2009-2010 NBA SEASON

[j41181]

TJR, how's this on for size:
Beno Udrih just had 20 points & 6 assists (+23 for him) in a 120-107 Kings trouncing over GS. Evans had 23 points, I knew first-hand they would make a fine back-court duo, and with Kevin Martin out for 6-8 weeks (broken wrist), they might just blossom together. I'm very glad for Beno Udrih, he's a very solid and fundamentally sound (pass-first) point guard (poor-man's Nash to me). Sacramento seems to be getting it's glory days back again. Four whites scored in double figures in the game:

Beno Udrih - 20 points, 3 rebounds, 6 assists
Spencer Hawes - 10 points, 6 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 blocks
Andres Nocioni - 10 points, 1 rebound, 2 assists, 1 steal
Omri Casspi - 12 points, 10 rebounds, 5 asists, 3 steals

Steve Blake, Joel Przybilla, and Rudy Fernandez were super efficient in Portland's 116-93 win over Minnesota, despite not scoring much:

Steve Blake - 6 points, 4 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal, 0 TO
Rudy Fernandez - 5 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists, 4 steals
Joel Przybilla - 7 points, 13 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal

 

[guest301]

Kaman might just be the best center in the league!!!!!!!!!

Numbers wise, that case can be made but I still give a edge to Dwight Howard. I think Kaman is the best center in the Western conference and hopefully he will make the all-star team.

 

[whiteathlete33]

Kaman might just be the best center in the league!!!!!!!!!

Numbers wise, that case can be made but I still give a edge to Dwight Howard. I think Kaman is the best center in the Western conference and hopefully he will make the all-star team.

Kaman is better than Howard.  He didn't shoot enough early in his career.  Now that he is involved more in the offense he is unstoppable.  His athleticism at the center position might be the best in the NBA as well.

 

[FootballDad]

We'll get a better idea of how Kaman matches up with Howard this year on December 8th. Mark your calendar! I'm hoping that Kaman wins this matchup with "superman".

 

[guest301]

Kaman might just be the best center in the league!!!!!!!!!

Numbers wise, that case can be made but I still give a edge to Dwight Howard. I think Kaman is the best center in the Western conference and hopefully he will make the all-star team.

Kaman is better than Howard.  He didn't shoot enough early in his career.  Now that he is involved more in the offense he is unstoppable.  His athleticism at the center position might be the best in the NBA as well.

Well of course you know that I hope you are proven right on this. I would have no problem whatsoever if Kaman ends up having a better career and numbers. But right now overall I honestly give the edge to Howard. I will grant you that Kaman has a far more diverse game offensively than Howard but I give Howard the edge on defense and intimidation. But my mind is open on the matter.

 

[j41181]

Utah Jazz won their game vs. New York, 95-93, and I've not seen Kirilenko and Okur play this well together in a while:

Andrei Kirilenko - 23 points, 6 rebounds, 6 assists, 1 block
(9-16 FG's, 5-8 3pt's)

Memo Okur - 18 points, 12 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 block

Lee (12 points) and Gallinari (7 points) were quite sub-par tonight.

 

[j41181]

Kaman may not have a great defensive game for a center, but I consider his offensive game better than Howard's in only in the slightest terms.

I'd be surprised if Kaman became an All-Star this season!

 

[j41181]

Kaman will NOT make this season's All-Star game...because he's NOT mentioned among Western Centers in the voting ballots!!!

Joakim Noah is not included too (not really for him).

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/2010-NBA-All-Star-Game-ballot-unveiled;_ylt=Ao9_dQObTNnADdDcwh2k.yK8vLYF?urn=nba,201445

That's the NBA for you!Edited by: j41181

 

[whiteathlete33]

That's ridiculous.  Kaman is putting up the best numbers of any center in the league.

 

[guest301]

It's insane that Kaman is not on the ballot because few write in candidates get in. Hopefully the coaches will put him on the team.

 

[guest301]

Thanks for the voting link, j41181. I just voted for 10 white guys in the starting lineups head by Dirk, Nash and Lee of course. We can vote every day and if the voting is close we might could actually make a difference around here if most of us participated.

 

[FootballDad]

Not being a big fan of the NBA all-star festivities, how is the list compiled? Are league functionaries charged with putting the list together ("can't list that Kaman guy, he's just a white stiff"), or is it a popularity contest amongst the players or fans?

 

[celticdb15]

Popularity contest as it's been for some time Edited by: celticdb15

 

[white receiver #82]

Dang i know there are white players that deserve to be all-stars but voting for 10 starters thats pretty racist. Don't get me wrong i'm a whiteguy and i root mostly for white playersbutthere are black players that are better than whites and there are white players who are better than blacks i'm gona vote for who performs the best whether their white or black and im probably gona vote for a couple of my favorite white players but only if they deserve to be there

 

[j41181]

The only way for Kaman to really make this season's All-Star game is to remain consistent and healthy, keep those 20-10 numbers until Feb. 2010. The coaches have an 80% chance of picking him if he succeeds in this. He has to do this, even with Blake Griffin back in the lineup, though the odds just seem to be against him.

Dirk and Nash are automatic locks (via coaches), thanks to their incredible consistency and durability. Lee is the white in the East with a fair chance of making it, unless the Knicks start winning 50% of their games. Pau Gasol may have just lost his chance, he's missed too many games. The only way for Gasol to make it is to post 19-9 numbers by Feb. 2010. The big problem, he's not exactly a quick-starter.

When you look at recent NBA history, every post-Larry Bird white player needs to post incredibly high and consistent numbers just to get an All-Star nod. Compare these two blacks to these three whites:

Kevin Garnett - 17.0 ppg. (1996-97) All-Star
Kobe Bryant - 15.6 ppg. (1997-98) All-Star

Dirk Nowitzki - 17.9 ppg. (2000-01) Not All-Star
Pau Gasol - 17.6 ppg. (2001-02) Not All-Star
Steve Nash - 15.6 ppg. (2000-01) Not All-Star

It's generally easier for blacks to make the All-Star game compared to whites, and most deserve without doubt. But, for a white to make it, he needs to achieve these magic avg. numbers depending on his playing position:

White C - 16-20 points, 10 rebounds, 2-3 blocks
White PF - 18-26 points, 8-9 rebounds, 2-3 assists, 1 block
White SF - 20-24 points, 4-6 rebounds, 2-4 assists, 1 steal
White SG - 18-22 points, 3-4 rebounds, 2-4 assists, 1-2 steals
White PG - 15-18 points, 2-3 rebounds, 8-12 assists, 1 steal

I based these numbers on the best white players of the decade by position (2000-09):

C - Ilgauskas, Miller, Kaman, Okur
PF - Nowitzki, Gasol
SF - Stojakovic, Kirilenko
SG - Ginobili, Szczerbiak
PG - Nash, Williams Edited by: j41181

 

[whiteathlete33]

Gugliotta had only one all star apperance despite putting up back to back 20 ppg seasons.  The guy was robbed and bringing in Garnett screwed his career.

 

[guest301]

Dang i know there are white players that deserve to be all-stars but voting for 10 starters thats pretty racist. Don't get me wrong i'm a whiteguy and i root mostly for white players but there are black players that are better than whites and there are white players who are better than blacks i'm gona vote for who performs the best whether their white or black and im probably gona vote for a couple of my favorite white players  but only if they deserve to be there

It's not about being racist by voting for 10 white starters, it's about saturating the voting site with so many votes for white players that a few of them actually get voted in. David Lee is a guy who should be on the All-Star team but may not be on the typical DWF radar because of his skin tone. I know there are black players deserving to be on the all-star team and believe me , Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Howard, etc... will have no problems getting votes and deservedly so. So I will continue to vote for all-white teams whenever I can until the caste system disappears.

 

[whiteathlete33]

Dang i know there are white players that deserve to be all-stars but voting for 10 starters thats pretty racist. Don't get me wrong i'm a whiteguy and i root mostly for white players but there are black players that are better than whites and there are white players who are better than blacks i'm gona vote for who performs the best whether their white or black and im probably gona vote for a couple of my favorite white players  but only if they deserve to be there

It's not about being racist by voting for 10 white starters, it's about saturating the voting site with so many votes for white players that a few of them actually get voted in. David Lee is a guy who should be on the All-Star team but may not be on the typical DWF radar because of his skin tone. I know there are black players deserving to be on the all-star team and believe me , Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Howard, etc... will have no problems getting votes and deservedly so. So I will continue to vote for all-white teams whenever I can until the caste system disappears.

Do you think blacks vote for any white players? Absolutely not!!  There is the answer to your question whitereceiver.  Every single black I have ever talked to has said that the most overrated players in the NBA are Steve Nash and Nowitzki.  The answer is very clear.  They don't want any talented white in "their" sport.
Edited by: whiteathlete33

 

[Van_Slyke_CF]

I haven't watched an entire NBA game in 20 years. The only thing I do is scan the boxscores on a regular basis-and it doesn't take very long-to see how the few white players are doing.

 

[whiteathlete33]

I haven't watched an entire NBA game in 20 years. The only thing I do is scan the boxscores on a regular basis-and it doesn't take very long-to see how the few white players are doing.

I don't think it's possible to watch a whole game.  Sometimes I put a game on for a few minutes and see 10 affletes on the court and no whites.  The only time I watch games is when Nowitzki, Nash, or other white stars are playing.  Even then it's sometimes unbearable.

 

[white receiver #82]

Dang i know there are white players that deserve to be all-stars but voting for 10 starters thats pretty racist. Don't get me wrong i'm a whiteguy and i root mostly for white playersbutthere are black players that are better than whites and there are white players who are better than blacks i'm gona vote for who performs the best whether their white or black and im probably gona vote for a couple of my favorite white players but only if they deserve to be there

It's not about being racist by voting for 10 white starters, it's about saturating the voting site with so many votes for white players that a few of them actually get voted in. David Lee is a guy who should be on the All-Star team but may not be on the typical DWF radar because of his skin tone. I know there are black players deserving to be on the all-star team and believe me , Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Howard, etc... will have no problems getting votes and deservedly so. So I will continue to vote for all-white teams whenever I can until the caste system disappears.

Do you think blacks vote for any white players? Absolutely not!! There is the answer to your question whitereceiver. Every single black I have ever talked to has said that the most overrated players in the NBA are Steve Nash and Nowitzki. The answer is very clear. They don't want any talented white in "their" sport.
i hear you whiteathlete33 i just had to put that out their

 

[guest301]

White receiver your earlier point is valid that we should vote for the most deserving players black or white but when the system is very much unfair and rigged against us then why should we worry about being fair when no one else is. It's not like if everybody at CF voted everyday for ten white starters on the all-star team that it would come out that way. But maybe if a vote is close and a few dozen votes here and there get Nash to start over Paul and Kaman/Okur to start over Bynum then it is worth it to vote for the white players only. But I do respect your opinion on the matter, I used to vote the same way.Edited by: guest301

 

[j41181]

Chris Kaman just needs to stay healthy, he's already proving his critics wrong 10 times over:

25 points, 7 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 blocks

Despite his team losing 104-89 to Toronto, and he was playing with the flu. Toronto's Bargnani, Calderon, and Belinelli were all solid in that game too:

Bargnani - 19 points, 2 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 2 blocks
Calderon - 18 points, 3 rebounds, 9 assists, 1 block
Belinelli - 15 points, 1 rebounds, assists

Bargnani really needs to assert himself more on the boards, he can be quite embarrassing for a 7-footer. If he can solve that one problem of his (the other being his defense), he's pretty much a perennial All-Star. Dirk Nowitzki may not be a great defender, but he always plays very respectable defense, and is a very solid rebounder. BTW, Dirk played a good game last night in a 89-77 Mavs win over the T'Wolves:

Nowitzki - 20 points, 11 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 blocks, 0 TO's

I just watched the Kings-Rockets game live, and I'm very happy for one particular player no one pays much attention to: BENO UDRIH!

He's a very solid and fundamentally sound player, a very good complement to rookie Tyreke Evans. Many are starting to realize that Evans is more of a scorer, as oppose to being the point guard. How slow can these fans be? The way I see him play, he kind of ball-hogs at times and gives up to many TO's (he had 3 TO's to 4 assists tonight). Beno plays the point better, and makes better decisions (just slightly better though), he had 4 assists to 2 TO's. But regardless, Udrih and Evans make a solid backcourt combo, it's a classic combination I see, with Udrih being the steady handler, and Evans the reckless shooter. I pray when Kevin Martin return's from his injury, he does not ruin the growing partnership between Udrih and Evans. Nocioni was solid, and Hawes needs some serious work. Casspi suffered a sprained ankle in the game. Jon Borckman saw significant action in this game. Kings won the game 109-100, they are now 4-0 with Kevin Martin out.

Udrih - 22 points, 3 rebounds, 4 assists
Nocioni - 15 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals
Hawes - 6 points, 9 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 2 blocks
Borckman - 4 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist

Edited by: j41181

 

[whiteathlete33]

Kaman  is showing he is the best center in the league.  There is no doubt about that.

 

[j41181]

Solid game by both Kirk Hinrich and Brad Miller. The Bulls won 94-88 over the slumping 76ers.

Hinrich - 19 points, 4 rebounds, 7 assists
Miller - 14 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal

I really miss Hinrich being a starter, he's one of the better defensive guards of the NBA.