The Rooney Rule

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  1. Guest

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    Not to knock the Steelers but this crap that at least one minority candidate must be interviewed for a vacant coaching position is ridiculous.
    Why dont we have the Sehorn rule. At least one white should be given the opportunity to play Corner in the NFL. If their to slow they should all get a .2 upgrade at the combine on their 40 yard dash time.
    Why arent we looking for more Jews, Asians, and Hispanics to interview for these positions.
    Its double standards like this that keep this site flourishing and make me proud of my white heritage.
    Also if about 80 percent of black players wouldint act like classless losers on and off the field I might be more sympathetic to their casue but I dont. If there were more Jerry Rices and Barry Sanders and their positive attitude I wouldint be so harsh.
     
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    I came across this article about James Harrison not going to the White House with the rest of the Steelers by a very anti-white, ultra-liberalwriter I've long disliked, but found the parts about Dan Rooney interesting (Harrison on the other hand is just another uninteresting, girlfriend-hittingNFL idiot-thug).


    <DIV =story_line _counted="undefined">Harrison's White House no-show disrespectful
    <DIV =story_subline>Linebacker's decision a slap at Obama and Rooney
    <DIV =story_lastupdate>Sunday, May 24, 2009
    <DIV =story_byline>By Ron Cook, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
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    James Harrison couldn't have driven to Washington D.C.?
    You're right, that's ridiculous.
    Let me rephrase:
    With all of his money, Harrison couldn't have hired a limo to take him to the White House Thursday to see President Barack Obama?
    Really, is that asking too much?
    Put me on the long list of those who were greatly offended by Harrison's decision not to go to D.C. with his teammates for a meet-and-greet with the president, a ceremony that didn't just honor and humble them, but one that they clearly enjoyed. The explanation that he's afraid of flying -- leaked to the media not by him, but by a club source -- seems lame in this case. So does another excuse I heard the other day from a team official: Harrison is afraid the White House is going to be blown up.
    Please.
    I'm thinking the man didn't make the trip for one reason and one reason only: He's a disrespectful fool.
    Disrespectful to Obama. More significantly, disrespectful to the Office of the President of the United States. And most significantly, disrespectful to Steelers owner Dan Rooney.
    Certainly, it's OK to not like Obama or his politics, just as it was OK not to like George W. Bush or his before him. In many countries, that sort of thing could get you killed. But that freedom of choice is one of the many reasons America is the greatest nation in the world. We're all entitled to our opinions, be they popular or otherwise.
    But there's no excuse for not respecting the Office of the President. It doesn't matter who is in it. The position itself commands respect. To me, it represents all of the freedoms we cherish.
    That's why it was so detestable when former Steelers linebacker Joey Porter wore sunglasses throughout the ceremony with Bush in 2006 after the team won Super Bowl XL. He did so even though the festivities took place indoors, in the East Room of the White House. My gosh, does it really hurt to have a little class? No matter how little you might think of Bush?
    Maybe Steelers linebackers have a thing with sitting presidents.
    But the disrespect Harrison showed Obama and his office is nothing compared to what he showed Rooney. For that, he should be ashamed.
    This ceremony was a big deal to Rooney. Sure, it was a gimmicky photo opportunity for Obama. And sure, you can argue the president should have had better things to do with his time during this troubled period of our history. But it still was a meaningful day for Rooney. During the presidential campaign last year, he stumped for Obama because he believed in him with great passion and conviction, often taking severe criticism from those who thought he was wrong not just about Obama, but for politicizing his football team. Now, Rooney is getting ready to work for the Obama administration. Confirmation of his nomination as Ambassador to Ireland is expected next month.
    You bet this ceremony was a big deal to Rooney.
    And Harrison thumbed his nose at him?
    After all Rooney has done for him?
    That has very little to do with the six-year, $51.175 million contract -- including a $10 million bonus -- that the Steelers gave Harrison after last season. He earned that with his phenomenal play the past two seasons. He was the NFL Defensive Player of the Year last season with a team-record 16 sacks and made the greatest play in Super Bowl history, returning an interception 100 yards for a touchdown in the 27-23 victory against the Arizona Cardinals. Yes, Rooney went against his typically sound judgment of not giving a big, multi-year contract to a player in his 30s, but Harrison, who turned 31 on May 4, is a unique case. His production could not be ignored.
    What's troubling about Harrison bailing on Rooney is that the two have a relationship that goes beyond football. It was just a little more than a year ago that Rooney rushed to Harrison's public defense when Harrison was accused of assaulting his girlfriend after she allegedly refused to take their son to be baptized. Rooney's clumsy comments bordered on the insane -- "[Harrison] was doing something that was good" -- although those close to him insisted he's not in favor of domestic violence and that he just badly misspoke.
    Was Rooney a hypocrite for defending Harrison at about the same time the Steelers released wide receiver Cedrick Wilson because of a domestic abuse incident? Absolutely. Wilson didn't have the same value to the team that Harrison did. But that shouldn't matter to Harrison. All he should care about is that his boss stood behind him at a difficult time, just as Rooney surely will stand behind him now that he's back in the news this weekend because of an incident in his Franklin Park home involving one of his pit bulls.
    You might argue that Harrison more than said "thank you" to Rooney by playing extraordinary football last season and leading the Steelers to the Super Bowl. I won't argue. But, sorry, that doesn't change the bottom-line opinion here: Harrison is a disrespectful fool.Read more: "Harrison's White House no-show disrespectful" - http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09144/972102-87.stm#ixzz0Gg3WnUP8&amp;A
     
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    We have the Rooney Rule to increase the number of black coaches, and a proposed version of it for front office hirings. As I said before, it's just a matter of time before the NFL does the same thing for kickers, punters and long snappers.

    But to force the league to give more deserving white players a chance at positions they are almost forbidden to play now? No way, that doesn't fit with what the NFL stands for.
     
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    </div><div>completely agree with you....we can't force the league to produce more deserving white players[​IMG]</div>
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    Steelers owner Dan Rooney passed away today at age 84. When I heard the news on the car radio, they talked about the Rooney rule, his hiring of Mike Tomlin, and his overall support of minorities. No mention of all the SB titles.
     
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    To these idiots his "caste legacy" matters more than his titles?! Doesn't surprise me.
     
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    When Antwon Rose was shot, demonstrations erupted in some areas of Pittsburgh for a number of days afterwards as the police stood down and the local media turned him into a martyr. I do think the White cop shouldn't have shot him in the back even though he was eventually acquitted after his name was dragged in the mud non-stop and his reputation ruined. Better to have let him run away and then arrest and prosecute him later. The Rose case was a mini-preview of this year's George Floyd insurrection.

    The Rooneys have always been ultra-liberals, at least since the death of beloved team founder Art Rooney who I don't think was political at all other than being for working people, so it's not surprising in the least that this came from the top down. In fact, all the protesting and rioting has been top-down funded and sanctioned to sow division and revolution in order to keep Americans from uniting against their 1% exploiters.
     
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    Msm is having a field day with all these martyrs!
     
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    Media is crying once again that there aren't enough Black Head Coaches.
     
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    When the purpose of the NFL is understood, the rule makes perfect sense.
     
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    I’m rooting for the bears to hire leftwhich or another black head coach.
     
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    O ya bring on him or Flores. Rodgers could definitely play til he's 40.

    Vikings are interviewing Leslie Frazier.
     
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    Didn’t Frazier coach there once already? Lol.

    Vance Joseph, Raheem Morris two other black retreads that failed miserably. I actually think Culley did a decent job with the dumpster fire he inherited in Houston.
     
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    Mixed it up! Frazier interviewing with Bears lol. Raheem with Vikes.
     
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    Lots of Rooney Rule interviews taking place. I assume at least two or three will be hired as head coaches to keep the wolves from baying too loudly. . .
     
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    Didn’t we used to call the Bucs Raheem’s Chocolate Dream when he ran them into the ground a decade ago? They seemed to hover around 10 White player in those brief years, if memory serves.
     
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    This is the first year I remember seeing candidate lists published for each team, like some sort of sports statistic. It seemed weird since the info was probably always out there. Thinking about it, this type of reporting is helpful to "normalize" the Rooney Rule candidates in the minds of the DWFs. Eventually, they'll start responding to the journalism prompts about "why hasn't so and so been hired yet?" (the answer is always racism). This is how we got memed into Eric Bienemy being some surefire head coach who is actively being snubbed (because of the owners' bigotry, goy!)
     
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    I believe it was Raheem's Dreem Teem, and for sure it was one of those all-time Caste squads of right around double digit Whites on the roster and almost no White starters. Raheem's coaching record with Tampa was 17-31.
     
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    Ah that’s right. Raheem’s Dreem Teem it was! Heaven help up if he gets hired again, as that team will be guaranteed to be amongst the worst Caste offenders.
     
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    The Rooney rule is racist and should be abolished.
     
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    I'm in the process of applying for a new job.

    The labor market is *not* "fluid" despite any macroeconomist's models; people are risk-averse by nature, and even the most menial roles still require hoops to jump through. If it's entry-level work, you're often asked for a drug-screening and background check. In the white collar world, the uncomfortable hurdles are more along the lines of personality tests, extensive interviewing, and resume scrutiny. Either way, it's natural to avoid (in a behavioral sense) seeking out judgment from strangers.

    Virtually every company now has a series of questions you must answer in your initial application. You are prompted to declare your gender (or lack thereof), your racial identification, your designation as hispanic or not hispanic, your disability status, and whether you've been honorably discharged from the military. One example - companies beyond a certain size are required to hire 7% of their workforce from the pool of disabled workers if the applicant pool has that many. That's the only hard quota I'm aware of, but the other criteria are measured just slightly more softly "for equity." I don't check any of those boxes as an ideal candidate (although identifying myself as a functioning alcoholic might help my career prospects, go figure). Companies themselves can't proactively exclude white males, but third party recruiting firms absolutely can screen their candidate fields to select only for diversity, as they are not directly denying employment.

    I work in a field that actually has more women than men at the moment. Yet, there is no shortage of 'Women In ___' networking and support groups, but nary one single analog for us guys. There is no checks on the "DEI" concept and its promotion either. Companies proactively promote their diversity and inclusion to preemptively avoid future sanctions (cancellation). Since the behavior is encouraged, a great many 'diverse' candidates have no qualms about loudly criticizing the proportion of white male executives, even in companies these white men have founded themselves. Slogans like "one is a token, two is a minority, three is progress" are not controversial at all and in fact cannot be challenged.

    It's worth noting that there is no end game for the DEI crowd, because there will never be 'enough' in the zero sum game. It's perfectly acceptable and 'equitable,' for example, to have an all-black board of directors (as long as you mix in a couple women).

    One of the most infuriating experiences I've had recently was sitting in on a panel discussion (via Zoom) for some niche industry topic. The subject matter wasn't very interesting, and the guests weren't particularly insightful. At the end, one of the speakers said the host, "Hey, I have to bring this up. Can we get a little diversity in here? All four of us are white, and three of us are males. I think we'd all benefit from getting the perspective of some leaders who are people of color." This guy is the CEO of a company he founded, and had held the same title previously at another small firm. He's from Utah and has a brown wife from southeast Asia. I was able to infer plenty about his character from this statement.

    The best way I've heard this phenomenon explained is as a "luxury view." We have luxury goods, but too many people currently have access to them. Everyone has a smartphone, so there is no 'elite' phone model. If I wanted a $1000 sweater, I could buy one with a credit card. If I decided to drive a fancy car, I could lease it or even just rent it. So how could I differentiate myself from the unwashed masses? I could make these sorts of pro-diversity statements and declare that I can afford to be marginalized. It's the least brave thing a CEO can say, because they are literally impervious to their policy. You might even argue that at an individual level, this guy is subconsciously removing his competition and securing his space. "We need less people like me in this space" secures him in that space by making him more unique. Truly a luxurious position to be in.

    But what really frustrated me about the episode was the way that I could not challenge him about it. There is no avenue where I can (rightfully) bully him, call him a ******, and let him know that he has not won, we do not accept his conditions, and that we think less of him for it. I can't justify the calculated decision to pipe up in the comments with my personal profile attached. When an Arab woman complains that the industry is 82% white, I can't impishly remind her publicly that we need more males for proper representation. I would risk, even if only slightly, public ostracization and career suicide. The only strategy I am allowed to pursue is to be the best possible candidate and employee, literally beating my enemies at their own game while remaining stoic and silent with the deck stacked against me. Fortunately, as a white man, I'm capable of pulling this off.

    Every white male hired or promoted in 2022 is achieving against the odds. It's worth considering that some of these coaches are forced (explicitly, or generally by society) to adopt their perverse racial attitudes as a condition of employment.
     
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    Going through the same process myself - it's ridiculous and everything you stated is 100% accurate. The "diversity" racket runs rampant across business/companies of any size. It's not just Human Resources either as many companies will hire a Chief Diversity Officer with their own department. I've also had to take part in mandated diversity training courses (luckily they were all online so I could skip through the videos).
     
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