The Next Pope

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  1. foobar75

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    For the record, I'm not Catholic and this story is not of much interest to me, except that it seems Cultural Marxism and AA do not appear to have any boundaries.

    According to odds-makers, a cardinal from Ghana has emerged as the front-runner to be the next Pope, while a Nigerian is #3. A couple of Latin American candidates round up the top 5, and only after that do we start to see some White Europeans being mentioned (someone from Canada is #2).

    The empowerement and promotion of black people and other non-whites at the expense of Whites as part of the CM agenda continues unabated, whether it's sports, politics, academia, religion, or any other institution of importance.

    http://www.paddypower.com/bet/current-affairs/pope-betting?ev_oc_grp_ids=1178744


    Here's the next Pope, potentially:

    Peter Turkson

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    or this guy, Francis Arinze:

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  2. whiteathlete33

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    I don't follow this much, but I remember after Pope John Paul II passed away they were trying to push a black pope. Luckily, it didn't happen. Let's hope this is the case this time around as well.
     
  3. BoxingSpecialist2

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    You know, I'm a white Muslim by birth.

    There are white Muslims in various parts of Europe (Turkey, Belarus, Russia, Albania, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro, and of course there are white converts all over Europe and North America). Islam came to white Europeans mainly through conflict and friendly interactions with Middle Eastern and Asian peoples.

    I don't practice my religion. I'm not really a fan of any religion to be honest, and I am Muslim only from birth. In my actions I am essentially atheist. But I still have a high respect for Islam, and even though I am not Christian, I have a respect for *true* Christianity and those who follow it.

    I have a female friend who's doing her Master's Degree in becoming a Journalist here where I live in Canada. She writes articles which appear in the biggest newspapers in Canada so of course I read them because I am her friend. One of her articles was about the "Christian Church of England" allowing openly gay bishops, priests, and clergymen to serve with distinction and praise within the Church.

    I almost felt like throwing up when I read that. I'm not Christian, but I know enough about Christianity to know that HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN according to the Bible, or the Word of God according to Christians.

    Jesus Christ himself would be ashamed and disgraced by the way Christians are behaving. Any self respecting Christian would have labelled the Church of England an enemy based on its stance on gay issues. Any TRUE Christian would have abandoned the Church a long time ago, because the Church has sacrificed religious truths for politically correct stances.

    I honestly think that sometime in the near future, Liberals will change, alter, and edit the word of God to suit a pro gay message. The Bible (the word of God) will be physically reworded, and changed to say that homosexuality is good. At that point, Christianity itself ceases to exist, if its not already at that point. Actually, its too late, for all institutional purposes, I would say that Christianity has been destroyed. Its already done.

    Jesus Christ himself would be ashamed by these actions. These people are not Christians, and they should all be removed from the Church and prosecuted under Christian law for traitors.

    These Liberals are literally tampering with the word of God to get their agenda across. I'm not even Christian and I take offense to that.

    Where I live in Canada, there is a large immigrant Muslim population. It will be fun to see when Liberals start pushing these ideas on Muslims. Muslims won't go for it and allow their religion to be disgraced in such a manner.

    If Liberals ever try to push women imams, or misguide the teachings of Islam we'll see some dead Liberals in Canada. I'm not even joking about that and in fact it's already happened in parts of Europe because liberals try and push their agenda on Muslims.

    The Christian Church has disgraced their religion. They're not Christians, they're traitors. Jesus himself would be ashamed of these people.

    It will be funny to see Liberals try and push their gay and feminist agenda on Muslims in Canada. I can almost guarantee you some of these Liberals will end up assassinated or blown up in their own homes. Arab and Brown guys in Canada will certainly do that.

    Edit: sorry to go off topic, but Liberals pushing a gay, racist, feminist, and pro-black agenda even within the Church and essentially tampering with the word of God is just extremely offensive to me, and I'm not even Christian. This liberal craziness needs to stop.

    A Christian who is true in his faith would have completely abandoned the Church of England, and the Catholic Church a very long time ago, because these institutions have given up religious truths to political correctness.

    Sometime soon we'll probably be seeing a gay and/or prostitute transvestite multiracial Pope. Then probably the Bible will be physically altered to say thats good in the eyes of God. Thats where Christianity is headed soon. What a god damn disgrace. We can thank liberals (and the Church officials who catered to them) and their perversions for destroying the word of God and breaking traditions that have been around for 2,000 years.

    Sounds crazy but 20 years ago, the idea of gays openly teaching in the Church was thought of as delusional, crazy, but today it is fact.
     
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  4. BoxingSpecialist2

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    Islam is a boundary and if you notice up until now, Liberals have been very careful and reluctant to push their gay, feminist, and self-loathing agenda onto Muslims in North America and Europe. This is because Muslims will literally kill them and if they do that, they're endangering themselves.

    Being killed, or some sort of physical violence is the only thing that will deter these Liberals.

    Im sure you heard about the cartoons drawn by Liberals, and Muslims angrily protesting and even killing people over it.

    The reason Muslims were protesting is because Islam is not a circus, and Muslims don't want to see their religion disgraced like Christianity has been (allowing gays, blacks, and women into positions of power).

    Christianity has already been destroyed... Its over.

    What's next will be Liberals trying to push their agenda onto Muslims. They better be careful though, and I predict they will be unsuccessful because Muslims will literally kill them in their own country.

    I guarantee you that anyone pushing women's rights, or gay rights in connection with Islam will almost certainly receive death threats and will always be under the risk of being killed.

    Thank God there is still some self-respecting Muslims who don't want to see their religion become a god damn disgrace publically.
     
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  5. frederic38

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    do you think that you wrote it with big enough letters? :icon_lol:
    the english chuurch you mention isn't catholic, the pope is catholic
    the catholic church isn't pro gay...not yet
     
  6. celticdb15

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    That is absolutely freaking distrubing and disgusting to think that 2 "priests" from Africa would even be considered for such an honor. These men are not Christians, Africa has had no true religion in its history besides Islam in the north and Christianity in Ethiopia in i am I mistaken? Both religions were brought by outside influences! I mean really this is a place where tribal warfare is rampant,rape is common, and the people have no regard for human life.

    This logic is the same logic millions of brain dead Americans chose when they voted in Obama twice. They think that the almighty black man will make everything better when in reality he's no better than any other candidate besides the fact black is the thing to be these days.
     
  7. BoxingSpecialist2

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    Yes, I am aware of the difference in Churches, one is Protestant and one is Catholic. But both are caving in to Liberals and following a cultural marxist agenda. The Catholic Church is pro-black, and in time, will be pro-gay. Just give it another 10 years.

    And sorry if the letters are big I just get very angry, lol.

    Anyways, I'll be happy to see when Liberals try to push these agendas on Muslims, because we'll be seeing some dead Liberals in North America and Europe and sorry to say but I am happy about that and I think its the only way to get through to these people.

    Christianity has been made into a circus and it's disgusting and offensive. Real Christians would be embarrassed, humiliated, and ashamed by the actions of the church.

    Jesus himself would be ashamed by these traitors and their gay, black ,and woman agenda.

    Where I live in Canada, liberals are very careful around Muslims because they know that Muslims won't put up with their garbage and rhetoric. Death threats, riots, and phsyical attacks on liberals is the only thing to stop their agenda.

    What these liberals have done to Christianity is criminal. I will be happy to see them try that with Muslims and end up being killed, attacked, and blown up. Call it pay back.
     
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    Islam was created in Saudi Arabia and is an Arabic religion. The prophet is a Caucasian Arab.

    The reason Islam is in Africa is because White and Caucasian Arabs moved into the North Africa over time, bringing Islam with them. Most North Africans to this day, are white.

    Islam is a religion of CAUCASIANS and ARABS. Some blacks may have converted over time, like Christianity. But Islam itself was born in ASIA, Saudi Arabia, to Caucasians.
     
  9. dwid

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    it looks like the guy from Canada Cardinal Marc Ouellet has the best odds of winning with 7/2. The 2nd best odds is Angelo Schola from Italy who is also White, 4/1 odds, tied with the guy from Ghana. The guy from Nigeria has 6/1 odds. They can try to push their agenda but so far everything I have seen has talked about Marc Ouellet becoming the next pope.

    The whole talk was about having a pope not from Europe. The guy from Canada fits the bill and its not too much difference, but I have also read this "Global Vatican watchers have tipped Milan Cardinal Angelo Scola as favorite to succeed Benedict."
     
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  10. BoxingSpecialist2

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    Whether the Pope this time around is white or not makes no difference, Christianity has already been destroyed by the leftists and if they don't get a black pope, this time they will get him next time.

    The fact that a black pope is even being in consideration to lead the Vatican is a disgrace in its own right. If I was Catholic, I would LEAVE the Catholic Church just based on his consideration.

    As I said, Jesus and God himself would be ashamed at these people for their pro-gay, pro-female, and non-Christian stances.

    The leftists have succeeded in destroying the Church of England and the Vatican, maybe the Vatican held out for longer, but clearly they're both headed down the same path of welcoming gays, women, transvestites, blacks, prostitutes etc.

    I honestly think the left will soon physically change and reword the Bible to remove the comments about gays.

    Maybe after the black pope is elected there will be a transvestite pope.
     
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    these aren't Catholics making the odds, from what I can see its protestants and jews making the odds, trying to push their agenda on the Catholic church. Once they get into the room to decide then it really doesn't matter what the odds that someone else made are. We don't know who the Vatican has truly considered. They know most of their funding comes from Europe, so getting a guy from Europe makes the most sense. When has the Vatican supported gay marriage and leftist ideas? Last time I remember guys were bashed for saying such things against such things.

    "If they don't succeed, it will be the next one", yeah how many years will that be? Who knows what can change in that time span.

    as far as what it means to be Christian, exactly what the name implies, to be Christ like, to strive to be like Christ, which is impossible but to strive for it. I am sure he considered homosexuality as a sin but I don't know if he considered that much worse than guys sleeping around with women before marriage. I mean guys are still going to sleep around not married, it is a sin, and they continue to do it. The only difference with f*gs is that they will never change and keep sleeping with men, which means always committing sin.

    I don't know of the Catholic church allowing any women to be priests. I don't see them openly allowing gays. They say if you don't see yourself having a wife and family, then don't become a priest. Gays have snuck their way in there. And the forgiving church (which is supposed to forgive) doesn't punish these guys harshly enough.
     
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    I have the utmost respect for any True Christian or True Catholic who follows their faith as it is supposed to be followed. Christianity is very clear on its stance towards homosexuality. Christian tradition is also very clear on the role of women in the clergy, society, and family. There is also racial manifestations of Christian tradition, and the Vatican has always been a European symbol for Catholicism, traditionally accepting only the strictest Roman Catholics.

    - The Church of England has literally and legally allowed gays to not only participate in the Church, but to deliver sermon, preach, and lead the Church. Since they legally permit gays to lead the church, I would assume that transvestites, women with male sex organs can also preach in the Church?

    This is entirely un-Christian and any true Christian would feel DISGRACED by these actions and would completely denounce the Church of England. In fact, a true Christian would even want some sort of punishment, or revenge to be carried out on the Church.

    - The Vatican has shown more resistance to change, but ultimately, even here compromises are starting to be made. Before Benedict was elected, black priests were considered strong possibilities to become the Pope. And now, again, after he has retired, some blacks are thought of as being strong candidates.

    I find this sickening.

    Maybe for now, they will elect a white pope and continue to resist change, but they won't hold out forever, and in another 10, 20, 30 years they'll be headed down the same path as the Church of England, maybe further ahead.

    Its disgusting and its a crime.

    Any true Christian would distance himself from these institutions, because what they preach is not Christianity. They preach a perverted, socially-adjusted, and incorrect gospel. They have literally changed the word of God. How can the religion have any credibility when the authorities are hypocrites, liars, and don't even follow their own rules (or the rule of God)?

    If I was Christian - and I'm not - but if I was, I would publically denounce the Vatican and the Church of England and I would denounce the god damn traitors who run them. Jesus Christ himself would be ashamed at the Church of England. The Vatican is not far behind.

    I don't even have a problem with gay people to be honest. My problem is with Liberals who have destroyed Christianity and its traditions to suit their agenda.

    What a god damn disgrace. Christianity has been publically mocked over and over and over again by Liberals and Jews. Its a crime what liberals have done to Christianity and the only thing that would bring justice here, would be for those in charge of liberal reform in the Church and the higher ups in the Church of England to be put to death for their crimes.

    Thats what they do in the Middle East for people undermining the Islamic authority and thats what they should do to Liberals here. That is also the same reason why Christianity has been disrespected as a religion, yet Islam is not. Ive heard University professors say the biggest fight in the 21st Century will be tribalism (Conservative, Islam) vs corporate way of life (liberal). Well with Christianity that fight is over and Christians fully lost.

    Whoever suggested that there should be a black pope should be forcibly removed from and excommunicated from the Church. End of discussion. That type of thinking goes against the Church and in another light is entirely unChristian.
     
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    You forgot about those infamous Ethiopian „Jews“, I guess. The most populous parts of North Africa in the antiquity, namely Egypt, Africa and the Cyrene had big Christian communities until they were wiped out by the Islamic conquest.
    When you say things like that you make it sound like it’s a badge of honor. And yet there are still people that wonder why some may associate Islam with uncivilized behavior, violence and barbarism.
    Some Blacks? 50% of Nigeria is Muslim, so alone in Nigeria there are approximately around 85 Mio BLACK MUSLIMS. Don’t fool yourself, Islam has no racial component.
    ......And it should have stayed there where it belongs. >Posting stuff about Islam in a thread about the Pope.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlpRBLkgcBo
     
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    There is nothing uncivilized about Muslims protecting and defending their religion from Jews, Liberals, Feminists and others who attempt to slander the prophet in the media.

    I think it is honourable and glorious to defend yourself, your religion, and your people. It lets Liberals know that Muslims won't put up with their garbage agenda and rhetoric.

    Islam will not be disrespected or made a mockery of, like Christianity unfortunately has been by the liberals and feminists.

    No one when rioted when the Church of England announced that it was letting gays lead the church which directly contradicts Christianity.

    I think Christians in England should have resisted and been up in arms and not let these traitors, liberals, and Jews get away with their crimes. At the very least, and TRUE Christian would agree with me that the Church of England should be abandoned.

    White Christians in England should have killed those responsible for these crimes in my opinion.

    Christianity in Europe has been disgraced and its honestly sad what these liberals have done to Christianity. I am offended and sad by it, and I'm not even Christian. They have destroyed Christianity with their agenda.

    The statistical majority of blacks in Africa are Christian. The overwhelming majority (90%+) of blacks in North America are Christian. The global population of blacks would be mainly Christian.

    Northern African countries tend to be Muslim, but they are not black, they are Arab. Some North African countries do have blacks which are Muslim, but they are usually seen as lower class. For example in Egypt, Coptic (white Christians) are seen as the highest class, Caucasian (white) Arab Muslims are next, and at the bottom would be blacks who are referred to as Nubians.

    Middle and Southern Africans who are totally black tend to be Christian.

    I don't understand what your point is here. Yes, there are some black Muslims, they converted or were taken over by Arabs. Just as there are black Christians who converted from white missionaries or through European colonization.

    Islam and Christianity both originated in the Middle East.

    You're absolutely right, it doesn't. The Qur'an specifically states not to judge people on race. However, the prophet himself is CAUCASIAN so the religion is born from CAUCASIANS.

    I don't practise Islam myself, but I take offense to Liberals who attack Islam and/or Christianity. Thats what my comments in this thread are in reference to.

    If I was a white Catholic I would LEAVE my membership if I had any to the Vatican. I find it disgusting they are pandering to a lefitst agenda and considering blacks as a Pope.
     
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    There is no honor or glory in random acts of violence. There is no possible justification for using physical violence against people just because you don’t agree with them or because they said something you don’t like. And yes, this also includes liberals. And frankly, Liberals don’t really criticize Muslims, on the contrary they tend to be quite fond about them (because Islam is “exotic†and every single Muslim country in the world looks like One Thousand and One Nights). They sometimes only criticize it for the simple reason that some Muslim men tend to treat their wives and daughters like cattle for example.
    For letting gays into the Church of England? Don’t you think that this is not a little bit excessive? Great Britain is not some sterile Arabian Desert after all…
    So? That doesn’t falsify anything I have written before. By chance, do you have any idea how Christians in Egypt are really treated today? They are the lowest of the low, constantly mistreated and certainly not upper class. And they are not white.
    Mohammed was descended from a cultural sphere that was and still is completely alien to European traditions, conventions and heritage. While Christianity was altered in order to fit into Europe, Islam is still the same archaic desert religion it was 1300 years ago. That Mohammed was allegedly “Caucasian†(very broad, squishy term) is completely irrelevant
     
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    the last time the cardinals voted for the pope the african contender for pope got only a few votes. The liberals in the media are drunk on negrophilia, the most likely next pope will be angelo scola from italy.
     
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    Yes I don't know why BoxingSpecialist is telling us to condemn the Catholic church when it hasn't done any of the things he said so far. I know they have been trying to reunite with the Church of England and their brand of Christianity but aren't willing to budge on beliefs, basically the Church of England would have to change to be more Catholic. It used to be more similar but not as much now.
     
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    The Catholic Church will never have queer marriage, never. Marriage is a sacrament between a man and a woman only.
     
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    The only thing I have accused the Catholic Church of is submitting to a leftist doctrine and foregoing religious and cultural tradition, clearly favouring the promotion of blacks in its clergy. To an extent I can understand that, but the Vatican is based in Europe, and has traditionally been a strict Roman Catholic and European symbol. This has become obvious in recent years, as I recall in 2005 when Pope John Paul II died, and Benedict was chosen as his successor. There was a black priest from Africa (I think it was Cameroon) who was considered a strong candidate and - as noted by Moose in this thread - received a number of votes.

    That was in 2005. Here again, in 2013, we see two or three different black priests who are being given a "Negro Push" to advance in the Church.

    It's almost like, the Negro quarterbacks in the NFL that are given pushes to join teams even though they don't have the necessary skills or fit into the job.

    Perhaps this time we will dodge the bullet again, but clearly the direction the Catholic Church is going on this issue is crystal clear, they are pandering to a leftist agenda and in time, they will certainly have their black pope. I would also suggest that in time, they will probably also compromise on various homosexual issues.

    As it stands, I do feel the Church deserves some credit for resisting change. But personally, if I was Catholic, simply seeing a Negro being even slightly considered to inherit the Vatican would disappoint me to the extent that I would leave the Church.

    I know that there are some fundamentalist Catholics out there who probably feel the same way as me and would have left the Church already by now. The Church of England is another even larger disaster that is simply promoting anti-Christian messages under the guise of Christianity. Any self respecting Christian would completly condemn both of these institutions IMO.

    I do appreciate that the Catholic Church has tried to resist change, but the direction they are going is clear in recent years. The Church of England I have absolutely no respect for and their misrepresentation of Christianity is degrading.

    If you wish to continue supporting the Catholic Church thats fine, they have remained solid on some issues, but personally I wouldn't stay within the Church if I was Catholic because I don't agree with this Negro Push they are doing for the position of Pope.
     
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    I did not leave the usa after a black-malato was elected president, so I certainly would not leave the Catholic Church if a black pope was selected. If I leave the Church, I would have to leave the Mass, the highest act of worship and the Eucharist, the body and blood of Christ, and I will not do that.
     
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    Fair enough.

    As I said, I have complete respect for Christianity, Catholicism, and Christians who practice true Christianity. I have the utmost respect for these people.

    My problem is with Liberals and their influence and impact on the Church, to the point where it damages to truthness and validity of the religion. I find it very offensive and disrespectful. What has happened to the Church of England is a disgrace and it looks like the Catholic Church is making moves in a "politically correct" direction as well, by always playing up black priests for possible future Popes.

    I certainly don't mean to offend anyone with my comments. But personally I wouldn't accept a black pope and I would temporarily distance myself from the Church.

    Anyways, as I said full respect to you and your opinion. You are absolutely entitled to hold your own viewpoint on your beliefs!
     

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