ballon d'or

[Europe]

"i saw that there was one player or [COLOR=#009900 !important]coach[/COLOR] who voted for benzema
benzema ahead of messi and ronaldo! you'd have to be crazy
i looked up who it was, and was not really surprised when i saw that it was the french-born[COLOR=#009900 !important]algerian[/COLOR]international majid bougherra
this is tribalism"

I wish we would have more tribalism in a way. The problem is we have been brainwashed not to look after our own people and give our countries away to foreigners.


We have been taught to hate ourselves and feel guilty.

Do you have a link that shows who people voted for?

 

[Europe]

The awards have been handed out. As expected Messi won the Ballon d'Or. Best goal of the year went to Miroslav Stoch (a Slovakian) for this:

[video=youtube;6HTQ-VdQoCM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HTQ-VdQoCM[/video]

The voting:

Messi: 41.6%
Ronaldo: 23.7%
Iniesta: 10.9%

It was a good goal. What were the finalists.

 

[frederic38]

http://fr.fifa.com/mm/document/ball.../98/07/84/fboawardmenplayer2012-bycountry.pdf

this link should work, but on my computer for some reason PDF can't be opened this way so i had to dowload the list (right click on the link and "save")

i agree about tribalism, but on french forums usually when you talk about benzema,there are the die-hard benzema fans who won't accept any criticism and you just know that they are arabs, and you can't say it
it's frustrating

 

[frederic38]

the other goals are all here:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCGIzmTE4d0joasmC04lvMc55Uw2XnPZm

stoch scored many incredible goals last year:

[video=youtube_share;7oCV3viXTXs]http://youtu.be/7oCV3viXTXs[/video]

stoch also known as Mr great goals :icon_cool:

 

[Matra2]

i agree about tribalism, but on french forums usually when you talk about benzema,there are the die-hard benzema fans who won't accept any criticism and you just know that they are arabs, and you can't say it
it's frustrating

I thought Benzema was a Kabyle. I know in Algeria Kabyles and Arabs often don't get along. Lots of towns in Kabylia are practically independent ignoring all laws from the national government and it is well-known that Kabyles are mostly secular. (A lot of them are also kind of white). Perhaps in France Kabyles and Arabs put aside their differences and gang up on the French. I don't know.

BTW Frederic what are Alain Delon and Benzema talking about in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J20iEELgEtk

I can read French (slowly:icon_grin but I can't pick it up by ear.

(One of the YouTube commenters claims Benzema is not a Berber but from the Oranais region which is Arabised).

 

[frederic38]

I thought Benzema was a Kabyle. I know in Algeria Kabyles and Arabs often don't get along. Lots of towns in Kabylia are practically independent ignoring all laws from the national government and it is well-known that Kabyles are mostly secular. (A lot of them are also kind of white). Perhaps in France Kabyles and Arabs put aside their differences and gang up on the French. I don't know.

BTW Frederic what are Alain Delon and Benzema talking about in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J20iEELgEtk

I can read French (slowly:icon_grin but I can't pick it up by ear.

(One of the YouTube commenters claims Benzema is not a Berber but from the Oranais region which is Arabised).

alain delon says that benzema must not think about the comparisons with zidane, he'll never be zidane, but he'll be benzema
then he says that he doesn't know much about football but what he likes about benzema is that he seems to be ambitious
then they joke with him about a brazilian player named "allan dellon" because of him

benzema's father was a berber and his mother was indeed from oran and because of this, he never claims to be berber, he just feels algerian
in france the differences between the kabyles and the other algerians tend to decrease, they pretty much feel algerian above all
some are still proud of their berber heritage
for example i knew a kabyle who was pretty proud of being kabyle, his father and mother were not muslim at all and they gave their son a french name, the father used to drink a lot of alcohol (he was addicted), yet when my friend grew up he started refusing to eat pork
physically he was the typical kabyle, he had fair skin, black hair, and some strange facial features but looked white
i knew a blond kabyle but he looked black as far as facial features go (he was a kabyle from morocco)

 

[Matra2]

I finally saw the video of the Ballon d'Or award presentation. The guy on the radio who claimed Ronaldo behaved badly was wrong. He just made a disappointed facial expression and that's all. No big deal.

BTW Ronaldo is off to a great start in 2013. He scored a hat-trick in a Copa del Rey match this week and on the weekend twice against Real Sociedad in the league.

 

[itsme]

The FIFA world team of the year:

• Iker Casillas (Real Madrid)
• Dani Alves (Barcelona)
• Gerard Pique (Barcelona)
• Sergio Ramos (Real Madrid)
• Marcelo (Real Madrid)
• Andres Iniesta (Barcelona)
• Xabi Alonso (Real Madrid)
• Xavi (Barcelona)
• Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid)
• Radamel Falcao (Atletico Madrid)
• Lionel Messi (Barcelona

Two blacks - Alves and Marcelo, and one other non-white (I think) in Falcao. No Van Persie? Maybe he was hurt by Euro 2012.

BTW Messi needs some fashion advice:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/socce...-fourth-straight-ballon-d-193231728--sow.html

Apparently Ronaldo looked disgusted and angry when Messi's name was announced but I haven't seen any photos of his reaction yet.

That official "Fifa world team 2012" is a joke.:icon_lol: Dani Alves,Marcelo,Pique were crap and Pirlo was way better than Xabi Alonso.

This team looks more realistic. The most difficult choice was the left back since there isnt much quality there. Ashley Cole gets the nod here since Chelsea won the Champions League. You could even think about putting in Arturo Vidal instead of Xavi, he was brilliant for Juventus.

• Iker Casillas (Real Madrid)
• Phillip Lahm (Bayern)
• Thiago Silva (Paris)
• Mats Hummels (Dortmund)
• Ashley Cole (Chelsea)
• Andres Iniesta (Barcelona)
• Andrea Pirlo (Juventus)
• Xavi (Barcelona)
• Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid)
• Lionel Messi (Barcelona
• Robin Van Persie(Manchester United)/Franck Ribery(Bayern)

 

[frederic38]

• Iker Casillas (Real Madrid)
• Phillip Lahm (Bayern)
• Thiago Silva (Paris)
• Mats Hummels (Dortmund)
• Ashley Cole (Chelsea)
• Andres Iniesta (Barcelona)
• Andrea Pirlo (Juventus)
• Xavi (Barcelona)
• Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid)
• Lionel Messi (Barcelona
• Robin Van Persie(Manchester United)/Franck Ribery(Bayern)

why put thiago silva? he's said to be the best in the world in this position so he is always in that kind of team
let's put a player that won something last year: chellini from juventus went to the final of the euro champs , and won the italian league, or john terry
ashley cole has a serious contender with jordi alba, alba was very important in spain's victory at the euro champs (against france, he created the first goal , and then he scored in the final)
and i agree about the striker, i think that they could have put van persie, or maybe aguero for his season and his title-winning goal in the last seconds of the last game, instead of falcao

 

[ThePhilosopher]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned
Fernando Torres.

The True Deserving Man
Years from now, when our grandchildren read the records from 2012, they'll come upon the stats of a Premier League superstar who played in the best league in the universe, who scored the tie-winner in the Champions League semi-final, who won the Champions League, FA Cup and Euro 2012 , who scored a goal in the European Championships Final, and who finished as the tournament's top goal scorer.

Our grandchildren will then turn to us and ask: "How didn't that guy win the Ballon D'Or? Why didn't he even make the World XI? Surely he was at least as good as Ronaldo, let alone better than that Falcao fella?"

And then we'll have to explain how, back in 2012, we had players who won tons of trophies, but who were still Fernando Torres.

Source.

If Fernando Torres was a black,rest assured he'd have won the Ballon D'Or.The media would have told us that irrespective of Messi's and Ronaldo's exploits,one cannot ignore the fact that Torres has won so much...and the award would be handed to him.

 

[frederic38]

If Fernando Torres was a black,rest assured he'd have won the Ballon D'Or.The media would have told us that irrespective of Messi's and Ronaldo's exploits,one cannot ignore the fact that Torres has won so much...and the award would be handed to him.

very true, that's why i was afraid that drogba might win it this year
after the emotion of the champions league final, and all the propaganda in the french media (because drogba is kind of "french") i was 100% sure that he was going to win it
i'm glad that the other castefootball members, who are not french, reminded me that drogba wasn't that important in the champions league victory
i remember that after ramires' goal against barcelona in semi final, they showed drogba's face instead of ramires' on the french broadcast, they were obsessed with him
they showed his face llike he scored that goal (ramires scored it on a perfect pass by lampard)

 

[ThePhilosopher]

very true, that's why i was afraid that drogba might win it this year
after the emotion of the champions league final

That is indeed a scary thought....a black being declared the best footballer on the planet!

i remember that after ramires' goal against barcelona in semi final, they showed drogba's face instead of ramires' on the french broadcast, they were obsessed with him

That is ridiculous^:censored:....who is the Drogba-loving(ugh!) homosexual who did that?In fact Drogba nearly lost them the tie by conceding a stupid penalty.

(ramires scored it on a perfect pass by lampard)

Yep,Fat Frank stole the ball off Messi on the half-way line and set Ramires about...I'd say Lampard was the most integral part of that team,along with Cech.

 

[frederic38]

i also saw weah play in france, with marseille late in his career
i looked him up then because i know how bad the african players are and i wanted to know how he managed to win the ballon d'or
i was not really surprised to see that it was an obvious case of affirmative action
weah's ballon d'or was a combination of 2 things:

1)no clear favourite for the award
that year, there was no world cup, and no euro champs, no african cup of nations either
-in italy: ac milan reached the final of the champions league with an excellent paolo maldini, but they lost it and finished only 4th of the italian league
batistuta was the top scorer of the league but unfortunately his team (fiorentina) didn't have good enough results
-in germany: dortmund (with sammer) reached the semi final of the champions league, but they finished obly 6th of the german league
-in spain: real madrid won the league with zamorano being the top scorer and laudrup the best player, but they did nothing in champions league
-in premiere league: the big names weren't successful, and blackburn surprisingly won the league, with an incredible alan shearer (34 goals)
-ajax won the champions league, but it was with a very young team, and they don't give the ballon d'or to young players
litmanen was only 23 years old for example

2)the context
the amount of foreign players in europe was increasing, and there was a lot of talk about allowing more foreign players in european clubs
the very famous bosman ruling (which allowed the european clubs to have as many foreign players as they wanted) was adopted that year, just before they gave the award to weah...
as a consequence, the rule changed for the ballon d'or award that year, for the first time the award was for the best payer - of any nationality - in europe, while before it was for the best european player
it was obvious that they were going to give the award to a non-european player (because romario didn't won it for being brazilian, while he dominated european football the year before)
the best non-europeans were the chilean zamorano with real madrid, and the argentine batistuta for fiorentina
but they were not africans

let's have a look at weah's season that year:
weah played in the french league, for PSG
that year, he had the worst season in his career
he scored only 7 goals in the french league, his team mates ginola and rai scored much more than him and they were middlefielders, he scored 1 goal every 384 minutes, which is very very bad
he scored 7 goals in champions league, but 5 out of these 7 goals were scored in the group stages, 4 against spartak moscow and dynamo kiev
he didn't score in the second leg of the quarter finals, and he didn't score in the semi finals either

the ballon d'or is awarded at the half of the season, so we must also take into account his start of the season with his new club, ac milan: 6 goals in 14 matches in serie A, and 3 goals in 5 matches in champiosn league, agaisnt a bad polish club and a czech club

overall, his stats for this year (taking into account the start of the season with ac milan) are 1 goal every 275 minutes, which is pretty bad
he didn't win any major title either, since PSG didn't won the champions league, and nantes won the french league

so it's fair to say that, as expected, weah's ballon d'or was the least deserved in history, he only won it because he was african and so he became the first african to ever win the award (and the only one so far)

here's what was written in france football (the ones who awarded the ballon d'or) when they gave it to georges weah:

Il profita tout à la fois de la baisse de régime passagère, voire du déclin, de quelques personnalités extrêmement fortes et. de ses propres coups d'éclat sous les maillots du Paris-SG et du Milan AC. Mais il n'est pas interdit de penser que, de façon inconsciente, l'esprit de la réforme ait pu aussi peser dans le verdict de quelques jurés.

http://www.francefootball.fr/Ballon_Or_2012/bo_1995.php

translation: he took advantage of the decay of big players, and the change of the rules of the award probably influenced the jury (that's what i said in my first post, weah is the only african to have won the ballon d'or award but he won it because france football just changed the rules, the award could be given to non-european players for the first time, so france football wanted to give it to a non-european - the chilean zamorano could have won the award since he was the top scorer of the spanish league with real madrid or the argentine batistuta who was incredible with firoentina in italy, but they looked too european)

 

[frederic38]

i want to write an article for the home page about georges weah's ballon d'or, then i would post it on the "bigsoccer" forum, like we did for the pelé article
could somebody put the article that i would write in perfect english?

 

[frederic38]

zidane's ballon d'or in 1998 is a joke, it's because they had to give it to one of the players that won the world cup that year, and france had no offensive player that had an impact, they won with a lot of luck and they played really defensively
zidane did nothing in this tournament, nothing, except his 2 goals vs brazil in the final, but frank leboeuf could have scored these goals, they were just headers on corner kicks
he got a dumb red card in the group stages, so he was suspended for the 8th of finals match vs paraguay (1-0 after extra time)
he played against italy in quarter finals but the italians knew him perfectly and there was always 2 italians defending on him, so he didn't do anything (0-0 and france won in the penalty kicks)
in semi final he did nothing either, against croatia, and in final either
he was also non-existant in 2000 when france won the euro champs
zidane's best world cup was in 2006
he might be good enough to deserve the golden ball, but absolutely not in 1998

i found this quote by juventus owner agnelli about zidane's spell with juventus (he won the ballon d'or while he played for juventus):

"Zidane is more entertaining than useful, even if he did score two goals during the World Cup final against Brazil," Agnelli told Gazzetta dello Sport.

Referring to Zidane's debut with Juve in 1996, Agnelli said: "When I saw him (Zidane) for the first time, he played very badly.
"I asked Michel Platini, 'Who did you send us?' And he answered, 'Don't worry he will amuse you.' And he was right."

note: the last phrase "and he was right" is ironic

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/1443845.stm

by the way someone already answered my question in the last post by PM, so i have someone to translate and correct my article about weah when i'll write it

 

[frederic38]

ribery won the "UEFA Club Footballer of the Year" award:

[video=youtube_share;6cBwf9vDNJY]http://youtu.be/6cBwf9vDNJY[/video]

he could win the ballon d'or award
messi and cristiano ronaldo can win it too
with the old way of voting , ribery would have won the ballon d'or award, but now it might be messi another time

ribery is not the most likeable person, but it would be great if he could win the ballon d'or, and it's great that he's in the mix to win it
because remember that ribery was an amateur player until 22 years old, and he should have never been a professional player because he was refused in lille's youth squads for being too small (like many white players)
now his biggest weapon is his incredible physique
he might be the most physical player in today's soccer, he's a freak
i heard coaches say that he has unreal result in physical tests

anyway, the ballon d'or is a story between whites once again :yo:

 

[frederic38]

the list for the ballon d'or has been announced:

Gareth Bale, Edinson Cavani, Radamel Falcao, Eden Hazard, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Andrés Iniesta, Philipp Lahm, Robert Lewandowski, Lionel Messi, Thomas Müller, Neymar, Manuel Neuer, Mesut Özil, Andrea Pirlo, Franck Ribéry, Arjen Robben, Cristiano Ronaldo, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Luis Suarez, Thiago Silva, Yaya Touré, Robin van Persie, Xavi

white europeans (except the turk ozil), a few south american mestizos + lionel messi, and 1 african (yaya touré)

 

[ThePhilosopher]

the list for the ballon d'or has been announced:

Gareth Bale, Edinson Cavani, Radamel Falcao, Eden Hazard, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Andrés Iniesta, Philipp Lahm, Robert Lewandowski, Lionel Messi, Thomas Müller, Neymar, Manuel Neuer, Mesut Özil, Andrea Pirlo, Franck Ribéry, Arjen Robben, Cristiano Ronaldo, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Luis Suarez, Thiago Silva, Yaya Touré, Robin van Persie, Xavi

white europeans (except the turk ozil), a few south american mestizos + lionel messi, and 1 african (yaya touré)

The Afro is there for quota reasons(last time around it was balotelli,right?).I'll be mad if Ribery wins it,my dislike of muslims is only trumped by the special hatred reserved for jews.

Finally,I feel Schweinsteiger deserves it.

 

[itsme]

I don't like Ribery but he should win it. He was the "brain" of a brilliant Bayern team that destroyed everything in europe/germany. Messi scored a lot of goals but in the end Barcelona only won the league title.

 

[ThePhilosopher]

He was the "brain" of a brilliant Bayern team that destroyed everything in europe/germany.

That was Bastian Schweinsteiger,I feel.:ranger:

Remember Arsenal beating Bayern Munich at the Allianz arena?Bastian Schweinsteiger was greatly missed that day.Oh,I do know that even Ribery didn't play that day either.

 

[frederic38]

That was Bastian Schweinsteiger,I feel.:ranger:

Remember Arsenal beating Bayern Munich at the Allianz arena?Bastian Schweinsteiger was greatly missed that day.Oh,I do know that even Ribery didn't play that day either.

i'm not really sure if he is the most influential player in bayern munchen either
i've been wondering that for the past 1 or 2 years, like a lot of people in france, we don't really know if our vision is biased by the fact that ribery is french
anyways, i don't like him but if he does get the ballon d'or it would be incredible because he was a player victim of anti-white discrimination and should have never turned professional

 

[ThePhilosopher]

would be incredible because he was a player victim of anti-white discrimination and should have never turned professional

Ribery is the epitome of an anti-white.
The jewish,black scum had no choice.



This creature did.So let me tell you if he could somehow purge himself of his own whiteness and become a nondescript yellowish-brown mongrel like the creature he choose to lay with.....he wouldn't wait a nanosecond to do it.

 

[ThePhilosopher]

i'm not really sure if he is the most influential player in bayern munchen either

Of course,statistics are not everything,but Ribery's statistics are not the best.He had a goal,2 assists in the champions league last year.
Robben had 4 goals,2 assists in 4 fewer appearances.

Menez is the better French winger anyway.

 

[frederic38]

Ribery is the epitome of an anti-white.
The jewish,black scum had no choice.



This creature did.So let me tell you if he could somehow purge himself of his own whiteness and become a nondescript yellowish-brown mongrel like the creature he choose to lay with.....he wouldn't wait a nanosecond to do it.

very true
but did ribery have the choice too?
think about it
in europe and in france slavery has always existed
it's purpose was not to make money (like the slavery in the US or in french oversea departments) but to help people who couldn't live freely, because they didn't have the ability to be free
it's obvious that ribery is not very bright
he can barely talk, read or write
so let's not blame him too much
it's our fault for giving him a false sense of liberty

 

[frederic38]

so theu gave it to ronaldo
it seems like the most logical thing with today's rules

ronaldo jumping and benzema looking:

[video=youtube_share;6JZoRUzB2Bw]http://youtu.be/6JZoRUzB2Bw[/video]

ronaldo the most athletic player