2016 Outdoor Track Season

[fernchris55]

I've always noted both for their relatively long torso to leg length. Great gearing for starts and initial acceleration perhaps but "white man's curse" for finishing speed?
Fortunately this generalization doesn't apply across the board.

Any thoughts on this out there?

Yes. Biophysics has an ideal anatomical model that an engineer would use as the blue print for a sprinter. Other systems involving efficient energy use also would be incorporated in the design of the ultimate sprinter. The Kiltys, Teeters, and Reus's are as you described at a disadvantage lever-wise in the 100 meters +, but are built for 60 meters. That's not a White man curse, it's just what their (them not all whites) optimal for. Those guys would be a terror if they were good at soccer or rugby and American football as punt & kick returners, slot back 3rd-down receivers or Wes Walkers with turbo-overdrive. They are not "top-end speed" world class sprinters. If and when they break 10.00 it will be with very good "conditions." I've said it before and I'll repeat it the guys who we need to see are the tall long-legged to torso proportions with long lower-leg length. Real world models are Lemaitre-Guliyev's with the best support possible. Dave Sime, 1960 silver medalist, recently passed and was a template of a White guy with the attributes to be a 9.80 sprinter on today's track surfaces, shoes, advanced training science, and financial support. 6-4 and built like a greyhound not a short squat fire-plug.

Dave Sime right side. Peter Radford on left won 100 meter bronze in Rome 1960.

 

[elispeedster]

Yes. Biophysics has an ideal anatomical model that an engineer would use as the blue print for a sprinter. Other systems involving efficient energy use also would be incorporated in the design of the ultimate sprinter. The Kiltys, Teeters, and Reus's are as you described at a disadvantage lever-wise in the 100 meters +, but are built for 60 meters. That's not a White man curse, it's just what their optimal for. Those guys would be a terror if they were good at soccer or rugby and American football as punt & kick returners, slot back 3rd-down receivers or Wes Walkers with turbo-overdrive. They are not "top-end speed" world class sprinters. If and when they break 10.00 it will be with very good "conditions." I've said it before and I'll repeat it the guys who we need to see are the tall long-legged to torso proportions with long lower-leg length. Real world models are Lemaitre-Guliyev's with the best support possible. Dave Sime, 1960 silver medalist, recently passed and was a template of a White guy with the attributes to be a 9.80 sprinter on today's track surfaces, shoes, advanced training science, and financial support. 6-4 and built like a greyhound not a short squat fire-plug.

Dave Sime right side. Peter Radford on left won 100 meter bronze in Rome 1960.
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Dave Sime is Christian McCaffery's (the Stanford RB) Grandfather (his Mom's dad)...thats were he gets his speed from.

 

[Vanilla_Sky]

Reus has the highest upside of all the sprinters mentioned. Truthfully I cannot imagine Kilty running sub 10 without perfect conditions, even then I do not believe he will ever be a consistent threat. He has proven this with his inconsistency over the 100m. If he was an American he probably wouldn't even be receiving funding right now.

Reus I firmly believe has the ability to be a 9.95 sprinter. He has the consistency behind him and is a beautiful technician. In some regards he is reminiscent of Maurice Green in body structure and technique. In fact he is the fastest white sprinter this year with both his 10.03 and 10.06.

 

[white lightning]

Reus has the highest upside of all the sprinters mentioned. Truthfully I cannot imagine Kilty running sub 10 without perfect conditions, even then I do not believe he will ever be a consistent threat. He has proven this with his inconsistency over the 100m. If he was an American he probably wouldn't even be receiving funding right now.

Reus I firmly believe has the ability to be a 9.95 sprinter. He has the consistency behind him and is a beautiful technician. In some regards he is reminiscent of Maurice Green in body structure and technique. In fact he is the fastest white sprinter this year with both his 10.03 and 10.06.

Julian Reus is also clean. He is one of the biggest guys supporting lifetime bans for ped use. I guarantee this kid
doesn't do them. Reus has said countless times that the winners of the olympics and world champs are mostly if
not all cheaters. This kid is a breath of fresh air in a sport tainted with drug use. Most sports are like that these days.

 

[limitless]

 

[trackster]

Interesting results from the young runners in Mannheim:

Jack Hale, the stupendous teenager from Aus, smoked a wind-legal 10.21 in the heats. He has a 1998 birthday, not sure if he's even 18 yet. He also won the final in 10.38 with an adverse wind.

Young Englishman Oliver Bromby finished second behind Hale.

In the 200, Hari lost to young German Roger Gurski, 1997 birthday, who ran 20.78 (quite good for a teenager). He's worth researching.

Jack Hale is the story, though. As he is every year now. Sooner or later, he replaces Christophe as the only guy everyone talks about. Sadly, the American Jack Hale--long sprinter Zach Shinnick--had his season ruined by injury this year, but once he recovers we'll be talking about him, too.

 

[jacknyc]

Filippo Tortu, another youngster, may be the best of the new crop of sprinters. He won the Italian National Championships in 10.32 (-1.3w). He too was born in 1998.

Matteo Galvin won the 400m in 45.12. I had big hopes for him several years ago, but he faded away. Now he seems to have made a solid return.

 

[lactatking]

Dave Sime right side. Peter Radford on left won 100 meter bronze in Rome 1960.
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I think, on the left is Martin Lauer

 

[fernchris55]

I think, on the left is Martin Lauer

Yes you are correct. The U.S. had seemingly won the 4 x 100 relay Gold (Rome 1960) but were disqualified for a lane or baton exchange violation giving the Gold to Germany. Martin Lauer anchored the German unit (last unified squad till the collapse of East Germany) after he'd won The Gold in the 110 meter hurdles.

There's Peter Radford on the right with Dave Sime on the left, silver medalist and center Armin Hary, Gold medalist.
Last time White sprinters "dominated."

 

[trackster]

Filippo Tortu, another youngster, may be the best of the new crop of sprinters. He won the Italian National Championships in 10.32 (-1.3w). He too was born in 1998.

Matteo Galvin won the 400m in 45.12. I had big hopes for him several years ago, but he faded away. Now he seems to have made a solid return.

Thanks, Jack. I'd forgotten about Tortu.


Videos of both:
Two races by Hale this weekend, one is a wet track:
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/athleti...alian-100m-junior-record-20160626-gps1tz.html
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-26/jack-hale-breaks-australian-u20-sprint-recored/7544566

Tortu also on a wet track. This video has a slow-mo. He looks more polished than Hale, but both look like they have a lot of growing to do:

 

[white lightning]

So there is alot of hope for the future. In the 100 we have Hale, Tortu and Harri. There are
many others but these guys have to have the best chance to succeed in my opinion.

 

[jacknyc]

Thanks for the videos.
Tortu looks very smooth and relaxed. Beautiful form.
Hale looks a bit wild, but that's something he can work on.

I wish we were also talking about Curtis Godin who was super spectacular in high school. He seems to have given up track. :-(

 

[jacknyc]

"Junior sprint sensation Filippo Tortu, who turned 18 on 15 June, won his first senior 100m title in 10.32 in far from ideal conditions, with rain and a headwind of 1.3 m/s.
Tortu grabbed the headlines last month when he clocked 10.24 in Savona, breaking Pierfrancesco Pavoni’s long-standing 10.25 Italian junior record which had withstood all assaults since 1982. Tortu is coached by his father Salvino, who won 15 Italian master titles in the 60m, 100m and 200m. "

 

[white lightning]

I didn't know Tortus father was a sprinter. That sounds great. I'm sure he passed on some of his genetics. Maybe
this kid will be the next Simone Collio or evern better the great P. Mennea! He has great from as he has no
wasted movement. If you watch the slow motion video of the race you can see many of the other sprinters are very jerky and rocky. Tortu is smooth and fast. No wasted energy with excellent footwork and upperbody movement!

 

[jacknyc]

Interesting results from the young runners in Mannheim:

Jack Hale, the stupendous teenager from Aus, smoked a wind-legal 10.21 in the heats. He has a 1998 birthday, not sure if he's even 18 yet. He also won the final in 10.38 with an adverse wind.

Young Englishman Oliver Bromby finished second behind Hale.

In the 200, Hari lost to young German Roger Gurski, 1997 birthday, who ran 20.78 (quite good for a teenager).

Cameron Tindle of Scotland also finished ahead of Hari; he was 2nd behind Gurski. So he's another young sprinter to watch.
It does seem that Britain turns out the most white male sprinters of any European country.

 

[McCaffrey Dude]

I get my " speed " from my drug dealer.

 

[limitless]

Does anyone here know if Teeters will participate in the US Olympic trials?

 

[McCaffrey Dude]

Does anyone of the few of us that post on track here recall seeing Spain's Bruno Hortelano running 10.08? Does his reaction not look exactly like Lemaitre's reaction when he ran 9.98 for the first time. It is amazing as they start smiling and running everywhere with their tongues hanging out. Just weird. I think Hortelano is going to be a major force in the 100 meters soon, very soon.

 

[white lightning]

Does anyone here know if Teeters will participate in the US Olympic trials?

Yes John Teeters has declared he will run this weekend. Hope he can pull of a new p.b. and a sub 10 in the process!

 

[fernchris55]

Does anyone of the few of us that post on track here recall seeing Spain's Bruno Hortelano running 10.08? Does his reaction not look exactly like Lemaitre's reaction when he ran 9.98 for the first time. It is amazing as they start smiling and running everywhere with their tongues hanging out. Just weird. I think Hortelano is going to be a major force in the 100 meters soon, very soon.

Go back to the previous page, near the top, and you'll see 2 vids posted of his 10.08 & 10.06 in the final.

 

[Texas Flash]

Yes John Teeters has declared he will run this weekend. Hope he can pull of a new p.b. and a sub 10 in the process!

Assuming conditions are good and he's healthy Teeters will go sub 10 this weekend.

 

[Vanilla_Sky]

Teeters wins his heat!!! 10.00

 

[RCSMAN]

teeters : 10.00 (+1.9)

great time

 

[white lightning]

Teeters wins his heat!!! 10.00

Oh man is this incredible news. He was 1/100th from a sub 10 in one of the biggest national champs
meets in the world against many of the elite sprinters anywhere. The pressure yet he responded in a
huge way. I need some video of this race.

Congrats John Teeters. Let's hope he can pull a miracle and do it twice in the same day! Just a little
faster in the finals heats and he may be going to Rio representing the U.S. Good luck to Teeters!!

 

[limitless]

Prandini is on to semis with a windy 10.81.