Best Tigh End

[lumsdenpower]

I hate when all comentary said Crumpler,Gates,McMichael ect is the best TE of League...


Seriously..I will chose Shockey,Johnson,Witten,Clark,Heap...They are much athletic that the blacks..And THEY CANT BLOCK...TV describe Shockey like a player who make problem in team...He is a demonstrative player but he is WHITE..The black player can take a phone or sign a ball and throw it to the fans..But never we will talk about this guys in bad way..they said its just for boost her teammates..But when its a white player its not acceptable....


(make effort for read my mistakes..scuse me)I love to discuss whit inteligent people..

 

[jaxvid]

Good post lumsdenpower! I agree completely. Shockey is disliked because he is aggressive and they don't like that in a white athlete. And yes the white tight ends block much better.

Don't worry about your mistakes, we understand what you are saying and are glad that you take the time to come here.

 

[backrow]

well Crumpler is pretty athletic and good blocker, but i would take Heap. Witten, Shockey or even rookie Miller over him any day of the week and especially on Sunday

 

[right winger]

Heath Miller can be as good a receiving tight end as the Steelers allow him to be. He has great hands and knows how to move with the ball after the catch, and is very difficult for defenders to drag down because of his power.

 

[Guest]

it's definitely not crumpler or mcmichael. who would even bring them up?

it's either shockey, gonzalez, or gates. not sure which though. personally i prefer shockey, not because he's white, but because he's the only receiver that actually tries to run defenders over. that's exciting.

 

[white tornado]

Crumpler is one of the best TE. If he had another Qb other than Vick his numbers would be even better.

 

[White Shogun]

Crumpler is one of the best TE. If he had another Qb other than Vick his numbers would be even better.

No, he wouldn't, because if he had another QB besides Vick, that QB would throw more to his wide receivers instead of just the tight end. Crumpler's numbers would go down, not up, not necessarily because he is a poor TE. but because he wouldn't have 80% of all passes thrown during a game tossed his way, as it is now.

 

[Colonel Callan]

Good points White Shogun.

Shockey is one scary man. I mean that in a good way. I am not praising
him just because he's white either. He is fast, powerful, and not the least
bit intimidated by anyone on the field - especially blacks, whom I think
are actually frightened of him. Straight out of a Robert E. Howard novel,
this guy is. No fear at all. And all of these 'qualities' are why he doesn't
receive the recognition he should. A black tight end who played like
Shockey would receive heaps of praise from the controlled media. It
reminds me of the days of Todd Christensen who literally had claws when
it came to catching the ball, and the awesome Mark Bavaro. But who did I
seem to hear about the most? Well... I can tell you it wasn't any white TE.

 

[IceSpeed]

It is a rarity that the white players are poor
role models. They may do some things that most people have done a
little of, but they are not public about it. Jeremy Shockey is
much more public about his carousing than say Peyton Manning.
Shockey went to UMiami and played a lot. Usually they only play
blacks. Maybe Shcokey picked up a lot of stereotypically black
things at UMIAMI. Its not okay for a white to try to act like a
superior black.

 

[white tornado]

White shogun theIf Shaub started he still would throw toCrumpler alot because the only recever with hands is Fineren.I dont think his numbers would be that much betterbut i dont think they will go down. If Shaub started Finerians numbers would go up the most. By the way your right about vick looking his way 80% of the time.


Jeremy Shockey is one of my favorite players andI think he is the best tight end.He averageges about 56 yards per game receving second all time to Kellen Winslow, who averages about62. With Eli getting better and better his numbers will only go up.

 

[White Shogun]

White shogun the If Shaub started he still would throw to Crumpler alot because the only recever with hands is Fineren.

I used to think the same way, but I believe now that it is difficult, at best, for us to judge how good, or bad, any receiver is on the Falcons simply because they have no one to get them the ball on a consistent basis. Finneran has proven he can do the job over his career, but the others, well really there is no way of knowing. These guys take all the flack for Vick's lack of passing skill. I'd like to see them on another team before I judge to harshly. As an example, we will be able to observe how well Peerless Price performs as the 3rd receiver in Dallas, with Drew Bledsoe throwing the ball instead of Vick. Much better measure of a receiver there, in my opinion, than in Vicklanta.

 

[Don Wassall]

Vick has actually regressed as a passer. His best QB rating was 81.6 in '02, his first year as a starter. That year Brian Finneran led the Falcons with 838 receiving yardsthen was promptly demoted to backup for the next two seasons as one black receiver after another was trumpeted as better than the lowly "slow" white guy. Now Finneran has worked his way back to being the team's number one receiver, and has zero receptions in each of the past two games. In Matt Schaub's one start Finneran had 103 yards, almost half of his season total of 238.


I agree that there's no way to accurately judge how good Crumpler and any of the Falcons receivers are as long as a running back with primitive quarterbacking skills is throwing the ball.

 

[right winger]

Shockey is blocking a lot less and running routes a lot more, which is how he should always be used and which explains why his production has been so good.

 

[white tornado]

White Shogun Agree with you about judging the receivers for the falcons you cant tell how good or bad they realy are with Vick as Qb. Fineran though has the best hands.



Edited by: white tornado

 

[Uberberserker]

Well I am going to have to be the contrarian and actually admit that I think Tony Gonzalez is probably the best TE right now. The only reason he is not out there catching passes is because the Chiefs are keeping him in to block.

Having said all that Gonzalez has played for a number of years and I think he may be getting close to retiring so certainly the #2 guy (Shockey) is going to be the best TE in 2 or 3 years, with Eli Manning throwing to him he is going to get better and better! And even RIGHT NOW Shockey has the best Commercial, dude is totally Bosworthian, I almost wanted to buy that watch! LOL!!

 

[white lightning]

I thought we should mention Heath Miller of the Steelers.He is a rookie and is lighting it up every week.He just might get the rookie of the year as he is leading all rookies in touchdowns.He had two more last night against the Ravens.Miller was a star in college and is quickly becoming a star in the NFL.He is about to break E.Greens record for td's by a Steeler TE.Keep up the great work Heath!We just might have another Shockey,Heap,Clark type player.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Good observation whitelightning. I noticed Heath last night too. I think he has a great career ahead of him, and probably a top 5 in the league type career if he keeps it up.

 

[Kaptain]

Shockey is hands-down the most talented TE in the league. Nobody makes difficult catches in traffic or runs over defenders like he does. Last year they unexpicibly reduced his role in the passing game and had him blocking all the time. How stupid was that? What a difference a year makes.
I'm tired of hearing about how Tony G. and Gates are the best TE's in football. Gonzalez has always benefitted from being the focal point of a very good offense, but he just doesn't stack up physically to Shockey. Neither does Gates. Both these guys seem more like glorified WR's than TE.
I have to give an honorable mention to Heath Miller. He looks like he is force to be reackon with. He is physical and punishes defenders after he catches the ball just like Tights Ends should - like Shockey.

 

[White Shogun]

Do you mean these guys don't stack up physically in size, or style of play? Style of play, I agree. Shockey seems to have more of that stick-it-to-you attitude than the other two.

But he isn't any bigger physically in size.

Antonio Gates 6'4", 260
Tony Gonzales 6'6", 251
Jeremy Shockey 6'5", 253

I had to check this out. Gates looks big on the TV, and, well, he is.

Tony Gonzalez may have been the focal point of the Chiefs a few years ago, but today that team revolves around Priest Holmes.

Gates plays on the same team as Ladanian Tomlinson.

Neither Gates nor Gonzalez is the focal point of their respective offenses, and neither is Shockey. You can say though, that having such highpowered offenses with great running games ultimately benefits the TE because it opens up the passing game.

I think Shockey does more with less, although after watching the Giants and Tiki Barber dismantle the Redskins I'm not even sure that is entirely true.

 

[GreatLakeState]

Yeah, Antonio Gates isn't athletic ... of course, he was a
Division I college basketball star ...

 

[White Shogun]

Yeah, Antonio Gates isn't athletic ... of course, he was a Division I college basketball star ...

Hmm... I reread the entire thread and I didn't see where anyone said Gates isn't athletic. KP said he doesn't stack up physically with Shockey, which is not the same as saying he isn't athletic. Gates is obviously a good TE, the discussion is about who is the BEST tight end. The guys mentioned are all worthy of inclusion in the discussion: Gates, Gonzalez, Miller, Shockey, Crumpler et al.

 

[backrow]

yeah Gates did have a great game last week and Tony G just only caught his first TD pass of this season... but like i said Miller, Shockeyand Heap are the ones to root for in the future...

 

[Kaptain]

Do you mean these guys don't stack up physically in size, or style of play? Style of play, I agree. Shockey seems to have more of that stick-it-to-you attitude than the other two.

But he isn't any bigger physically in size.

Antonio Gates 6'4", 260
Tony Gonzales 6'6", 251
Jeremy Shockey 6'5", 253

I had to check this out. Gates looks big on the TV, and, well, he is.

Tony Gonzalez may have been the focal point of the Chiefs a few years ago, but today that team revolves around Priest Holmes.

Gates plays on the same team as Ladanian Tomlinson.

Neither Gates nor Gonzalez is the focal point of their respective offenses, and neither is Shockey. You can say though, that having such highpowered offenses with great running games ultimately benefits the TE because it opens up the passing game.

I think Shockey does more with less, although after watching the Giants and Tiki Barber dismantle the Redskins I'm not even sure that is entirely true.

WS, I wouldn't exactly say "style of play" is exactly what I meant as style implys a choice. All the top TE are roughly the same size but Shockey is stronger (not bigger)and has the ability to punish a defensive back and break tackles after a catch. He also seems to outbully a defender to the ball better than anyone. Of the little I've seen of Heath Miller he seems to have the same ability.
As far as Gates and Gonzalez not being the focal point because of their RB's, I was referring to the passing game which always benefits from a good running game. They are and have been the focal points of their teams passing game. Shockey has not been used like they have until this year.

 

[White Shogun]

Good points all, KP, I agree with your explanation in toto.

backrow, as far as Tony Gonzalez is concerned, yes he only caught his first TD pass THIS YEAR, but there is no doubt that he was, as KP pointed out, the focal point of the Chief's passing game in the past. I haven't seen enough Chief's games this year to assess the problem; is he not getting enough separation, has he slowed, is Trent Green looking at his other options first, I don't know. But the guy is a good tight end, be he black, white, or in this case, brown.

 

[Guest]

This year there would have to be three top canditates for best TE


Gates, Miller and Shockey.


Gates really has shown that he is a tremendous athlete. Great hands and great speed.


Miller - What a rookie! 6 TD catches - 2nd highest in league behind Steve Smith.


Shockey - Has really benefit from howE.Manning is throwing the ball. What an awsome talent. Although what is the deal with all the gay rumours? Fact or Fiction? I don't believe it. Apparently Kordell Stewart has been 'outed' finalythough

Other notables would have to include Chris Cooley and Heap. Heap made a fantastic circus catch against the Bears that gave me chills. So much talent.