Greatest athlete in the world

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It is official. Roger Federer is the greatest athlete in the world. Some may bring up Tiger Woods but for caste purposes golf is second tier and more game than sport. The 70's and early 80's were the boom times for tennis but the reasons are very complicated. Today on an international level tennis is probably the most popular sport in the entire WORLD. . Attendence figures these days are sky high and on the ground it is insanely popular. Just travel to a pro event and you will know what I mean. Audiences are very enthusiastic. It is the TV end that has come up short and that is due partly to ESPN coverage. They treat tennis as an afterthought when they don't have it on the air. Big mistake.


Then again check Sports Illustrated. Federer has yet to make a cover despite his magnificent run. Yet Michael Vick, who has never won a damn thing has been on the cover three times. To me this is clear evidence of caste bias any way you slice it.
 

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I think you're right about ESPN treating tennis poorly. They insisted on having most of their coverage of the Australian Open live, which meant most of it was on from midnight to six in the morning Eastern time. What's up with that? International events are routinely taped and then shown in normal viewing hours. The Summer and Winter Olympics are the best example, but it's true of many other major events.

It could well be that in the U.S., tennis like so many other sports is way too white for the Caste System's liking, the Williams sisters notwithstanding, which could be one of the reasons it has been downgraded in television coverage. Like Tiger Woods in golf, the Williams girls are freak exceptions to the rule of white dominance rather than the heralding of a new sport being conquered by blacks.

After the Grand Slam events I don't even know which tennis tournaments are the most prestigious anymore, because they are all pretty much ignored by the media. Even the French Open doesn't get much coverage.
 

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The irony is ESPN is showing more coverage time for tennis but I feel ESPN has spelled trouble since the get go. Pre ESPN tennis in the late 70's early 80'swas a popular TV sport. But ESPN played a game. They would cover certain sports and promote them to death ie college basketball. They are in the business of promoting their own goods not sports in general. Hence we have limited fans who can't see past their noses. And the sports pages have downgraded tennis in favor of local college hype etc. There are few tennis beat reporters going these days except for the big city papers like the NYT.


The Australian Open has been setting staggering attendance records the past few years. As have all the majors more or less.And the TV numbers down there are big too. There is a disconnect between American coverage and sports that are internationally popular. Even Sports Illustrated has cut way back on tennis coverage. When was the last time a major final was relegated to a one page synopsis? I even heard SI did not send a writer to Australia---is that true?
 

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Found out through the grapevine that yes Sports Illustrated did not send a writer down to cover the Australian Open. Mind boggling!!!!!! The biggest sports magazine in the USA doesn't feel it necessary to send someone down to cover an event that pretty much captivates an entire continent for two weeks? And need I remind anyone the Australian is one of four majors in tennis.
When the Williams sisters were dominating SI increased their coverage. Not to a super great level but the increase was noticeable enough with cover stories on Venus and Serena.
Call me paranoid but like hockey it is almost as if the American media dislikes the idea of great white athletes. SI should be ashamed of themselves. A disgrace.
 
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ABC/Disney/ESPN doesn't care a whit about men's tennis because it's a sport dominated by White athletes that White girls swoon over; in other words, it runs against the pro-race-mixing policies of the Hebes-in-charge.

ABC/Disney/ESPN only cares about women's tennis if the Wee-yums gorilleses are playing well. Since the sport is dominated by freakin' gorgeous Eastern Europeans that White males swoon over, it likewise runs against the pro-race-mixing policies of the Hebes-in-charge.

Federer is without question the most dominating athlete on the world scene over the last several years. Anyone who has played even one set of tennis (much less 3 or 4 or 5 sets a day for a week) knows how physically demanding it is. To maintain dominance in such a sport is downright Herculean, if I may engage in hyperbole.

During one of the epic Bjorn-McEnroe matches from 25 years ago, one commentator referred to tennis as "boxing without the blood." No one watching that particular match would have disagreed. The same is true today, except that today's players are bigger, faster, stronger, and playing with superior technology.

Tennis should be one of the most popular sports in the US, as it is in most countries around the world. (Don't get on your high-horse about soccer -- Soccer is the blue-collar sport for the masses, while tennis remains the province of the more civilized classes).

Several years ago, I attended the Lipton at Key Biscayne.We purchased all-entry passes for the early rounds and wandered around the complex all day, moving from match to match, watching a lot of great tennis at our own leisurely pace. It was as much fun as I've ever had at a sporting event, and I would do it again if I had the chance. If you ever get the opportunity to attend a professional tennis event, you'll be hooked. It's that much fun.
 

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I don't think it is some grand conspiracy per say. I believe the reluctance of sports media to give tennis and hockey their due is the firmly rooted belief that "athleticism of the greatest sort can only be performed by blacks." Look at the Steve Sailers of the world. They work from that premise onward. And this to me is the greatest problem in media coverage today. They even go blind to the facts at times as evidenced by no SI covers for Federer but three for Michael Vick.
 

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You're exactly right, Sunshine. We need white players to beat the System at its own game. We need more Federer-type players in football, basketball, boxing, and sprinting- especially football and basketball. We need them in all sports, of course. But we especially need highly athletic white athletes who can beat blacks in black sports.
 

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I am convinced that the media representation influences fans too. In other words many many fans truly believe unless a black is out there performing then the athletic equation is non existent. They are all "properly trained" like robots to NOT ACKNOWLEDGE superior white athleticism even when it is staring them in the faces like Federer. It is like a plague or something and too many sportswriters feed into this sickness. The media does allow for great white players in various sports but they routinely negate that notion by making people think it is not because of their fast twitch muscles etc..
 

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sunshine said:
In other words many many fans truly believe unless a black is out there performing then the athletic equation is non existent.

Perfectly stated.

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They are all "properly trained" like robots to NOT ACKNOWLEDGE superior white athleticism even when it is staring them in the faces like Federer.

Yep. Federer beating other whites is just not the same as a white athlete beating blacks (Wariner comes to mind.) People who are fans of white sports will enjoy and admire those white athletes, but the "establishment" will not grant those sports the same legitimacy that they give to black sports. Let's keep excelling in white sports, but white athletes must force themselves into the black sports. They have to be there and compete there even though they're not wanted.

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The media does allow for great white players in various sports but they routinely negate that notion by making people think it is not because of their fast twitch muscles etc..

Agree again. Of course, oftentimes this creates a contradiction. Take Steve Largent. People will say that he was great because he ran great routes, great hands, tough competitor, etc. But not because he was fast. But at the same time, people think that it's okay that white players don't get the scholarships, high draft picks, contracts, playing time, etc., when they're not physical freaks. Well, neither was Largent! So which is it: was Largent great despite not being "athletic," or should we deny players opportunities for not being "freaky athletes?" Why deny white players the opportunity to try to become the next Steve Largent? It makes no sense. Not everybody can be a Lebron James or Terrell Owens, white or black. That's just the way it is.

The greatness of white athletes is an inconvenience that people don't want to deal with.
 

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Good points JD. The relative "lack" of white athletes competing in sports where blacks are the majority (basketball, football) does serve to reinforce the stereotypes that blacks are superior and too many in the media--how many times have we heard basketball players are the best athletes in the world?--promote it and fans gleefully follow them down that path.
 

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I've heard Tiger Woods referred to in the media as "the greatest athlete in the world." Does anyone think Jack Nicklaus in his prime -- a prime that lasted 20 years -- was referred to as even a great athlete much less the world's greatest? Golfers are considered non-athletes, except for one.

If a black male tennis player ever becomes the best in his sport, it's a cinch that he'll routinely be called the greatest athlete in the world, or at least among them.
 

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Shouldn't the world's best decathlete(decathlon) be considered the best athlete. I believe that would be Roman Seberle. The decathlon is the best combination of speed, endurance, strength and leaping ability there is. How can a tennis player, golfer and yes even a basketball player be considered the best athlete. You can say Roger Federer is the most dominant athlete and at times you could say that about Tiger but not the best athlete.
 

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From the archives of J. B. Cash's column:

WORLD'S GREATEST ATHLETES

(8/15/04) At the 1912 Olympic Games in Stockholm, King Gustav V of Sweden proclaimed to the decathlon winner, an American of Irish descent, Jim Thorpe: "You sir, are the world's greatest athlete."

Since then the Olympic decathlon champion has been dubbed "the World's Greatest Athlete." The title is properly given since the decathlon is the only objective test of all around athletic ability. Decathletes must contest ten separate events and have those performances tallied on a standard scoring table. The decathlon measures basic sporting ability like jumping, sprinting and throwing. It is a test of a complete range of physical skills, not just one single skill. The event has been dominated by great white athletes like Bob Mathias and Bruce Jenner. The history of decathlon winners have been a showcase for white athletic prowess and ownership of the title "World's Greatest Athlete."

The history of the decathlon began 26 centuries ago when the Greeks created an all-around test, the pentathlon, for the ancient Olympic Games. The ancient pentathlon consisted of a long jump, discus throw, javelin throw, a sprint and ended with a wrestling match. The Greeks invented the pentathlon to ascertain their best all around athletes.

While most of the rest of the world was crawling around in mud huts and caves, the Greeks introduced the pentathlon at Olympia in 708 BC and continued unabated every fourth year for almost eleven centuries. The first Olympic winner was Lampis, a young Spartan. And we know that Gorgos, of the small town of Elis (near Olympia), won four ancient pentathlons. The pentathlon was not just an Olympic event. By the 6th century BC major religious games were held in Corinth, Delphi and Nemea. And secondary athletic festivals were conducted in most towns of the Greek world. Athletes could and did compete in numerous pentathlons annually.

The popularity of the pentathlon varied over time and from person to person. Some, like Aristotle, had lofty respect for the pentathlete's combination of speed and strength. Others, like wrestler Plato (his name means broad shouldered), considered the pentathlete a mediocre performer. The last recorded ancient Olympic pentathlon winner was Publius Asklepiades of Corinth who won in AD 241. In A.D. 393 Roman Emperor Theodosius I, a Christian, closed all pagan sanctuaries, including Olympia, effectively ending the ancient Olympic Games. The site was abandoned and over the centuries, buried by nature and earthquakes. In the 19th century German archaeological teams excavated the ancient Olympic site. Soon thereafter the Greeks and the Baron Pierre de Coubertin promoted a revival of the Olympic Games.

Many of the ideals of higher civilization faded as Greece and Rome declined. But the ideal of a versatile, all-around athlete was never lost amongst European people who have always sought to better themselves through athletic achievement. Other areas of Europe had their own contests. During the Viking era (approximately A.D. 800-1250) Norsemen had to pass a number of athletic tests, mostly military in nature. Contests for Vikings included running, wrestling, throwing heavy spears and even dashing over moving oars.

During the Middle Ages, knights periodically tested their skills in tournaments, many of which used a point scoring system. Aspirants had to pass multi-event tests before knighthood. Knights were asked to excel in numerous physical and martial skills. Treatises on educational reform in the middle of the sixteenth century called for youths to know how to ride in armor, vault on horseback, practice weightlifting, run, wrestle and jump for distance and height. By the early seventeenth century Robert Dover, an aristocratic English lawyer, reinstated the Olympic Games. These annual affairs, The Olympik Games of the Cotswolds, began in 1612 and lasted more than two centuries. Thousands, including William Shakespeare, came to watch the Cotswold Olympiks which proved very popular.

The Renaissance and the Enlightenment Era began the age where Western culture would be dominant. Advances in technology and economics provided Europeans with free time. In the mid 1700s, in Dessau, in what is today Germany, students competed in a school pentathlon, a combination of the ancient Greek version and knighthood skills. And, in 1792 in Stockholm, Sweden, an 'overall' champion was crowned using a three-event contest (running, throwing a large stone, swimming).

All-around competitions were held in Ireland in the middle of the 19th century. Another English Olympic revival, the Much Wenlock Games, offered a pentathlon in 1851, the events being a high jump, long jump, putting a 36 pound stone, half mile run and climbing a 55-foot rope.

Large numbers of Scots, Irish and Germans immigrated to America during the 19th century and they brought their games with them. The Scottish Caledonian Games, German Turners and US colleges fostered the return of track and field, which became popular after the Civil War. Many American meets had an "all-around winner," usually the athlete winning the most events or places. The concept was formalized in 1884 when the US designed a national championship All-Around. This evolved into ten events (100 yards, shot put, high jump, 880 yard walk, hammer throw, pole vault, 120 yard hurdles, 56 lb. weight throw, long jump and one mile run) contested in a single day, with only 5 minutes rest between events.

In 1880 an all-around championship was held at the German Gymnastics Championships. It included a stone throw, pole vault and long jump. By the 1890s several Scandinavian nations were offering a pentathlon, exactly the same as the ancient Greek event.

In 1904, the AAU held their All-Around championships in conjunction with the Olympic Games of St. Louis. Tom Kiely, an Irishman, won easily, becoming the first Olympic multi-event track champion in 16 centuries. At the 1912 Olympic Games of Stockholm the Swedish organizers planned a "modern" pentathlon (based on military events), a track and field pentathlon (based on the ancient variety, substituting the 1500 meter run for wrestling) and a decathlon, a ten-event contest.

The Scandinavians took to the decathlon like fish to water. In fact, all but one Olympic decathlon medal awarded before World War II were won by decathletes from either the United States or a Scandinavian nation. American achievements were chiefly a result of talented ex-collegians from America's heartland taking up the event once every four years. Scandinavian success was evidence of a multifaceted view of physical education.

In 1920 Norwegian soldier Helge Lövland edged Brutus Hamilton of the University of Missouri by smallest margin, before or since, in Olympic decathlon history. Four years later in 1924, in 113- degree heat on Paris's 500 meter track, Harold Osborn, a former student at the University of Illinois, won the gold medal just days after he also won the Olympic high jump title. He remains the only athlete to have won both the decathlon and an individual event.

In 1928 in Amsterdam, a pair of Finns, Paavo Yröjla and Akilles Järvinen, captured the gold and silver medals. Ken Doherty of Detroit, Michigan won the bronze. A University of Kansas football and basketball star, "Jarring" Jim Bausch, turned back Järvinen at the Los Angeles Olympic Games in 1932. Bausch is still regarded as the greatest athlete in the history of the University of Kansas, quite a feather when one realizes that four-time Olympic discus winner Al Oerter, Olympic 10k champ Billy Mills and hoop star Wilt Chamberlain were all Jayhawks.

Germans expected their world record holder, Hans-Heinrich Sievert, to win the Olympic gold medal in Berlin in 1936. But the United States came up with a used car salesman from Denver named Glenn Morris, a former student at Colorado State who took up the decathlon in 1936 and broke Sievert's record in just his second meet. Morris re-broke his own world record and led a 1-2-3 USA sweep, all of which was brilliantly captured by Leni Riefenstahl superb film, Olympiad, Festival of Nations.

In 1948, when the Olympic Games were held in London, a 17-year old schoolboy from California turned all the decathlon traditions upside down. The decathlon had been looked upon as an event for the experienced, older athlete. Yet here was Bob Mathias, during two miserable days of London fog, turning back the world's best. He was, and still is, the youngest track and field champion in Olympic history. And it was only his third decathlon. In the intervening years, Mathias enrolled at Stanford, starred as a running back and broke and re-broke the decathlon world record.

At the 1952 Helsinki Games Mathias became the first decathlete to win a pair of Olympic titles. He led another 1-2-3 USA sweep and won by more than 900 points, the largest margin in Olympic history. Although just 21, Bob retired, undefeated and four-time national champion. He starred in a movie version of his life, The Bob Mathias Story, then served several terms in Congress and was director of the United States Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs.

West German coach Friedel Schirmer, who had finished eighth at the 1952 Helsinki decathlon, raised his nation's awareness and popularity of the decathlon. In 1964 in Tokyo, the American decathlon winning streak, which began in 1932, ended. Germans Willy Holdorf and Hans-Joachim Walde won the gold and bronze, sandwiching Estonian Rein Aun.

Four years later Schirmer's athletes claimed all the Olympic medals. American Bill Toomey, a Santa Barbara English teacher, had trained with Schirmer in West Germany for a year. Toomey, Walde and his world-record holder teammate Kurt Bendlin went 1-2-3 at the Mexico City Games of 1968.

Eastern European nations, especially the Soviet Union, Poland and East Germany, began to emphasize and promote the decathlon in the early 1970s. At the 1972 Munich Games a Soviet, the lanky Nikolay Avilov became both Olympic champion and world record holder. Another Soviet, soldier Leonid Litvenyenko, and Ryszard Katus of Poland, won the remaining medals.

Bruce Jenner had set two world decathlon records in the months before the Olympic Games of 1976 and Montreal was to be a showdown with the defending champion, Avilov. From the opening gun it was obvious that Jenner was on a roll and after the first day, he was just a few points behind German Guido Kratschmer and Avilov. With his best events on the second day, Jenner steamrolled the field winning Olympic gold.

At the Seoul Olympic Games of 1988, a 6 foot-6 inch East German medical student, Christian Schenk, used a 7-5 1/2" high jump to propel him to the gold medal. East Germany's Torsten Voss, a 24-year old mechanic was second and Canadian Dave Steen, a Cal-Berkeley student, for the bronze medal. In 1992 shoe giant Reebok signed both Dan O'Brien and Dave Johnson in a multi-million dollar advertising campaign entitled, "Dan or Dave? To Be Settled in Barcelona."

The campaign raised decathlon popularity in the Unites States but neither O'Brien nor Johnson was fortunate enough to win at the 1992 Barcelona Olympic Games. O'Brien, suffering a stress fracture, was unable to clear a pole vault bar at the U.S. Olympic Trials and did not make the American team. Johnson won the Trials but suffered a broken bone in his foot just weeks before the games. He kept the injury secret, competed with a heart of gold and limped home with the bronze medal. Czechoslovakia's Robert Zmelik won in Barcelona and Spain's Antonio Penalver was second.

In 1996 Dan O'Brien reigned supreme winning the Olympic Gold. Frank Busemann, a 22 year old German, was a surprising second and Czech soldier Tomas Dvorak edged American Steve Fritz for the bronze medal. In the 2000 Sydney games Erki Nool, from the new country of Estonia won the gold and Roman Sebrle of the Czech Republic won silver.

A US athlete named Tom Pappas, who is of Greek heritage and has a large Greek fan base, is the gold-medal favorite in the decathlon for the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens. But one thing is for sure, the top winners of the event that carries the title "World's Greatest Athlete" will all be descendants of the people that make the best all around athletes: Europeans. At Caste Football we salute and cheer these "World's Greatest Athletes"
 

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If a black male tennis player ever becomes the best in his sport, it's a cinch that he'll routinely be called the greatest athlete in the world, or at least among them.

If a black male wins - The World Championship of Poker - he'll be called the greatest athlete in the world.
 

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Bart, that's actually happened, sort of. Poker is dominated by whites and Asians, but there's a good black player, Phil Ivey. He's only in his mid 20s and has won a couple tournaments and is probably among the top 20 or 30 players on the "World Poker Tour."

Anyway, a racially conscious friend and I were watching a tournament for a few minutes when the camera panned to Ivy and the announcer immediately referred to him as "the great Phil Ivey." It was a classic example of racial pandering. We both burst out laughing.
 

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..the camera panned to Ivy and the announcer immediately referred to him as "the great Phil Ivey." It was a classic example of racial pandering. We both burst out laughing.

It really is funny. Conservative talk show hosts will do the same with run of the mill black writers or pundits that are not liberals. Rush Limbaugh never mentions the name Thomas Sowell without having two words precede it. His full name it would seem is - The Brilliant Thomas Sowell.
 

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I think Thomas Sowell is brilliant. When you come from a race and culture(black) that is so monolithic and conformist to the same point of view and anybody different is a Uncle Tom or a sellout then escaping from all that and expousing the conservative viewpoints he does in his columns makes him brilliant and courageous too! Maybe to some degree it is a little over indulgence on rush's part but come on here..we need more Thomas Sowell's. It's of course a matter of opinion whether he is brilliant or not...one man's genuis is another man's fool.
 

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I think Thomas Sowell is brilliant. When you come from a race and culture(black) that is so monolithic and conformist to the same point of view and anybody different is a Uncle Tom or a sellout then escaping from all that and expousing the conservative viewpoints he does in his columns makes him brilliant and courageous too!

I love to read. You've heard about the type who reads the ketchup and pickle bottle labels at lunch? That's me. Being curious by nature, I delve into writings described as left wing, right wing, down the middle and to the far extremes. Guess what? For the most part, t'aint nothin new under the sun.

Thousands of writers have written about racial issues. But when Bill Cosby criiticised black behavior, repeating what others have already said, he became a fountain of wisdom, a father figure for America. Walter Williams regurgitates for public consumption what has been been voiced previously by thousands of people and he is labeld a national treasure. The same can be said of Clarence Thomas, who enjoys god-like status with Conservatives. Everyone in Judicial circles knows he is the poster boy for Affirmative Action and nobody accuses him of having a great mind....except for Right Wingers, who know it's BS, but they praise him anyway, because he agrees with Scalia, who often is described even by lefties as brilliant!

So Thomas Sowell writes a few books and articles telling us what we already know, but we love to hear it from a Black man, so we exalt him to the highest of heavens.

But when you sift through all the murky foam you'll find the same old lefty sludge lying at the bottom of the barrel. No differences between races, nurture not nature, IQ tests are flawed and miscegenation is wonderful. And on yeah, one more thing. Blacks would be riding high, if not for the influence of those ignorant, low-life - Redneck Scots Irish Hillbilly Crackers - who taught them how to be shiftless and no-account.
 

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Bart..so I gather from this post that you have no high regard for the intelligence or contribution to this country of Cosby,Williams,Thomas and Sowell. Is there any black person in this country that you think has made a contribution worthy of praise? I think it's a fair question to ask considering the post I just read from you.
 

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I like some of the stuff from Sowell, think Williams is a breath of fresh air when he sits in for Rush, and prefer Thomas' opinions more then anyone on the court, certainly better then Scalia.

What does this all mean? It means that when blacks embrace white culture they are likable. In fact most of the blacks I personally know and are friends/co-workers with are OK as far as I'm concerned because they are essentially living white.

I like my culture. I like it because it is natural to me and because my genes have evolved to adapt to it. I am at risk in another culture because I am not adapted to it and many times it is hostile to me. Problem is blacks, in large numbers and without strict white supervision will develop their own culture. A culture I despise because it is alien and dangerous.

Sure Thomas Sowell is a fine fellow, as is Walter Williams, unfortunately for every one of them there are a thousand P. Diddy's and Terrell Owens. The problem is in the numbers. There is just no getting around it as every white culture in the world is learning.
 

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Great stuff, Bart.

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But when you sift through all the murky foam you'll find the same old lefty sludge lying at the bottom of the barrel. No differences between races, nurture not nature, IQ tests are flawed and miscegenation is wonderful.

Right. I read a passage about IQ tests in his book, Ethnic America. Same old crap. Conservatives have plenty to contribute on quite a few issues, but the bottom line is that the vast majority of them are not racialists, and abhor people like us. We have to keep that in mind.
 

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Bart..so I gather from this post that you have no high regard for the intelligence or contribution to this country of Cosby,Williams,Thomas and Sowell. Is there any black person in this country that you think has made a contribution worthy of praise? I think it's a fair question to ask considering the post I just read from you.

I didn't think my post was that difficult to understand. I will clarify it for you. Williams has hosted Limbaugh's program on several occassions. He will talk about Milton Friedman and discuss the free market system. He holds the same views as many run of the mill conservative economists. But the callers will fawn over him and tell him what a great honor it is to speak with such a brilliant thinker. Oh my God... a black believes in saving money and doesn't think the government should be Sugar Daddy. He must be a genius!!! Let's all run over there and kiss his ring.

The act the same way when talking to Sowell. The times I heard him speak he stuttered so much it was almost impossible to decipher what he was trying to say. If I spoke before a group of blacks or whites and said the exact same things Cosby did, I would be called a an evil no good ignorant racist bastard and probably lynched. Cosby says it and he's a man of integrity and honor courageously speaking truth. He is a wise father figure to Americans everywhere. What a great mind, he should be the next president. How did he come up with these novel ideas?

If a black is not a multiple felon or hasn't killed too many people, can write a sentence and says ask instead of aks, he will be considered to be --Brilliant.

Contributions worthy of praise? The blacks who wanted to go to Liberia are high on my list. I generously applaud them amd their noble efforts. Wish to god we had more like them.
 

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I appreciate your post Jaxvid. I have a question for you. Do these "black friends/coworkers of yours know about this site and your role in it? I have always had alot of black friends in my life, some of them best friends and while I have talked to some of them about the caste system and white athletics..I have never and likely would never refer them to CF. I think I might be able to explain my postings to some of them but the postings from WS, Bart and SK I could never explain away. No slight intended to those men..I doubt that they would care what my black friends would think of them anyway. I don't know if my question to you has any relavance but I'm just curious.
 
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