Some Reason For Optimism, But....

Discussion in 'Happy Hour' started by bigunreal, Oct 13, 2010.

  1. bigunreal

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    With the success of Peyton Hillis, Austin Collie, Danny Amendola and Danny Woodhead thus far, this season has provided us all with some real bright spots. However, the Caste System will not go down easily, and several curious things appear to be happening around the league.

    -The Colts immediately installed the ultimate mediocre, hands of stone WR, Pierre Garcon, back as a starter last game. Austin Collie had set the league on fire while playing "out of position" on the outside, but his very convenient "injury" (which didn't appear to affect him on the field) provided a perfect excuse to reinstall Garcon and move Collie back to the slot.

    -Not stopping there, the Colts completely changed their offensive game plan, usually only keeping Garcon and Wayne as receivers (even Dallas Clark was kept inside to block), and Manning peppered them with targets, when he wasn't handing off to his awful RB Joseph Addai. The passing attack, which had featured huge contributions from Collie, Clark and even Blair White, was seemingly grounded on purpose. There was a blatant attempt to force the ball to Garcon, who, as usual, dropped or simply wasn't open on many of his numerous targets.

    -Finally, we now learn that the Colts put in a waiver claim for Redskins' bust WR Devin Thomas. Uh...why? Blair White has already shown more potential with very limited opportunities. And then you have former #1 draft pick Anthony Gonzalez. How are they ever going to fit him into their plans? The reality, of course, is that Garcon is less talented than Collie, White or Gonzalez, but continues to start over them because the coaches obviously don't play their best players.

    -Now the Patriots. Just when it seemed that their offense was going to be one for the ages; with the trade of Moss, Edelman would move to the slot, and Woodhead would almost certainly have more opportunities, they trade a #4 draft pick for an old, never was, perpetually injured Deion Branch. Again, why would any team do that, other than to hold back the likes of Edelman? I thought Belicheck was such a genius- but if he actually gave up ANY draft pick for this overpriced derelict receiver, let alone a fourth rounder, he is either an idiot (don't think so), or he was ordered to do so by the league. You mean to tell me that the Patriots think that Randy Moss is only worth one round higher of a draft pick than Deion Branch?

    -Peyton Hillis, just when he has seemingly won over the jock sniffers and the DWFs, develops a thigh injury. Hmmm. That always seems to happen, doesn't it? Just like last time, when he'd won over the Denver fans, he just happened to suffer a devastating injury. I don't believe in that many coincidences. Sorry, it just happens too often, especially given how infrequently white RBs and WRs are allowed to dominate. What are the odds that the two biggest cinderella stories this season- Austin Collie and Peyton Hillis- would both happen to get injured at the same time? And injury is the ONLY thing that could have taken Collie's job away, or threaten Hillis' number of touches and his quest for a huge, 1000 yard + season.

    The next several weeks will be crucial, in terms of how this season actually pans out; will this be the beginning of the dismantling of the Caste System, or will a series of "coincidences" and predictable reactions by Castean enforcers put Collie, Hillis, Woodhead and co. back in their proper places? Edited by: bigunreal
     
  2. Westside

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    Sorry Bigunreal, I just can't buy it. For it to make perfect sense, Hillis and Collie would have to go "along" with their respective faux injuries. In essence a critical part of the castean conspiracy. No, I believe they sustained real injuries like the dozen of affelets the past week. No way is Hillis, Collie, Woodhead parts of the caste conspiracy.
     
  3. DWFan

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    Please keep posting!
     
  4. white lightning

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    I'm feeling where bigunreal is coming from. The Colts just automatically started ignorring the white recievers almost overnight. I have a hard time buying that Collie was serously hurt. Even the Pats ddinn't need to go and sign branch. It's just another ploy to hold whitey down. I do believe that Hillis was playing with a significant injury though and it showed. That was just bad luck. Like I said in a previous post, the Browns should not make Hillis practice much. Just have him game ready.
     
  5. TorontoArgos

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    I think the Hillis injury is bad luck.

    As for the rest of the stuff you're talking about, it all does seem straight from the script. Edelman also showed plenty of potential after Welker's injury. A 4th round pick for Branch is ridiculous. He is worth a 7th rounder at best, and even that is very debatable. Now that they gave up a 4th rounder for Branch they will have to play him ahead of Edelman...this is certainly very weird.

    The Colts change of game plan clearly back fired last game and they were lucky to squeak out a win thanks to an inept KC offense. They would truly be a bunch of clowns to not reduce Garcon's role and give Collie more targets.

    Another thing I'll point out is these teams are two of the whitest in the league, very peculiar indeed.
     
  6. GreatLakeState

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    Yes, Hillis' injury is all party of a conspiracy [​IMG]
     
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    Collie's intentional lack of targets is the same "Colts Phenomenon"Â￾ that used to always occur to Brandon Stokley the next game after logging a dominating performance in the previous week. It is indeed a "conspiracy,"Â￾ but only in the sense that the Colts are attempting to avoid the national stigma of being a team that "favors whites."Â￾ Their solution is simple (and has been used by dozens of other teams in order to curve white success)"¦eliminate the possibility of their white receivers outperforming their black receivers. As Bigunreal mentioned, Collie, White, and Clark were fundamentally removed from the offensive game plan against Kansas City. This occurred (but to a lesser extent) against Jacksonville in Week 4, where Wayne was targeted on nearly every passing down.

    The Patriots' ridiculously unnecessary trade for Dieon Branch was supposedly initiated by Tom Brady. I remember when Branch was traded to Seattle; they gave New England a 1st round draft pick. Now, five unproductive, injury-ridden seasons later, Branch is still worth a 4th round pick? Not even the most zombified of nut-huggers could understand this logic. With Tate, Welker, Edelman, Gronkowski, and Hernandez, Branch is likely to disappear in the same manner as Joey Galloway did during his tenure with the Patriots. During the off-season, the Patriots also attempted to resurrect the waning career of Torry Holt, but to no avail. Hopefully Branch bears similar fruits.

    Hillis' injury seems to have occurred legitimately during practice and noticeably bothered him during the Falcons game. If the ultra-washed-up Jake Delhomme wouldn't have fumbled a snap on the 1 yard line, Hillis would have scored both a rushing a receiving touchdown. It's very unlikely that Hillis will miss time against the Steelers.

    As usual, Bigunreal is correct"¦.most issues concerning the NFL rarely make any sense. Then again, they don't really have to"¦for decades, nobody questioned anything, ever. Things are changing.Edited by: Thrashen
     
  8. alln2

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    Hillis must have been injured "accidentaly", "unintentionally", by one (or more) of his team's defenders.

    They do make perfect sense, once you understand that NFL is an Anti-White player organization. They are in the business of worshiping negroes, of presenting them as "the ultimate, superior athletes" with "room brigthening smiles" and other BS.
     
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    Right, of course, I do understand that. I was merely concluding that NFL happenings shouldn't even make sense to those who fail to become cognizant of the System.

    However, I suppose it takes a rare individual to defy the modern psychotherapy of Cradle-to-Grave Afrocentrism.

    I haven't heard any news of how Hillis' thigh injury took place.
     
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    The Deion Branch signing is absolutely ludicrous. The Patriots received a 3rd round pick for Moss, supposedly one of the games great receivers. Belichik is lauded as a genius for stockpiling draft picks and knowing when to get rid of players. Then he gives back a 4th round pick for Deion Branch, a 31 year old receiver who never had a 1000 yard season and his production has declined each year for the last 5 years. Why do they need Branch? I can't link it, but the BostonHerald.com has an article which states that Julian Edelman will serve a (racial) apprenticeship behind Branch. As a small, (unproductive) possession receiver, Branch does not replace Moss in any way, he only takes Edelman's touches.

    The Patriots, with Brady, an all-White O-line, Woodhead, Welker, Edelman and Gronkowski, could have fielded 10 White offensive players and it would possibly be the best, most explosive offense in the league. It could have brought the NFL cabal to its knees. Now, insert Deion Branch...whatever, I hate the NFL.
     
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    Fielding 10 whites on offense was quite simply too much to handle. They had to acquire branch from an optics point of view, apparently.
     
  12. Don Wassall

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    Why don't we see what role Branch actually has before we reach all kinds of dark conclusions. If Seattle had little use for him it's unlikely New England will either. Minor transactions of this type are regular occurrences. Putting in a waiver claim for Devin Thomas means nothing.

    The idea that players are ordered by the league to fake injuries assumes (again) that every player in the league is a knowing felon. If Hillis was faking his injury last Sunday, his real calling is in Hollywood. The ratio of black players being injured is higher than ever this season.

    Collie is a better receiver than Garcon, but Garcon's not quite as terrible as portrayed here. Wayne appears to be slowing down, the Colts are trying to groom Garcon for down the road. We'll see how things shake out. Collie's not going to have 150 yards every game, nor are the Colts likely to be playing 11 whites on offense any time soon. What they do have are two established receiving stars in Collie and Dallas Clark.

    Ripping on the two most white-friendly offenses in the league seems strange to me. Defeating the Caste System is a long-term, incremental process, which is not to say that this is what the Colts and Patriots are trying to do. What they're doing is giving white players as much of an opportunity as any team in the league. The Colts drafted and gave Collie an opportunity right off the bat as a rookie. Now in his second season he's recognized as one of the best receivers in the league, yet we are criticizing the Colts??? And criticizing the Patriots, who jettisoned Moss and have Welker, Edelman, Gronkowski and Woodhead -- all on the same offense???? Caste Football's Pied Piper of Paranoia is at it again.
     
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    I wouldn't worry about the Branch signing either if they hadn't given up a 4th round pick. Now they have to play him. Otherwise he would probably phase out of the league before long.
     
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    Thanks Don. Couldn't agree more, all we can do is wait and see. I seriously doubt a guy like Hillis would "fake" an injury after getting screwed over all this time.
     
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    Bigunreal, I respect your posts a lot and your a long time member of this site. We all agree that there is a caste system in sports and football especially. That's the reason everyone is here. Claiming injuries to players like Hillis is part of the system is ludicrous. You do know that in the two weeks Peyton went over 100 yards he had the most touches in the league right? I'd say that's the reason for his injury.
     
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    Where's Pollyanna when you need him? [​IMG]

    big, man I'm afraid you are way off the mark on this one.
     
  17. WHITE NOISE

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    Bigunreal, if Pollyanna were here, he would write that resisting positive forces with negative intrigue just because some skill players were not used for a game or two will hurt the collective Chi.No, no, no, put down that double decker, fat laden franken burger and clear your mind of all pessimism right now.

    Focus on Blair White, Collie, Hillis, Amendola, Clark and Woodhead. See them pounding the door of discrimination down.Support their energy with positive Yang and for God's sake, eat some soy!
     
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    So now, on top of Dallas Clark's sudden, possibly season ending injury (which didn't appear to affect him at the end of the Redskins game), there is the inexplicable news that Austin Collie may miss several weeks with a wrist injury.

    Explain how this injury occurred; we've been told that Collie was suffering from a lingering "heel" issue, that didn't seem to manifest himself on the field. It did, however, provide the team with a convenient excuse to insert Garcon back in the starting lineup, and push Collie back to the slot after his incredible start of the season. I saw the Redskins' game- Collie was never hurt, never held his hand, and looked fine during his final series. So...how did he hurt his wrist so badly that he's going to miss all that time?

    Yes, that Redskins' defense is pretty vicious, especially if you have a white wrist. Funny, isn't it, that during the game, it was Garcon who seemingly suffered an injury to his finger and/or hand. How that morphed into a severe wrist injury for both Clark and Collie is a great mystery. The primary beneficiary of these abrupt injuries is our old friend Pierre Garcon, who is certain to be peppered with even more targets than normal for the rest of the season. Collie's chance to be what he should be-an unquestioned starter-is now gone.

    Let's hope that Peyton Hillis and Danny Woodhead take care to watch their own white wrists. Evidently, they are extremely delicate things, with an unfortunate tendency to develop chronic trauma, even several days after game action. And they wonder why I believe in conspiracies...
     
  19. snow

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    I thought Collie had a thumb injury, not a wrist. The positive to this is Blair White will see more time playing and show that he is capable of starting. Collie has already shown he is capable of starting so when he comes back next year he should play, if not other teams know he can play. Gonzalez should be coming back and can show that he can play as well. Garcon will make a fool of himself. He will make the occasional big play but drop a bunch. I can't buy this conspiracy. Peyton is getting old and his window to win another Superbowl is getting smaller, he wants to win. He would have to be in on it, and I am sure he would rather have Collie and Clark to throw to rather than Garcon.

    Unless there is some conspiracy that only one white guy can have 1,000 yards receiving in one season. Kevin Curtis had one the same year as Welker. Walter could have one but Johnson was targeted like 75 times more than Walter. I understand Johnson is good but that is a lot, and there were times where Walter was open and Johnson was double covered. Walter was averaging more yards per catch and had the same number of touchdowns.

    besides, they said he will only be out a few weeks, they have a bye week so he won't miss that much time. He still will have a chance to go over 1k. Injuries like this does make me wonder, but then you watch the rest of the league and there are affletes who tackle themselves and are out for wind up getting injured. I just wonder how bad the injury is, because Collie with a hurt thumb could still probably catch better than Garcon.

    Just because you didn't see him holding anything doesn't mean it didn't hurt. White players tend to have a higher tolerance to pain and can play through it, besides your adrenaline is flowing when you are playing. Usually you don't feel it until the next day.

    and to think Peyton Hillis didn't have a thigh injury is ridiculous as for his previous injury, 95 percent of black players wouldn't have tried to make that catch, he went upside down for christ sake, do you think they choreographed that? Injuries happen all the time in football, go look at every team's injury list, there are a ton of players on it. We only have a handful of players at wide receiver and runningback, literally, so when one does happen we are screwed. The only way to beat this is to put more in the league which we don't have control of, several guys never got tryouts that are capable of going over 1k like Sharp, Lippincot etc. Someone asked to compile the list of black runningback busts, I looked at the list, tons of the guys never did much due to injury, if they did do something it was for short period and their career was over. Teams are even splitting carries and doing runningback by committee and these guys still cant handle the load, look at the Saints, both Reggie Bush and Pierre Thomas are injured, neither has finished an entire season healthy nor has either gone over 1,000 rushing. So not only do we have to hope that one of the few white runningbacks in the league gets significant carries, we also have to hope injury doesn't occur. Statistically this is a very hard thing to accomplish. Hillis looks to be healed so he is our best hope. The way the Pats use Danny our best hope is for him to get 1,000 from scrimmage this year.

    I enjoy most of your posts and think the refs try to influence games to a certain extent but this is off the deep end.

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    If Collie and Clark are faking injuries, per some secret directive from the bowels of the league headquarters, then they are felonious scum not worth supporting even when healthy, right bigunreal?

    And I guess the league must consider Joseph Addai an honorary cracker, as he too has an injury that may keep him out a few games. And yourfavorite playerGarcon has also missed some playing time this season because of injury. Go figure.

    Next I guess Jacob Tamme and Blair White will also be receiving secret orders to pretend to be injured.

    Interesting, because this season secret directives must also have been sent to the Browns, Patriots and Packersordering them to feed the ball toPeyton Hillis, Danny Woodhead and John Kuhn.

    And the league must also be secretly ordering the league to play a few more White linebackers and safeties, and to increase the number of Whites playing wide receiver as starters or backups.

    And the leaguemustbe secretly ordering black players by the bushelful to fake injuries, because an incredible amount of them have been injured in training camp and so far in the regular season. By contrast relatively few White playershave been orderedto fake injuries.

    I think the next step is to move this lunacy from Happy Hour to a new, special forum. I'll have to think up a good name for it.
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    I merely observed that Collie's injury is inexplicable. He was reported to have a "heel" problem that never seemed to bother him in games, but did provide an excuse to replace him in the starting lineup. How do you think he injured his wrist/hand so severely that he may miss several weeks? I was watching the Redskins' game, and he wasn't injured. So how did this injury occur?

    The same thing applies to Clark; again, while he was briefly shaken up in the game, he returned to action and didn't appear limited. Why, after a delay of several days, do we suddenly hear that these two players are so severely injured?

    I'm not saying they are faking injuries- I'm just making observations. Btw, how do you explain the success of the Steelers- who are one of the blackest teams in the league? How does that happen, especially with their lame, affirmative action coach? You can't attribute that to Big Ben, because they went 3-1 without him. Then there are the Bucs, who should be the worst team in the league, hands down. Almost no whites, and an even less qualified head coach. Maybe it's the white safeties.

    I can't understand how someone as sensible and broad thinking as you can so angrily dismiss all notions of professional sporting events being fixed. The Caste System is nothing if not a huge conspiracy, and obviously the teams don't play the best players, or even keep the best ones in the league, as is documented daily on your web site. Just this past week, Jeff Fisher admitted that the referees had asked him to call timeouts at the end of the game, so ESPN could get more commericals in. That doesn't sound like a legitimate request from people honestly officiating a sports event, does it? Kind of sounds like something from an entertainment event, or a reality show.

    The thing most people don't realize is that NFL, NBA games, etc. are not advertised as honest, non-rigged sporting events. If someone did conclusively demonstrate that the games were fixed, it wouldn't be illegal. No one is really being deceived, because the leagues don't guarantee a pristine product.

    I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about this. Even if you think I'm completely nuts, I still greatly respect you and what you've established here at Caste Football.
     
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    Of course you were -- that was the point of your post. You were "observing" that White players are told to fake injuries.

    I've posted many times that I think sporting events can be tweaked and even thrown. This is justyour usual attempt to confuse issues and stances by denying why you started this thread, which was about faked injuries, not about fixed games.

    I'll ask you again, not that I expect you to answer because that's not your style -- why should any of us support athletes who follow scripts to throw games and fake injuries?
     
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    When does Peyton Manning get more money? When he wins, or when he loses? Who decides? Do you think (finally) it's fixed for Michael Vick to win the Super Bowl this year? Why didn't they arrange for Vick to win it all years ago? Why haven't the black QBs been complaining that The Man isn't letting them win?
     
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    Don, how about crackpot theories and assorted delusions, as a another forum?
     
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    There are other interpretations to my speculative thesis here; for instance, the players could have been reported as injured, when they really weren't. Outside of any credible report as to how Clark and especially Collie injured themselves so severely, apparently days after their last game, I'd say this is reasonble speculation. If one assumes the outcomes of the games are predetermined, at least to some degree, then the players would probably have an understanding of these things, at least by the time they sign their first lucrative contract.

    I've answered the "Why don't they fix it for Vick" kind of questsions before. I'm not a part of those fixing the games, if they are fixed, so I don't know for certain who is going to be the ultimate winner in any given year. If I did, I'd be profiting immensely from that knowledge. But my question wasn't answered, either; how you explain Pittsburgh's success this season? Unqualified black coach, nearly all black roster, going 3-1 without Big Ben- how does that work, since under any non- fixed scenario, a team coached by Tomlin and full of sumos and AA players, should be one of the weakest in the league?

    I am for everyone getting an equal opportunity, in whatever field of endeavor. In the NFL and the NBA, it is crystal clear that white players are systematically discriminated against, and have been for many, many years. Even if the games are fixed, I can watch them for whatever entertainment value they possess, much as I'd watch a sitcom or pro wrestling. And having more white players involved is more likely to attract my interest.

    To clarify my "fixed" theories, obviously the games are actually played. There is real hitting involved, and real injuries happen. My point has been, and continues to be, that the officials, at the very least, manipulate the outcomes of games through the penalties they call, or don't call, at appropriate times. This is done, I believe, at the behest of league officials, who profit enormously from it.

    I frankly don't care if any of you accept this. I'm used to being scoffed at, and have grown quite accustomed to it. I continue to maintain that the notion NFL games are fixed is less "extreme" and "crazy," in the eyes of most Americans, than that the league actively discriminates against white players. Also, keep in mind that the two groups who are essential to the survival of the Caste System-the DWFs and the jock-sniffing journalists-are apt to the be the most passionate defenders of the pristine nature of the NFL and would probably violently object to the idea of "fixed" games.

    Put my posts in whatever forum you want.
     

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