Clint Eastwood-Gran Torino

[guest301]

I highly recommend to my CF brethren the new Eastwood movie "Gran Torino" I saw last night. The movie is so non-politically correct that it's breathtaking and shocking to hear some of the things that Eastwood's character says in this movie. The constant racial epithets were going on throughout the movie but in a funny way.

I don't want to give too many details away for the people who have not seen this movie yet. But the plot is basically about a recently widowed Korean war vet with haunted memories of his past and he has a disdain in particular for Asians in this movie. A very nice and large Asian family lives next door to him and the teenage boy and girl who live there are adorable and they are terrorized by this Asian gang in the neighborhood. Eastwood reluctantly comes to their defence one day and eventually bonds with the family even though the epithets continue to fly throughout the movie.

The movie is extremely funny even though nobody would classify it as a comedy. There is a particulary funny scene where a wigger(white kid) is walking down the street with his Asian girlfriend and three black teenagers rough up his girlfriend while the white kid does nothing and tries to get along wih these black kids by speaking their language and calling them bro. Eastwood rescues the girl and cusses out the white kid for being soft, a wus and trying to be too much like the black kids. I am not doing the movie justice by my description. It's a incredibly refreshing and at times heart wrenching movie. The young Catholic priest in this movie is also a pleasure to watch. I hope to see other reviews posted on this site as you guys make a point of going to see it. This movie should be a rite of passage for all Caste Footballers.Edited by: guest301

 

[LabMan]

I have not seen this movie,but did read two reviews in the local "birdcage liners",both told of Eastwood finally facing his lifelong bigotry issues,at the end of the film.They made it appear as if after all of these years he finally embraced diversity!


Michael Douglas made two movies some years back,"The Star Chamber",and "Falling Down",which were quite honest about the way things really are,has anyone here seen one or both?Today,these movies may be considered too politically incorrect to be produced.

 

[Bart]

I have not seen this movie,but did read two reviews in the local "birdcage liners",both told of Eastwood finally facing his lifelong bigotry issues,at the end of the film.They made it appear as if after all of these years he finally embraced diversity!

That is precisely how most people view it. Sorta like Archie Bunker finally gets religion.

 

[Electric Slide]

Yes I saw this movie on opening night, and it is certainly one of my new favorites! When you look at who the protaganists are, who the good role models are, and who's portrayed negatively, it is the opposite of 99.9% of all Hollywood movies. It was a refreshing change of pace from other movies I do enjoy and find entertaining, but fall into the PC trap all too often.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

I saw it last week and some aspects are disappointing from a racially aware perspective, but there was also a lot of symbolism that we could learn from in that movie. Compare the way he is treated by his familyto the treatment thathis elderly Hmong neighbor receives from her family (thanks White Shogun!). The decay of society coupled with the ills of integration is easy to see. This is a movie that should make a few DWFs (sheeple)think. I applaud Clint for making the film and for sending a message to those who would listen.

 

[GiovaniMarcon]

I haven't seen it yet -- the last movie I saw was Benjamin Button. Which I didn't like all that much.

Anyway, I like Clint -- I especially liked how he called out Spike Lee as a racist, basically told him to shut his mouth. It was because Spike Lee (aka Webster) was saying "Letters from Iwo Jima" and "Flags of Our Fathers" were "racist" films because they focused only on the white marines who fought against the Japanese marines.

I would like to see a movie where Eastwood shoots Spike Lee.

The Good versus the Bad and really ugly Hack Director.

 

[screamingeagle]

I remember "The Star Chamber." I mostly remember Hal Holbrook in this movie. This is the one where judges band together to get the criminals they are forced to release. They hire assassins to kill them. One culprit looks obviously guilty, then Hal Holbrook discovers evidence that he is innocent . I forgot if he prevented the killing or not. It brought up some issues about the dangers of vigilantism.
I think that is the movie.

 

[Tom Iron]

LabMan,

I respectfully disagree with you that Eastwood "embraced diversity." I think a man like that may be very more fairminded than people think. For instance, in the boy (tau/toad), Eastwood only sees a young man being brought up by women. He can't stand that and wants to help the kid. I can't stand the idea of so many women across this country bringing up boys by themselves either. I think any decent man would do the same thing with such a boy. Remember, in the film, he tells the girl to stay with her own kind after the incident with the blacks.

Very interesting movie overall. I may see it again.

Tom Iron...

 

[j41181]

Clint Eastwood is a class act, both as an actor and a director, one of the best ever in Hollywood history. I always enjoy watching his movies.

Spike Lee is the worst director ever (other than Michael Moore), it's always black this and black that for him. He is always living in the past. He always likes to push people around (especially whites), and his movies are the WORST!!!!!

God, doesn't that boy ever grow up?Edited by: j41181

 

[LabMan]

Good morning Tom,


Always enjoy your posts!,I did'nt mean that Eastwood embraced diversity,my opinion was that was the way the reviews spun it,I feel that there are members of our society that may say after reading a review,"well if diversity is good for a star such as Eastwood,it's good enough for me",or perhaps,'if a guy such as Clint can admit to issues of bigotry,so can I.


Such is Hollywood influence,even though many feelings are based on real life experiences.

 

[guest301]

Glad to know so many people have already seen the movie. I know how the liberal critics(is there any other kind) have spun the movie in saying that Eastwood embraced diversity at the end. The only thing that Eastwood embraced in this movie was his own humanity and coming to care for a Asian family that embodied all the things that his own spoiled narcissistic family didn't have. Eastwood was spewing racial epithets all the way through the end of the movie, so he definitely wasn't embracing diversity. It was also nice seeing a real down to earth Catholic priest portrayed in this film who really cared for his flock and didn't have all the issues usually associated with priests in the movies. I will definitely see this movie again.

 

[DWFan]

Thanks for your view on this film, Aragorn. I'm a big Eastwood fan but I wasn't planning to watch this--I'm going to rent it now though.

 

[guest301]

Thanks for your view on this film, Aragorn. I'm a big Eastwood fan but I wasn't planning to watch this--I'm going to rent it now though.

Your welcome. It may be a few months before it can be rented, although my supervisor at work saw a bootleg copy someone brought over to his house last night. I never got into people committing at what I guess is a felony to watch a $9.00 movie.

Edited by: guest301

 

[DixieDestroyer]

Thanks fellas. I loved the old Eastwood "spaghetti" westerns & Dirty Harry movies. Given your reviews/comments, I'll probably check this one out (as "Mystic River" & "Million Dollar Baby" sounded like complete crap & "The Bridges of Madison County" was a chick-flick).

BTW, Falling Down had some good scenes. The army surplus scene is hilarious! (until the very end)....."What is THIS doin' in there??!!! F_GGOT SH_T!!!!!"

"Failing Down" - Surplus Store SceneEdited by: DixieDestroyer

 

[Jimmy Chitwood]

there is an angle in this movie that i really liked, and one i don't think anyone here has mentioned yet.

Eastwood's character, a man who espoused traditional values and virtues, was shunned and misunderstood by his own children/grandchildren. these were white folk who had bought into the whole "modern" view of what success/happiness is supposed to be. in this twisted lifestyle, they turned their backs on the one man they knew who could be counted on, the one man they knew they could go to in a time of need (and they often did go to him asking for help!) they just weren't at all appreciative, and the backwards-living yuppy idiots blamed him for his being disgusted by their behavior.

meanwhile, a completely foreign, but tradition-minded, group of immigrants who couldn't even stand Eastwood's character came to respect and admire this white man of strength and uncompromising will.

i think this says a lot about how far modern white America has strayed from what made it strong. they abandon virtue and strength and label them as vice. meanwhile, they fill themselves with an orgy of vices and call it virtue.

it sickens me, and the disease is killing this country.

 

[White Shogun]

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Jimmy, me and Reb discussed something along those lines in PM's about the movie a few days ago. The Hmong grandmother is Clint's counterpart in their culture. The difference in how the two are treated by their families is quite striking. They're ready to send Clint to the old folks home while the grandmother is still practically the matriarch of the family, well respected and even admired. It's symbolic of traditional values more than it is white v Hmong values, imo.

In one of the early scenes, old white people are portrayed leaving Clint's house in a stream. Conversely, younger Hmong people are shown walking into the house next door. I told Reb that this symbolized to me, purposely or not I do not know, the demographic change underway in America. White America is an aging, dying population... 'exiting' this country (the house) if you will, being replaced by immigrants of a different sort with a higher birth rate. In one scene it is a completely riveting picture of America, if one has the eyes to see it. I can't help but think it was meant to be portrayed that way.

The whole movie to me has a since of angst about it, a sense of loss, of mourning of lost values and tradition. I could be wrong but that's how I saw it. I think it's a great movie and highly recommend it.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

It sickens me too JC. Shogun and I were discussingsome fairlysimilar observations in PM, and it is shameful how far we have fallen as a people. I can only hope that whites will wake up before it is too late.

 

[jaxvid]

Note that the Hmong population of Detroit is about 0%. There are no-none-Asian neighborhoods of any kind. I don't know why they picked Detroit for the movie but that aspect is very inaccurate. I also think the selection of asians was intentional by Clint to avoid the repurcussions of the many special interest groups that represent the other coloreds among us. I haven't seen the movie but will soon.

 

[guest301]

I have enjoyed reading all these posts and am glad to know so many have already seen the movie and recommend it to others. I wanted to make another observation about the movie not mentioned so far here. I may be wrong about this but of the 50 or so racial epithets uttered in this movie I don't remember the "N" word spoken once. I personally never use that word but don't appreciate how that word has exalted status over every other racial epithet. Does anybody else remember Eastwood using that word in the movie maybe when he was confronting those three black hoodlums on the street corner? I know he used spade and spook. Whats funny is even when the white old timers were speaking to each other in the movie, they used words like polock, dago and irish mic as if they were nothing, no big deal.

 

[The Hock]

I was going to pass on this, because I just didn't like the premise; Aged white man (combat vet) shunned by own family and trapped in a "changing" neighborhood. But now I have to to see it. Sounds like it's nuanced in a way most current Hollywood products aren't permitted to be.

 

[jaxvid]

I have enjoyed reading all these posts and am glad to know so many have already seen the movie and recommend it to others. I wanted to make another observation about the movie not mentioned so far here. I may be wrong about this but of the 50 or so racial epithets uttered in this movie I don't remember the "N" word spoken once. I personally never use that word but don't appreciate how that word has exalted status over every other racial epithet. Does anybody else remember Eastwood using that word in the movie maybe when he was confronting those three black hoodlums on the street corner? I know he used spade and spook. Whats funny is even when the white old timers were speaking to each other in the movie, they used words like polock, dago and irish mic as if they were nothing, no big deal.

I just saw Dirty Harry the other day, hadn't seen it for a while. In one part of the movie the police chief is introducing him to his new partner, a Mexican, Dirty Harry (Clint Eastwood) is none too thrilled. The police chief tells the other guy "don't worry about it, Harry doesn't like anybody: chinks, micks, spades, dago's...."
The guy asks Harry: "What about latinos?"
Harry replies: "Especially spics!"

 

[whiteathlete33]

I haven't seen this movie yet but I intend to very soon.

 

[Jimmy Chitwood]

excellent post Shogun.

you and the Colonel are spot on.

also, guest301, you are correct in that Eastwood's character never uttered the so-called n-word in this movie.

 

[GiovaniMarcon]

The most pathetic thing about whigger males is that there is no other way to look at them but with contempt mixed with pity, because they are losers through and through.

To decent white males, the whigger is a turncoat and an inconceivable freak. A wannabe, a weakling, a follower and a poseur.

To blacks, the whigger is nothing more than someone to be mocked -- to his face possibly, behind his back most definitely -- even when blacks befriend whiggers, the whigger in question will be exploited at every opportunity, whether it's constant hit ups for cash, or access to his sister and her white girlfriends.

No one likes a whigger, in the same way that no one respects a turncoat. Whiggers will be used for what they have, but no one will ever like them, really.

It's not surprising a weak white boy whigger in that movie refused to stand up for his woman -- not only that, but tried to be friends with their attackers. Any decent white man would have spat in those animals' faces and said "you'll get to her over my dead body," and would have taken at least two of the thugs down with him, one with a broken neck, the other with car keys jammed straight into his brain through his eyes.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Giovani, you don't have to beat around the bush man, just tell us how you really feel about wiggers.

Seriously though, I agree with you. Never give a moment or an opportunity to our enemies. The black flag treatment is the only thing that they will fear. Edited by: Colonel_Reb