Acupuncture was first used in Europe, not China.

[space hillbilly]

Otzi "The ice man" the worlds oldest mummy has many researchers convinced that Europeans were using an early form of acupuncture 2000 years before the Chinese.

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[DWFan]

Anybody here used this? Always wonder if there's anything to it.

 

[jaxvid]

Anybody here used this? Always wonder if there's anything to it.

Yes, and make sure you combine the treatment with crystals, candles and aroma therapy. Never use any logic or science when treating human illness.

 

[space hillbilly]

Anybody here used this? Always wonder if there's anything to it.

Yes, and make sure you combine the treatment with crystals, candles and aroma therapy. Never use any logic or science when treating human illness.

Yes our science and logic has done a great job over the past 100 years at curing cancer and the common cold.

 

[jaxvid]

Anybody here used this? Always wonder if there's anything to it.

Yes, and make sure you combine the treatment with crystals, candles and aroma therapy. Never use any logic or science when treating human illness.

Yes our science and logic has done a great job over the past 100 years at curing cancer and the common cold.

Plenty of cancers are cured by science, ever hear of non-Hogkins Lymphoma? I think the record of chemo and surgery in treating and extending life is a little better then sticking needles into your skin.

As for curing the common cold, I bet it's a scientist that comes up with that before an old chinese herbalogist.

Anyway I tried it once, it was some of the stupidist sh*t I have ever seen, I thought it was ridiculous and amatuerish, did nothing for the condition I went to treat, and was ridiculously expensive (considering there is no standard medical coverage for it.). But it may work great for you. Hell, somebody must get something out of it, if not no one would ever go back.

 

[j41181]

I think it's a matter of the mind set. If it makes you feel good, gives you hope, one can overcome any kind of illness. Regardless of what kind of treatment.

The practice of using medical herbs is NOT a Chinese or Eastern thing. In the West (Europe), as far back as the Stone Age period, medicinal herbs were used for all sorts of purposes like weapons, rituals, treating various illnesses, etc..

 

[jaxvid]

You're referring to the "placebo" effect. The idea that if someone thinks the cure is effective it will be. In that case then it is actually the mind making the body cure itself so the treatment itself has no real benefits. The medical industry is well aware of this effect and they do a lot of testing on it. Which is why acupuncture is considered useless except amongst a stubborn group of PC thinkers.

Concerning "medical herbs", the way I see it is if a "herb" helps treat some condition then it is because of a chemical in the plant. If thats true then refining the chemical out through a commercial process should work even better.

And if it did then someone would do it and make money off of it. I know a lot of people think that there is some conspiracy amongst the medical industry to keep people sick but those 'evil' people are also greedy bastards and would rush to make a product that would sell.

The libertarian in me however would freely grant anyone the right to try whatever they think helps. As Frank Sinatra used to say, "I'm for anything that gets you through the night, be it prayer, tranquilizers, or a bottle of Jack Daniels. "

 

[space hillbilly]

I think it's a matter of the mind set. If it makes you feel good, gives you hope, one can overcome any kind of illness. Regardless of what kind of treatment.

The practice of using medical herbs is NOT a Chinese or Eastern thing. In the West (Europe), as far back as the Stone Age period, medicinal herbs were used for all sorts of purposes like weapons, rituals, treating various illnesses, etc..

Even today most of our drugs comes from plants, like pain killers. And unlike the Chinese, the icemen actually had somthing put into the skin.
It may have been the sap of an herb mixed with ash much like a time released pain killer or anti-inflammatory.. And over 2000 years it made its way east and became the "Pin Cushion" ideal of the Chinese.....

 

[j41181]

I think it's a matter of the mind set. If it makes you feel good, gives you hope, one can overcome any kind of illness. Regardless of what kind of treatment. The practice of using medical herbs is NOT a Chinese or Eastern thing. In the West (Europe), as far back as the Stone Age period, medicinal herbs were used for all sorts of purposes like weapons, rituals, treating various illnesses, etc..

Even today most of our drugs comes from plants, like pain killers. And unlike the Chinese, the icemen actually had somthing put into the skin.
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I once saw a documentary about Alexander the Great's final days, and the herb (I forget) used to treat his battered condition was a poisonous one in large doses. It was applied to him by either sipping it by soup, or applied straight to his wounds like ointment. While, it may support the poison theory, it was Alexander himself who gave the order, a risky gamble to heal quickly which led to his death.

 

[j41181]

Acupuncture is (to me) more like a form of meditation, to get in tune with one's "inner self". Kinda like lying on a bed of nails, having your back pierced to hang on a wire, dipping in cold sub zero water, and of the like. A test of will and endurance, it's NOT really a Chinese/Eastern thing. Body Piercing is as old as humanity itself.

 

[Alpha Male]

I've tried it once when going in for a sports massage. It put me in a deep, meditative sleep. I'd say give it a try. Chiropractory was considered quackery until the medical community recognized its health benefits. Acupuncture may not be far away in that regard.<?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" />