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<div id="navbar">While googling the murdered Russian boxer Kobozev my own thread from the boxing forum I was on before popped up. I never got an answer to my question.
Who is checking the boxing gloves to make sure they are not "fixed"?
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<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">werewolf</div><div ="date">07-10-2007, 01:23 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">Stickman
wrote: "As for allegations of loaded gloves....it's virtually
impossible in boxing today. They keep to close watch on that sort of
thing."
How exactly do they do that? The ref sure doesn't check the gloves in
the ring. How do they prevent say a small sharp object from being
unobtrusively stuck in the lacing or something?
A few notorious glove-fixing cases that came to light were Panama Lewis
in 1983, Angelo Dundee fixing Clay's glove (and now the politically
corrected cover up of that incident in their attempt to rewrite history
and glorify Clay-Ali - I watched an ESPN film of Clay-Cooper fight
wherein they spliced together the rounds in which Dundee did his
criminal trick and made it look as though Clay had no additional time
between the rounds, and in fact they didn't even say a word about it -
and why hasn't Sir Henry Cooper been retroactively awarded the win in
that first fight?)
When I was in boxing in NY an old time trainer in NY - a relative of
Abe Simon who had fought Joe Louis - told me that it was common
knowledge amongst boxing insiders that Joe Louis' gloves were loaded
for his second fight with Schmeling.
So who checks the boxing gloves? And even if someone does check
them in the locker room, what stops something from being done to them -
like something sharp getting slipped in the lacing - between the locker
room and the ring? Didn't refs used to look at the gloves before the
fight started in the old days?
ww</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">niceguy45</div><div ="date">07-10-2007, 01:34 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">they need to check tito if he comes back, he is almost wearing a cast</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">werewolf</div><div ="date">07-10-2007, 01:58 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">Who inspected Lennox Lewis' gloves before or after the Vitali Klitschko fight?
ww</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">Randall_Hopkirk</div><div ="date">07-10-2007, 02:00 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">Who inspected Lennox Lewis' gloves before or after the Vitali Klitschko fight?
ww
Wladimir Klitschko, he suggested Lewis wear the lighter glove as an interesting experiment.</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">robjr</div><div ="date">07-10-2007, 02:06 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">dont doctors check them prior to fight and put a signature?</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">werewolf</div><div ="date">07-10-2007, 02:08 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">Wladimir Klitschko, he suggested Lewis wear the lighter glove as an interesting experiment.
I'm talking about inspecting boxing gloves for illegal alterations - like something sharp slipped into the lacing, for instance.
ww</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">Chipper</div><div ="date">07-10-2007, 02:10 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">Yeah some official checks the gloves and then signs them on the cuffs. But thats in the locker room.</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">werewolf</div><div ="date">07-10-2007, 02:11 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">dont doctors check them prior to fight and put a signature?
I don't know. And like I said, even if they do, something could happen
between that time and the time of the fight. Perhaps if they were
removed and inspected immediately after the fight, before the trainers
were allowed to touch them, before the fighters left the ring...
ww</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">werewolf</div><div ="date">07-10-2007, 02:16 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">I'm
not sure, but I think referees used to run their hands over the gloves
before the fight started, but they don't do that any more.
ww</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">ELPacman</div><div ="date">07-10-2007, 03:42 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">Depends
what they put in the glove. Can't always be beneficial to the fighter
in the long run. sh*t, might damage their own hand with something in
the glove if it's not accomplishing what they wanted. That or imagine
they punch so hard the object tears out the glove? Haha, that would be
crazy. If anything, the most common would be the way they hand wrap.
Gotta watch them handwrap and put glove on I say.</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">GranTorino</div><div ="date">07-10-2007, 03:50 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">The ref checks teh gloves. Usually when he visits the fighters individually in their dressing rooms when he goes over the rules.</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">werewolf</div><div ="date">07-11-2007, 02:36 AM</div></div><div ="posttext">The ref checks teh gloves. Usually when he visits the fighters individually in their dressing rooms when he goes over the rules.
So some crooked shyster Don King referee, like Randy Neuman, for
instance, checks the gloves? And even if the ref is legit and does a
legitimate check and signs the wrapping, so that's supposedly going to
assure that the fighter doesn't have a horse shoe or something in
there, but it does nothing to prevent some Panama Lewis-Angelo Dundee
clone from monkeying with the outside of the glove, like the laces. So
what this really boils down to is there is no real protection from
fixed gloves - and maybe Lennox Lewis' gloves were fixed when he fought
Vitali.
ww</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">tyson</div><div ="date">07-11-2007, 02:45 AM</div></div><div ="posttext">Maybe. It would ruin a fighters career to pull a stunt like that though.
And the gloves probably gets proper checked after the fight.</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">rudement</div><div ="date">07-11-2007, 02:46 AM</div></div><div ="posttext">they write an X on the tape as to being "checked"</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">BROOKLYN CESAR</div><div ="date">07-11-2007, 05:08 AM</div></div><div ="posttext">Doesnt someone from your team watch your opponent tape his hands and sign the tape and the gloves???</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">Hydro</div><div ="date">07-11-2007, 12:03 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">Panama Lewis should be shot.</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">werewolf</div><div ="date">07-11-2007, 12:13 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">Panama Lewis should be shot.
But there he is, big as life, still involved with boxing.
No, not very far fetched to think that these nice fellers running the
boxing show - Don King, the eastern European Mafiyas - would come up
with funny tricks so they could make extra money - like crooked refs
and judges (saying the latter is really redundant - like saying
"crooked politician" or "unscrupulous car salesman"), getting fighters
to take a dive, doping fighters, and fixing boxing gloves, too. Even
killing boxers. Remember Kobozev? There's nothing really stopping them
right now.
ww</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">tyson</div><div ="date">07-11-2007, 12:29 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">Anybody knows the difference between gloves today vs old times?
People back in the day absorbed way more clean punches on average than
fighters do today. No, it's not because they had better chin, or
because boxers are stronger today...
How much padding had the gloves of, say, Ali's time?
The gloves looked like huge pillows
</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">McKay</div><div ="date">07-11-2007, 01:22 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">The present represenative of the State Boxing Commission (I think)
If you look, they're fighting in Texas for example, it will be written
in marker TEX on the tape, if in Las Vegas it will be a signature of
the guy who signed.</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">werewolf</div><div ="date">07-12-2007, 01:26 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">Anybody knows the difference between gloves today vs old times?
People back in the day absorbed way more clean punches on average than
fighters do today. No, it's not because they had better chin, or
because boxers are stronger today...
How much padding had the gloves of, say, Ali's time?
The gloves looked like huge pillows
It would be interesting to see a study of that. It would be somewhat
related to the way they have changed the baseball so that more homeruns
are hit now. But where can you find info on how the gloves are made and
how the manufacturers are required to make them and who, if anybody,
overlooks the process? But I don't think you can find this info, just
like I don't think you can find the actual rules of boxing. I think
that Don King and the Mafiya and the network media moguls just sort of
make them up as they go along.
ww</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">BostonGuy</div><div ="date">07-12-2007, 01:30 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">Along
with boxing commission officials, usually a rep from the other
fighter's camp witnesses the hand wrapping and the gloves being put on
and taped- which is a good thing. The more people watching the less
likely someone will even attempt to tamper with things...</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">werewolf</div><div ="date">07-12-2007, 01:43 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">But
still, like I said, that doesn't prevent tampering with the outside of
the glove and the laces after the inspection. Angelo Dundee showed just
how ready and prepared to do that sort of thing they are in Clay's
cheating so-called victory over Cooper. And like putting a foreign
substance on the glove, like maybe some of Liston's weird fights; like
putting something sharp in the lacing, like maybe Lewis-Vitali.
When they loaded up Joe Louis' gloves for Schmeling 2 - if they
actually did - they took the precaution of banning Schmeling's Jewish
manager, Joe Jacobs, from entering the arena right before the fight
started because they knew that old time boxing man would spot the
loaded gloves right away (They said they banned him because they just
found out he was indirectly involved in the liquor business because he
also managed Tony Galento who tended bar in Jersey City - like that
wasn't common knowledge! They were shocked, shocked I tell you,
shocked!). But who looks at the gloves nowadays after the locker room
inspection? Nobody.
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<div id="navbar">While googling the murdered Russian boxer Kobozev my own thread from the boxing forum I was on before popped up. I never got an answer to my question.
Who is checking the boxing gloves to make sure they are not "fixed"?
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<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">werewolf</div><div ="date">07-10-2007, 01:23 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">Stickman
wrote: "As for allegations of loaded gloves....it's virtually
impossible in boxing today. They keep to close watch on that sort of
thing."
How exactly do they do that? The ref sure doesn't check the gloves in
the ring. How do they prevent say a small sharp object from being
unobtrusively stuck in the lacing or something?
A few notorious glove-fixing cases that came to light were Panama Lewis
in 1983, Angelo Dundee fixing Clay's glove (and now the politically
corrected cover up of that incident in their attempt to rewrite history
and glorify Clay-Ali - I watched an ESPN film of Clay-Cooper fight
wherein they spliced together the rounds in which Dundee did his
criminal trick and made it look as though Clay had no additional time
between the rounds, and in fact they didn't even say a word about it -
and why hasn't Sir Henry Cooper been retroactively awarded the win in
that first fight?)
When I was in boxing in NY an old time trainer in NY - a relative of
Abe Simon who had fought Joe Louis - told me that it was common
knowledge amongst boxing insiders that Joe Louis' gloves were loaded
for his second fight with Schmeling.
So who checks the boxing gloves? And even if someone does check
them in the locker room, what stops something from being done to them -
like something sharp getting slipped in the lacing - between the locker
room and the ring? Didn't refs used to look at the gloves before the
fight started in the old days?
ww</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">niceguy45</div><div ="date">07-10-2007, 01:34 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">they need to check tito if he comes back, he is almost wearing a cast</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">werewolf</div><div ="date">07-10-2007, 01:58 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">Who inspected Lennox Lewis' gloves before or after the Vitali Klitschko fight?
ww</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">Randall_Hopkirk</div><div ="date">07-10-2007, 02:00 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">Who inspected Lennox Lewis' gloves before or after the Vitali Klitschko fight?
ww
Wladimir Klitschko, he suggested Lewis wear the lighter glove as an interesting experiment.</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">robjr</div><div ="date">07-10-2007, 02:06 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">dont doctors check them prior to fight and put a signature?</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">werewolf</div><div ="date">07-10-2007, 02:08 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">Wladimir Klitschko, he suggested Lewis wear the lighter glove as an interesting experiment.
I'm talking about inspecting boxing gloves for illegal alterations - like something sharp slipped into the lacing, for instance.
ww</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">Chipper</div><div ="date">07-10-2007, 02:10 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">Yeah some official checks the gloves and then signs them on the cuffs. But thats in the locker room.</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">werewolf</div><div ="date">07-10-2007, 02:11 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">dont doctors check them prior to fight and put a signature?
I don't know. And like I said, even if they do, something could happen
between that time and the time of the fight. Perhaps if they were
removed and inspected immediately after the fight, before the trainers
were allowed to touch them, before the fighters left the ring...
ww</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">werewolf</div><div ="date">07-10-2007, 02:16 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">I'm
not sure, but I think referees used to run their hands over the gloves
before the fight started, but they don't do that any more.
ww</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">ELPacman</div><div ="date">07-10-2007, 03:42 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">Depends
what they put in the glove. Can't always be beneficial to the fighter
in the long run. sh*t, might damage their own hand with something in
the glove if it's not accomplishing what they wanted. That or imagine
they punch so hard the object tears out the glove? Haha, that would be
crazy. If anything, the most common would be the way they hand wrap.
Gotta watch them handwrap and put glove on I say.</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">GranTorino</div><div ="date">07-10-2007, 03:50 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">The ref checks teh gloves. Usually when he visits the fighters individually in their dressing rooms when he goes over the rules.</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">werewolf</div><div ="date">07-11-2007, 02:36 AM</div></div><div ="posttext">The ref checks teh gloves. Usually when he visits the fighters individually in their dressing rooms when he goes over the rules.
So some crooked shyster Don King referee, like Randy Neuman, for
instance, checks the gloves? And even if the ref is legit and does a
legitimate check and signs the wrapping, so that's supposedly going to
assure that the fighter doesn't have a horse shoe or something in
there, but it does nothing to prevent some Panama Lewis-Angelo Dundee
clone from monkeying with the outside of the glove, like the laces. So
what this really boils down to is there is no real protection from
fixed gloves - and maybe Lennox Lewis' gloves were fixed when he fought
Vitali.
ww</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">tyson</div><div ="date">07-11-2007, 02:45 AM</div></div><div ="posttext">Maybe. It would ruin a fighters career to pull a stunt like that though.
And the gloves probably gets proper checked after the fight.</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">rudement</div><div ="date">07-11-2007, 02:46 AM</div></div><div ="posttext">they write an X on the tape as to being "checked"</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">BROOKLYN CESAR</div><div ="date">07-11-2007, 05:08 AM</div></div><div ="posttext">Doesnt someone from your team watch your opponent tape his hands and sign the tape and the gloves???</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">Hydro</div><div ="date">07-11-2007, 12:03 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">Panama Lewis should be shot.</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">werewolf</div><div ="date">07-11-2007, 12:13 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">Panama Lewis should be shot.
But there he is, big as life, still involved with boxing.
No, not very far fetched to think that these nice fellers running the
boxing show - Don King, the eastern European Mafiyas - would come up
with funny tricks so they could make extra money - like crooked refs
and judges (saying the latter is really redundant - like saying
"crooked politician" or "unscrupulous car salesman"), getting fighters
to take a dive, doping fighters, and fixing boxing gloves, too. Even
killing boxers. Remember Kobozev? There's nothing really stopping them
right now.
ww</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">tyson</div><div ="date">07-11-2007, 12:29 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">Anybody knows the difference between gloves today vs old times?
People back in the day absorbed way more clean punches on average than
fighters do today. No, it's not because they had better chin, or
because boxers are stronger today...
How much padding had the gloves of, say, Ali's time?
The gloves looked like huge pillows
</div></div><hr><div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">McKay</div><div ="date">07-11-2007, 01:22 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">The present represenative of the State Boxing Commission (I think)
If you look, they're fighting in Texas for example, it will be written
in marker TEX on the tape, if in Las Vegas it will be a signature of
the guy who signed.</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">werewolf</div><div ="date">07-12-2007, 01:26 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">Anybody knows the difference between gloves today vs old times?
People back in the day absorbed way more clean punches on average than
fighters do today. No, it's not because they had better chin, or
because boxers are stronger today...
How much padding had the gloves of, say, Ali's time?
The gloves looked like huge pillows
It would be interesting to see a study of that. It would be somewhat
related to the way they have changed the baseball so that more homeruns
are hit now. But where can you find info on how the gloves are made and
how the manufacturers are required to make them and who, if anybody,
overlooks the process? But I don't think you can find this info, just
like I don't think you can find the actual rules of boxing. I think
that Don King and the Mafiya and the network media moguls just sort of
make them up as they go along.
ww</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">BostonGuy</div><div ="date">07-12-2007, 01:30 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">Along
with boxing commission officials, usually a rep from the other
fighter's camp witnesses the hand wrapping and the gloves being put on
and taped- which is a good thing. The more people watching the less
likely someone will even attempt to tamper with things...</div></div><hr>
<div ="post"><div ="posttop"><div ="username">werewolf</div><div ="date">07-12-2007, 01:43 PM</div></div><div ="posttext">But
still, like I said, that doesn't prevent tampering with the outside of
the glove and the laces after the inspection. Angelo Dundee showed just
how ready and prepared to do that sort of thing they are in Clay's
cheating so-called victory over Cooper. And like putting a foreign
substance on the glove, like maybe some of Liston's weird fights; like
putting something sharp in the lacing, like maybe Lewis-Vitali.
When they loaded up Joe Louis' gloves for Schmeling 2 - if they
actually did - they took the precaution of banning Schmeling's Jewish
manager, Joe Jacobs, from entering the arena right before the fight
started because they knew that old time boxing man would spot the
loaded gloves right away (They said they banned him because they just
found out he was indirectly involved in the liquor business because he
also managed Tony Galento who tended bar in Jersey City - like that
wasn't common knowledge! They were shocked, shocked I tell you,
shocked!). But who looks at the gloves nowadays after the locker room
inspection? Nobody.
ww</div></div><hr><center>
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