Ali Turns 65!!!!!!!!

Don Wassall

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Today is a huge event for the Caste System media. Muhammad Ali turns 65. Those of us old enough to remember the 1960s know that Ali was perhaps the most hyped athlete ever.


The substitute todayon Dan Patrick's radio show said how Ali "reinvented himself," going from being widely disliked to one of the system's leading secular gods. In reality, Ali never changed --this country did, thanks toa top-down Cultural Marxist revolution that has become permanent and institutionalized.


When Cassius Clay became Muhammad Ali the Muslim who refused to be inducted into the military, there was still a large number of red-blooded Americans left who intensely disliked him, along withhis penchant for showboating and constantly shooting off his mouth. The media was in the throes of rapid change, however, and by the time Ali got out of prison and began fighting again, the deification campaign began in earnest.


Ali is a low-IQ (reportedly 80) character who, with his uninhibited, semi-clever infantile personality,was the perfect tool for the Cultural Marxists in their revolutionary efforts to degrade whites and "empower" blacksby glorifyingtheir dysfunctional behaviors, and of course encouraging anti-white attitudes and actions.


The media has already been in full retro Ali-worship modefor the past few months. He's probably the system's most revered living black. Will a national holiday be declared in his honor following his death?


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I remember something I read after Ali won the title for the third time by beating Leon Spinks in their rematch in September 1978. Ali had lost to Spinks in February of that year.

He got more gushing praise at that time than probably any prizefighter in history. Around that time, I read that Ali was in line for some big endorsement deals, Toyotas in particular, as I recall.

However, it didn't happen. When advertisers took surveys, they found that Ali had a higher negative rating than any athlete. They were shocked to find that Muhammad Ali, the "most popular human being on the planet," had an enormous negative reaction among the majority of the American public. So most of the endorsement deals never came off.

There was one endorsement by Ali that you used to see all the time. Anyone remember those roach spray commercials he used to do? This is an item that blacks need. The only real endorsements Ali could do was with a product used heavily by black folks.

Don is right. It's America that has changed.
 

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Ali is a low-IQ (reportedly 80) character who, with his uninhibited, semi-clever infantile personality, was the perfect tool for the Cultural Marxists in their revolutionary efforts to degrade whites and "empower" blacks by glorifying their dysfunctional behaviors, and of course encouraging anti-white attitudes and actions.

It's amazing that a few schoolyard rhymes elevated this bozo to poet laureate status.

Draft-dodger, racist, dedicated follower of the ludicrous Black Muslim religion, supreme egotist--he's a genuine symbol of America's steady decline since about 1958.
 
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The caste system loves to talk about how he defied the draft and spoke out against the war. they make it sound like one of those profiles in courage.

It has recently been revealed that due to his low IQ, the army didn't want him. They had no place to put him.

I have yet to find a white person (outside of sports) who has anything good to say about Cassius Clay. Liar, Hypocrate, coward.
 

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He was illiterate too. And he had something like 20 kids by god knows how
many women. Great role model. His "rope-a dope" strategy only worked
because George Foreman was even dumber than he was.

I would recommend seeing the documentary "When We Were Kings" about
the Ali-Foreman fight in Africa. The late grandpappy of soul, James Brown,
is in it, making racist statements about white people and how they can't play
music or sing. Its a real eye-opener.
 

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The promotion and fraudulent career of Clay/Ali is one of the primary reasons we live in Don King's America today. This imbecilic clown single handedly laid the foundation for the horrendous behavior we see from virtually EVERY black athlete today (and many non-athletes as well). The obvious theatrics, the infantile ryhmes and the obnoxious bragging of Clay/Ali are now considered "normal" behavior by everyone from white Civics professors to hardened black criminals. Modern sports, and modern society in general, was transformed tremendously by him. All of us here at this web site know that was not a good thing. Clay/Ali was the perfect tool for those who conspired to transform our world into a cultural nightmare. To paraphrase Voltaire; if Ali had not existed, it would have been necessary to invent him.
 

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PitBull said:
HeBill Polian
The late grandpappy of soul, James Brown,
is in it, making racist statements about white people and how they can't play
music or sing. Its a real eye-opener.


What the hell did James Brown know about singing? All he ever did was grunt, groan, screech and shout.
 

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Don,

I don't think Clay/Ali every went to prison. He was banned from boxing while all the legal proceedures were
being gone through.

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And to think the media personality that promoted him most was Howard Cosell. What a surprise. I can figure out their connection.
 

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was Cosell jewish??? he certainly looked it but I was never for sure...
 

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Tom Iron said:
Don,

I don't think Clay/Ali every went to prison. He was banned from boxing while all the legal proceedures were
being gone through.

Tom Iron...


You're right, Tom. He was sentenced to five years for draft evasion but never served a day, and the Supreme Court eventually reversed the conviction against him.
 
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Cosell was jewish.
 

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ESPN has been showing Ali's fights over and over. One thing I noticed is that Clay was knocked down by Sonny Banks and Henry Cooper, was given a gift win over Doug Jones[the fans boo loudly] and the fight with Billy Daniels was stopped to early[again the fans boo loudly]. Most of Ali's fights were with skinny weak looking "heavyweights" who by todays standards would be way to small. The early 1960's seems to be a very weak time for heavyweight boxing-Sonny Liston was 6'1 215 or the same size as Chris Bryd. Floyd Patterson was 5'11 190 and even the guys who were considered big like Cleveland Williams,Eddie Machen,Zora Folley,Ernie Terrell were less then 210 and not real powerful.Vitali at 6'8 250 would murder these clowns. These Russian heavyweights of today would be way to big and strong for these skinny colored boys of the 1960's. Ali was over rated by the press because the civil rights movement needed a not to bright guy to hype brfore the American public. Had there been no Iron Curtain there would have been no Ali because some powerful Russian would do to him what they have done to Mercer, Bryd, Peter, Rahman, Brewster, Brock and the rest of these bums fighting now!
 

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Ali was quick, handled pressure well and had a great chin. But he would have lost to Marciano and been destroyed by the Klitschko Bros.
 

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Gary said:
ESPN has been showing Ali's fights over and over. One thing I noticed is that Clay was knocked down by Sonny Banks and Henry Cooper, was given a gift win over Doug Jones[the fans boo loudly] and the fight with Billy Daniels was stopped to early[again the fans boo loudly].

That's interesting that there were controversial decisions even in his "glory years." I'll have to look at some of these clips. Always good to see him knocked down.

Also, were Doug Jones and Billy Daniels white?

Also, I'm told that Ali's victory over Jimmy Young was a bad call.Does anyone remember or have info on that fight?
 
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Doug Jones and Billy Daniels were black. Jones was a 188 pound blown-up light heavy, and wasn't successful as a heavyweight, but took the then Cassius Clay to a close decision.

Ali's win over Jimmy Young was considered a gift decision, but Young was very defensive. At times during their fight, Young would lean through the ropes out of the ring. Ali had to chase Jimmy Young, which wasn't his usual style. The consensus was that Young may have outpointed Ali, but he didn't do enough to beat a "Great Champion."
 

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I believe Ali defeated a white Argentinian with questionable officiating. I wonder how many of his fights were fixed? Liston certainly was.
 

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Does anyone remember a fight early in Ali's career where his opponent was knocked out bywhat came to be known as the"phantom punch," so-called because it seemed that the opponent wasn't even hit yet still went down for the count? There is a black and white film of it, from one angle only, which seems to verify that he wasn't hit. I can't remember much more about it other than it's pointed to when the topic of fixed fights is brought up.
 

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Ali Liston II is the fight. I can never tell how hard the punch landed or if it did. Liston was owned by the mafia so he might have been told to lay down on the rematch. Also nobody ever knew how old Sonny was. He was supposedly about 33 for the rematch but looked more like 40. Since Liston had little formal schooling and had no birth certificate nobody knew about his background beyond his lengthy juvenile and adult record........
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Yes Don, I remember that. I'll elaborate a little more on that punch from what white is right said.

It is said that the first fight fight in Lewiston Maine I think was fixed and Liston was supposed to go down. The fight was going on and Liston was making it look good. About the 6th or seventh round, Angelo Dundee went over to Liston's corner and spoke to Liston's people. At that time, Liston refused to answer the bell. The story is that Ali didn't know the fix was in and wanted to quit, thus Dundee's going over to Liston's corner. They made up a story about Liston's shoulder being separated I think (never verified by any doctor)and he didn't answer the bell while Dundee pushed Ali out into the ring.

The second fight, Liston didn't lake any chances and went down without being hit.

Not long after, Liston was dead. In those days, the Mafia weren't the clowns that they are today.

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Don Wassall said:
Does anyone remember a fight early in Ali's career where his opponent was knocked out by what came to be known as the "phantom punch," so-called because it seemed that the opponent wasn't even hit yet still went down for the count?  There is a black and white film of it, from one angle only, which seems to verify that he wasn't hit.  I can't remember much more about it other than it's pointed to when the topic of fixed fights is brought up. 

That was the second Liston fight. I saw it replayed. Liston had a great chin, but barely got hit if at all by Ali and was knocked out in the first round. Liston was a terrible actor. The ref even seemed to be in on the whole thing. According to ringside observers Ali stood over liston (famous photo) and screamed "get up their never going to believe this" or something to that effect. The ref was hesitant in starting his count and was trying to send ali to his corner. Liston put on a professional wrestling type of performance - obviously faked. Liston was on the ground for awhile but didn't realize in the ruckous that the ref had not yet counted to ten. He got up before ten. The ref didn't know exactly what to do and almost restarted the fight before calling it off - though Liston appeared fine.

The crowd recognized the hoax, threw trash, and jeered Ali. Ali in returned in true childish manner teased the crowd. Everyone in the arena knew it was a hoax and you would too if you saw it. I was laughing it was so bad.
 
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Yes, the Argentine was Bonavena. This bout came just before Ali-Frazier I.

I heard Clay-Liston I on the radio in February 1964 at age 13. The funny thing is that many people were rooting for Sonny Liston. Clay's act had already worn thin even before he announced that he was a Muslim.

In the first fight, Liston didn't answer the bell for Round 7. I recall Howard Cosell screaming over the radio, "He's not coming out!!! Sonny's not coming out!!!"

As far as it goes, the fight was legitimate. Sonny underestimated Clay and ran out of gas. Films of the fight show Clay outspeeding Liston in the first three rounds. In Round 4, some linament that Liston's trainers put on him had gotten into Clay's eyes. Clay was visibly distressed.

Angelo Dundee had to push Clay into the ring for Round 5. Another 10 seconds, and the referee might well have awarded the fight to Liston! By the 6th, Clay's eyes were clear and he started cleaning up on Sonny.

There was no reason for Sonny and his handlers to throw the first fight. The mob didn't have any influence with Clay, obviously.

The rematch was scheduled for November 1964. The newly named Muhammad Ali had a hernia operation, so the second fight ended up in Lewiston Maine in the Spring of 1965. Believe it or not, Liston was favored, which accounted for some of the feelings over what happened.

In those days, the Muslims were more visible in Ali's entourage than in later years. Malcolm X had been killed a few months earlier. the killers were of the Muslim sect that Ali had joined. Some thought that Malcolm X followers might actually shoot Ali in the ring.

I saw a documentary on Sonny Liston some years ago, that this news reached Sonny's ears, causing him to go down early. For whatever reason, Liston had no desire to fight that night. He was disappointed that he didn't get Joe Louis-style adulation as champion, and probably just went down out of disgust.
 
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Liston was owned by the Italian mob. he worked as muscle for them before he became a boxer.

The cause of his death is a mystery. His body has found days after his death. Unsolved mtsteries had a segment of this.
 
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