Bert Sugar has died!

[white is right]

I know many posters on here think Sugar was a puppet for the party line on modern boxing, but he seemed more than fair on old time White boxers from the turn of the century, long after it was in vogue to talk up their accomplishments. I recall reading his first volume of the 100 greatest fighters and he had Dempsey as # 3 and said if (as of 1984?) all heavyweights were boiled down to 200 pounds Dempsey would probably win a heavyweight tournament. http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post/_/id/883/bert-sugar-one-of-a-kind-will-be-missed

 

[Westside]

Bert was pretty much a straight shooter, devoid of DWFdom and did not buy into the affeletic myths.

I remember meeting him back in 1994 in Vegas during the Panezia vs Duran fight. He could carry the bar. There would be dozens listening to him while every one got hammered. Great times.

Back then I got a feeling he had a couple of years to live. Mainly due to his continuous intoxicated state. Well, guess he enjoyed his time here.

Rest in Peace Bert.

 

[The Hock]

Bert Sugar with his trademark hat and cigar knew and appreciated boxing history and could sure spin a yarn. He seemed to really like his profession, which was basically being Bert Sugar. It's cool that you met him Westside.

 

[white is right]

Bert Sugar with his trademark hat and cigar knew and appreciated boxing history and could sure spin a yarn. He seemed to really like his profession, which was basically being Bert Sugar. It's cool that you met him Westside.

Yes he was a bar fly that knew how to market himself. I always thought he was Jewish from NYC, but he was Anglo-Saxon from the Washington D.C area. He also worked in advertising before he became the cultured barfly.......:scared: Anyway RIP!

 

[werewolf]

Yes he was a bar fly that knew how to market himself. I always thought he was Jewish from NYC.......

He was.

 

[Charles Martel]

Yes he was a bar fly that knew how to market himself. I always thought he was Jewish from NYC, but he was Anglo-Saxon from the Washington D.C area. He also worked in advertising before he became the cultured barfly.......:scared: Anyway RIP!

Actually, I've heard Bert Sugar mention his Jewish family background. He was from the Washington, DC area as you say, though.

 

[space hillbilly]

I'm sorry the man died but he was a lapdog for his media masters and said only what they wanted him too...

 

[Charles Martel]

Bert Sugar's unfair negativity toward good white boxers such as the Klitschkos, Joe Calzaghe and Gene Tunney won't be missed by me.

(he only liked Dempsey because he had some American Indian heritage and because he beat white HW champion Jess Williard, who beat one of his favorites Jack Johnson)

 

[werewolf]

Bert Sugar's constant hatred and discrediting of good white boxers such as the Klitschkos, Joe Calzaghe and Gene Tunney won't be missed by me.

(he only liked Dempsey because he had some American Indian heritage and because he beat white HW champion Jess Williard, who beat one of his favorites Jack Johnson)

Yep. He was born in Washington DC but he lived and worked in NYC, and his dumbed down and useless Ring magazine was part and parcel of the anti-white jewsmedia.

 

[werewolf]

"he only liked Dempsey because he had some American Indian heritage..."


And maybe this - tho my guess is Dempsey probably said this for the same reason Max Baer falsely wore the devil's foot (star of david) symbol on his trunks, namely claiming to be hebrew was a marketing gimmick at the time.

"In his autobiography, Dempsey states, "I am basically Irish, with Cherokee blood from both parents, plus a Jewish strain from my father's great-grandmother, Rachel Solomon"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jack_Dempsey

 

[Charles Martel]

Bert Sugar: The Dark Side of Boxing's Famous Historian

http://blogcritics.org/sports/article/bert-sugar-the-dark-side-of/#ixzz1qRrUNxOR

Of course, whenever someone dies, he’s always a “great guy.” People are never more two-faced than when giving praise to someone who’s no longer around to bother them, but in the midst of all the maudlin praise for recently deceased boxing historian and critic Bert Sugar, let me inject a note of reality.

The plain fact is that if you are a were a fan of the current heavyweight champion Klitschko brothers, Wladimir and Vitali, or of European heavyweights in general, Bert Sugar repeatedly made it clear that he was the enemy.

At the end of his career, Sugar increasingly seemed a cigar-chomping man out of time, a guy who couldn’t handle the fact that the African-American heavyweights he idolized while coming of age as a boxing scribe in the 1960s were no longer a dominant force in boxing’s marquee division.

 

[jaxvid]

That is one great article! Not insulting, not inflammatory, just cold hard truth.

 

[white is right]

That is one great article! Not insulting, not inflammatory, just cold hard truth.

I know his hatred for the K brothers was borderline pathological. The article is spot on, you could look at many of Larry Holmes defenses and Mormeck would have been better than half of the opponents. ESPN level fighters like Leroy Jones, Scott Frank and David Bey were routine title defenses. Aside from Mormeck Wlad hasn't stooped to that level of challenger since 06'.

 

[The Hock]

Okay, yeah, Bert Sugar was an A-hole, really. Especially when it came to the Klitchkos. So what. They're going down in history while Bert is going down the memory hole. I haven't been paying that much attention to him, or those other ass clown, for quite some time now anyway.

Still, he was a character. And is it not written, somewhere, that a cool hat and cigar covereth a multitude of sins?