Some Reason For Optimism, But....

[snow]

with Pittsburgh you are assuming all black players are terrible, they have some talent, not much, but some, (they have a pretty good defense) and you have to figure they have gone against other teams with little talent. Its only a few games. Even the Broncos the other year started out like this and wound up horrible the rest of the season. You are ready to crown them, they beat Tampa Bay (Raheem's dream team)and the Titans (AHDIW), not exactly top notch teams, and then they lost to the Ravens, who actually have talent. The only halfwaydecent team they beat was the Falcons, which went to overtime. Their lack of talent at certain positions will catch up with them as well as the coach and they will wind up 8-8 at best this season. Edited by: snow

 

[sport historian]

There are other interpretations to my speculative thesis here; for instance, the players could have been reported as injured, when they really weren't. Outside of any credible report as to how Clark and especially Collie injured themselves so severely, apparently days after their last game, I'd say this is reasonble speculation. If one assumes the outcomes of the games are predetermined, at least to some degree, then the players would probably have an understanding of these things, at least by the time they sign their first lucrative contract.

I've answered the "Why don't they fix it for Vick" kind of questsions before. I'm not a part of those fixing the games, if they are fixed, so I don't know for certain who is going to be the ultimate winner in any given year. If I did, I'd be profiting immensely from that knowledge. But my question wasn't answered, either; how you explain Pittsburgh's success this season? Unqualified black coach, nearly all black roster, going 3-1 without Big Ben- how does that work, since under any non- fixed scenario, a team coached by Tomlin and full of sumos and AA players, should be one of the weakest in the league?

I am for everyone getting an equal opportunity, in whatever field of endeavor. In the NFL and the NBA, it is crystal clear that white players are systematically discriminated against, and have been for many, many years. Even if the games are fixed, I can watch them for whatever entertainment value they possess, much as I'd watch a sitcom or pro wrestling. And having more white players involved is more likely to attract my interest.

To clarify my "fixed" theories, obviously the games are actually played. There is real hitting involved, and real injuries happen. My point has been, and continues to be, that the officials, at the very least, manipulate the outcomes of games through the penalties they call, or don't call, at appropriate times. This is done, I believe, at the behest of league officials, who profit enormously from it.

I frankly don't care if any of you accept this. I'm used to being scoffed at, and have grown quite accustomed to it. I continue to maintain that the notion NFL games are fixed is less "extreme" and "crazy," in the eyes of most Americans, than that the league actively discriminates against white players. Also, keep in mind that the two groups who are essential to the survival of the Caste System-the DWFs and the jock-sniffing journalists-are apt to the be the most passionate defenders of the pristine nature of the NFL and would probably violently object to the idea of "fixed" games.

Put my posts in whatever forum you want.

Why wasn't it arranged so that Big Ben's replacements would run up big passing stats? Are Vick and the other black QBs on the injured list faking their injuries?

 

[Thrashen]

Since the news of Collie's injury were was first announced, I've been searching online articles to determine how the injury occurred. That particular detail is never mentioned.

I also watched the entire Colts-Redskins game. Collie didn't seem to be favoring his thumb or hand in any way. Then again, it could have been a chronic injury that resurfaced as a result of game contact. Perhaps the Colts waited until the bye week (for surgery) to limit his absence from the offense?

I also watched the entire Colts-Chiefs game the week prior. Strangely enough, despite Jon Clayton claiming that Collie would miss the game as a result of a foot injury, Collie wasn't limping whatsoever during the game.

The circumstances are indeed bizarre"¦but no more abnormal that the African Supremacist behavior exhibited by the commentators, analysts, coaches, owners, GMs, scouts, fans and seemingly everything else pertaining to this "league."Â￾

The Jeff Fisher "situation"Â￾ during the Titans-Jaguars game should be controversial enough to provoke legitimate concerns over the validity of "team decisions"Â￾ during each game. It's tremendously peculiar to think that a TV network is able to freely communicate with and/or influence the choices of NFL head coaches during games.Edited by: Thrashen

 

[Don Wassall]

There's no consistency whatsoever to Bigunreal's paranoia. He starts this thread by ominously "observing" that White players on some of the (relatively) most White friendly teams are faking injuries. But then when queried about, for example: the continuing failure of black quarterbacks, the continuing success of White ones; why so many black players are injured and comparatively few White ones are; why the relatively White friendly teams are doing better on average than the blackest ones, he reverts to his standard "I don't fix the games, I don't know why it happens that way." Well, you can't have it both ways. Either the "fixing" of games and injuries is related to race or it isn't.



Then, above, he says that "the officials, at the very least, manipulate the outcomes of games through the penalties they call, or don't call, at appropriate times." Yet at other times he has claimed that the NFL is no different than pro wrestling, that all the players are also in on the fix, that they are given scriptsbefore each game to act out and that every game is fixed, an assertionhe has also extended tocollege football games. He even claimed once that Drew Bennett was secretly ordered by theNFL to retire.

Bigunreal used to writetrenchant and biting commentary on sports and social issues.
Unfortunately, a year or so ago he became obsessed with his "every game is fixed" theory to the exclusion of everything else. The more the flaws and lack of consistency and relevancein his theory are pointed out, the more obsessed he becomes with it. Tis a shame.

 

[FootballDad]

I find this thread to be fascinatingly entertaining. Although things happen with teams and players that make you scratch your head sometimes, the assumptions that must be made about individual players in order to have these scenarios orchestrated would indeed be bleak. In my lines of work, I've been to quite a few NFL and major college facilities, and search though I may, I have yet to find the brainwashing/mass hypnosis room where the players are told/instructed on which injuries they have. "When I snap my fingers, you will suddenly develop pain in your wrist, and be unable to play!" Edited by: FootballDad

 

[Colonel_Reb]

It is an entertaining thread, although I prefer these not to exist on
the only pro-White sports site on the net. bigunreal used to write some
really good posts before developing a one track mind. I don't know what
happened, but I wish it wouldn't have.