2012 Indoor Track Season

[dr.riders]

The majority of italian immigrants in USA and the rest of Europe are from south Italy because the poorest conditions. You know only that appearance. Italy is very differentiated. And not only from north to south. I know blonde and light skinned men from Sicily. Alexander the Great (the great Macedonian king, a greek) was blonde. Well before germanic and slavic invasions.

 

[dr.riders]

Excuse me for my animosity. I think the reality is more complicated than often assumed. I love athletics. And I love the story. I would like to see athletes from all over the world compete in the same conditions. But this is not really possible. For economic, social and cultural factors. And it is easier to explain everything in a simplistic way. I'm sorry. I do not want to offend anyone. Sorry. I like to debate wiyh you.

 

[Don Wassall]

i should note that one of these "scrubs" is another White freshman, Nathanael Franks. he isn't even a 400-meter specialist, but rather he's yet another heptathlon/decathlon guy for the Razorbacks.

but despite that, Arkansas STILL took 3rd place in the 4x400. not bad at all, methinks.

oh, and this is what the best track team in the "most affletic" conference in the country looks like ... :thumb:

a bunch of blue collar, lunchpail, over-achieving, precise-route-running, hard working, high motor, gym rat, deceptively fast track champions.

Love that picture. Can any of you track buffs do a short write-up on the Arkansas team, and any others with White sprinters that are doing well? I know Penn State was also mentioned in this thread. If someone can put together a short summary I'll post it on the homepage and a lot more people will become aware of this.

 

[frederic38]

Lemaitre mother's name is Marie Thérèse Micheli. She was born in France. Why has she a similar surname? Because his grandfather Lorenzo Micheli (father of his mother) was from Frerola, a small village in a valley near the city Bergamo. He emigrated in France after II world war. His grandmother, Anna Negri (mother of Christophe mother), came from Emilia-Romagna region.

Do you want a link? It's only in italian. Because it isn't so important in France.
http://www.ecodibergamo.it/stories/Valle Brembana/307182/

thanks, i had no idea

I answer with another question. Why in Burgundy do they speak French and not a Germanic language?

because they decided to speak the local language, otherwise we would speak a germanic language
it is said to be related to their conversion to catholicism

But are not important the invasions

it was important enough to have laws to avoid problems between the invaders and the inhabitants
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_Burgundionum
i think that they owned 2/3 of the land

 

[waterbed]

I told genetically similar. Not with the same genetics. But different to germanic people from north germany. But every people isn't waterproof. Contacts were and are the normality. But genetics is complicated to explain. So the appearance is another thing. But i'm not a genetist. Only i read some studies that explain some data with historical situations. North italians are more similar to french people than to south italians. But italians now have the same culture. People from North and South Tirol are german speaking. People from Trentino are italian speaking. But they are the same people. With different cultures. The magic of history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Europe

autosomol genetic distance german to french people average 0.001 dutch probly 0.001-0.002( not in the list) and french to Itlian 0.003-0.005.spanish to french 0.001

negro to white 0.12% mongoloid ******* 0.18% same specie max 0.4%( negro to mongoloid is half way when it would not be considerd same specie with healthy reproducing)

look differnce is becuase of genetic clustering when you look at group totally.

 

[waterbed]

I told genetically similar. Not with the same genetics. But different to germanic people from north germany. But every people isn't waterproof. Contacts were and are the normality. But genetics is complicated to explain. So the appearance is another thing. But i'm not a genetist. Only i read some studies that explain some data with historical situations. North italians are more similar to french people than to south italians. But italians now have the same culture. People from North and South Tirol are german speaking. People from Trentino are italian speaking. But they are the same people. With different cultures. The magic of history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Europe

autosomol genetic distance german to french people average 0.001 dutch probly 0.001-0.002( not in the list) and french to Itlian 0.003-0.005.spanish to french 0.001

negro to white 0.12% mongoloid ******* 0.18% same specie max 0.4%( negro to mongoloid is half way when it would not be considerd same specie with healthy reproducing)

look differnce is becuase of genetic clustering when you look at group totally.

in the article they say that most genetic diversity you can find within one ethnic group.

But I think there are more important genes mutations accuring when you live in differnt environments, so probably when you 99.6% sharing genes after thousands of years the same conitinet is not the same as and much less then 99.65 or 99.6 for that matter at differnt continent envolvement maybe you can also reproduce then at lower then 99.6%.Not all genes have the weight in importantness.

 

[dr.riders]

in the article they say that most genetic diversity you can find within one ethnic group.

But I think there are more important genes mutations accuring when you live in differnt environments, so probably when you 99.6% sharing genes after thousands of years the same conitinet is not the same as and much less then 99.65 or 99.6 for that matter at differnt continent envolvement maybe you can also reproduce then at lower then 99.6%.Not all genes have the weight in importantness.

For me, these links are very interesting:
http://www.buildinghistory.org/distantpast/germani.shtml
http://www.buildinghistory.org/distantpast/indoeuropeangenetics.shtml
http://www.buildinghistory.org/distantpast/ironage.shtml
http://www.bowesonenamestudy.com/dna_project_pages/participants/haplogroup_i/index.html
http://www.bowesonenamestudy.com/dna_project_pages/participants/haplogroup_r1b/index.html
http://dgmweb.net/DNA/Corbin/CorbinDNA-results-HgI1.html
http://www.goggo.com/terry/HaplogroupI1/

The problem is that many data are referred generally to nations in the whole like France, Germany, Italy. Instead to better understand genetics into history we need a microregional analysis, and not macroregional.

 

[dr.riders]

Like this:
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

and i forgot these links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Europe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosome_haplogroups_by_populations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R_(Y-DNA)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_(Y-DNA)

 

[dr.riders]

because they decided to speak the local language, otherwise we would speak a germanic language
it is said to be related to their conversion to catholicism

it was important enough to have laws to avoid problems between the invaders and the inhabitants
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_Burgundionum
i think that they owned 2/3 of the land[/QUOTE]

Normally is the elite to decide the language. And the majority (peasants and workers) only could accept this situation. The conqueror elites are mainly the minority. And they took the power (before romans, after some german tribes-confederacy etc...). The only different examples are USA and Australia, where the original populations (smaller in number) were largely eliminated.
Also in north Italy Longobards imposed their laws, like in Burgundy. In reality the situation was more complicated. They applied, in some situations, different laws for different peoples (Latins and Germans). History tells about the winners, the elites. But it's to difficult to understand the history of most of the conquered peoples. In fact, elites claimed to have control of most of the earth. History is plenty of these examples. As each power has always done. I don't find it strange.

 

[dr.riders]

And the only interest for christian church were to christianize. Not latinisize. See to Irland. Or other populotions (different german populations). Christianization was very important because involved the elites. In Italy, during V century AD, Goths (the elite) were Arians and not Catholics. After this the Church began to Christianize all the new elites. But not to change languages.

 

[frederic38]

we're going WAY off topic :grin:
but i did not say that the church forced the germanic invaders to adopt the language, they spoke germanic language for a very long time, and then they wanted to speak a latin language because latin is the official language of catholicism, and since they converted to catholicism....
anyway, i really enjoy discussing this topic, but we must go back to the topic i think
the point is that france had a big germanic influence in the north and the east, both historically and racially
we are not named the country of the franks for no reason :grin:

let's go back to what don wassall asked for before the off topic:

Love that picture. Can any of you track buffs do a short write-up on the Arkansas team, and any others with White sprinters that are doing well? I know Penn State was also mentioned in this thread. If someone can put together a short summary I'll post it on the homepage and a lot more people will become aware of this.