Netherlands to close prisons

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Remarkable in this day and age. I wonder how their demographics differ from ours? Hmmm.

http://www.nrc.nl/international/article2246821.ece/Netherlands_to_close_prisons_for_lack_of_criminals


Netherlands to close prisons for lack of criminals
Published: 19 May 2009 16:31 | Changed: 20 May 2009 15:35
By our news desk
The Dutch justice ministry has announced it will close eight prisons and cut 1,200 jobs in the prison system. A decline in crime has left many cells empty.
During the 1990s the Netherlands faced a shortage of prison cells, but a decline in crime has since led to overcapacity in the prison system. The country now has capacity for 14,000 prisoners but only 12,000 detainees.

Deputy justice minister Nebahat Albayrak announced on Tuesday that eight prisons will be closed, resulting in the loss of 1,200 jobs. Natural redundancy and other measures should prevent any forced lay-offs, the minister said.

The overcapacity is a result of the declining crime rate, which the ministry's research department expects to continue for some time. (snip)
 
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They shouldn't worry. All the moslems they are importing will soon the empty cells.
 

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It's not totally what your thinking. Yes they have less minorities. But they are very very liberal. The space cadet with a drug addiction is a victim of his addiction and will be given methadone. Welfare families don't have to eat spam and wear Good Will castoffs. Shoot homeless crazy people are given a run with window girls by the government(I kid you not)
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. I remember in Denmark or Norway the government was so niave that when a Hells Angels club wanted to open a club the government subsidized their club...
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It saves a lot of prison cells when you're not running around arresting people for bags of pot or other petty drugs. America's so called War On Drugs is just another tool for the prison industrial complex. We treat what should be a public health issue, drug use/abuse, as a criminal issue. The aftermath is a situation where we have overcrowded prisons and release rapists, burglars, or basically violent criminals to make room for Joe Doobie. Who never was in anyway a violent person who caused harm onto anyone but himself.
 

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Hey, Detroit's got empty jails cells too! Here is a glimpse into the future, black police forces exhibiting the same work ethic they do in other jobs. It's just easier to do nothing then go through the hassle of fighting crime. And who can blame them? It's a thankless job with life threatening risks.

Why are the jail cells empty?
Sheriff, prosecutor say crime isn't dropping but arrests by police are
BY JEFF GERRITT "¢ FREE PRESS EDITORIAL WRITER "¢ May 28, 2009

Empty jail cells are normally something to celebrate, but Wayne County's top law enforcement officials say the hundreds of vacant jail beds are not because of a drop in crime or more reasonable sentencing. Floors of the downtown Detroit jail are empty because police are arresting fewer people accused of those crimes.

Altogether, three county jails that held about 2,500 prisoners a year ago now house 400 fewer inmates.

Sheriff Warren Evans said police are so slow to respond to some calls that the crimes never get reported. Prosecutor Kym Worthy was more blunt:

"We don't tell the truth about crime," she said.

Detroit has lost hundreds of sworn officers in recent years. The Police Department didn't respond to repeated requests for interviews with its top leaders, but it released preliminary statistics showing an overall decline in criminal activity this year, despite a 24% increase in homicides.

East-sider Joyce Betty, 56, isn't buying it.

Last February, a young assailant snatched Betty's purse, which contained $300 in cash, while she pumped gas at a Mack Avenue filling station. Surveillance cameras captured the crime on videotape, but police never responded.

Said Betty: "I have little faith in the Detroit Police Department."

Empty cells point to police breakdown

It's an incredible sight: In a city riddled with crime, entire floors of the Wayne County Jail in downtown Detroit are empty.

The seventh floor of the Baird Detention Facility, normally home to 128 newly arrested prisoners, is vacant. So are the ninth floor and half of the 12th floor. Another 128 beds at the Dickerson Detention Facility in Hamtramck are also closed. That adds up to more than 400 empty beds in Wayne County jails that, up to about a year ago, were filled with roughly 2,500 prisoners.

The main explanation is simple, according to the county's top two law enforcement officials: Detroit police are making fewer arrests, a dereliction so obvious it has led some Detroiters to conclude there's no point in even calling the cops.

"I've talked to dozens, probably hundreds, of people in the community who are telling me they never made a report because the police never came," Wayne County Sheriff Warren Evans said Tuesday. "The delay in response time is such that many, many, many crimes don't get reported."

Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy agrees, echoing Evan's assertion that decreases in reported crimes are misleading.

"We tell the press that crime is going down," Worthy said. "It's not going down; it's going up, exponentially, and we have many fewer officers on the street. We need to acknowledge the problem."

The Detroit Police Department did not respond to several requests for comment last week. Instead, a department spokeswoman, citing preliminary police statistics, said overall crime in the city so far this year is down 9.1%, excluding a 24% increase in homicides -- a trend that, if true, would partly explain the jail's decreasing census, especially for those awaiting trial.

In 2007, the Wayne County Sheriff's Department recorded 20,423 felony bookings. Last year, there were just 18,261 -- a drop of more than 10% in a single year. So far this year, bookings have continued to drop roughly 10%, said Undersheriff Daniel Pfannes.

But few city residents think a drop in crime is the reason. Ask east-sider Joyce Betty, 56. A young man snatched her purse, with $300 in it, out of her car while she pumped gas at Mack and Gratiot in February. Betty called 911 on her cell. Police never responded. "They made no attempt to contact me," Betty said, even though the gas station has surveillance tapes of the incident. "It's water over the dam, but I have little faith in the Detroit Police Department."

Neither Oakland nor Macomb Counties report comparable declines in their own jail populations. Both counties' cells remain full, despite innovative efforts to manage the population, Macomb County Sheriff Mark Hackel and Oakland County Undersheriff Michael McCabe say.

Pontiac, however, is experiencing a trend similar to Detroit's: Arrests have declined as the number of sworn officers has dropped from 170 to 65 in the last three years.

The Detroit Police Department deploys about half the number of sworn officers it did in the 1990s, and has lost roughly 1,000 officers over the last five years.

Even serious crimes aren't getting solved. Arrests are made in only 37% of Detroit homicides, compared to more than 60% nationwide. Officers have too little time to investigate, and they work with a community that often does not trust them. Detroit's shuttered police crime lab has raised more troubling questions about homicide investigations.

Another reason arrests are down is the closing -- for good cause -- of many decrepit, pre-arraignment holding cells under a federal consent decree that is mandating reforms. Six years ago, police held 350 in such lockups, compared to about 130 today. Shift supervisors, and probably officers, know when the lockups are full.

Evans said he offered to lease county jail cells for police lockups five years ago. Negotiations continue, but a deal should have been struck long before this.

Privately, some law enforcement officials also say Detroit police are frustrated by the added paperwork required for arrests under the federal consent decree. But that's no excuse for failing to perform. The consent decree, signed in 2003, might be a headache, but it's one the department earned by abusing the citizens it was supposed to protect, including mistreatment of prisoners in lockups and dragnet arrests of homicide witnesses. The department also had the highest rate of fatal shootings by officers among America's big cities.

Fundamental breakdowns in other basic services also decrease public safety. Copper thieves have made land-line phone service in parts of the city, especially on the east side, unreliable and sporadic. It's not unusual for phone lines to be dead when crime victims try to call 911.

No one is questioning the integrity or competence of underpaid Detroit police officers. They work hard and, in many cases, risk their lives daily. But the department continues to do 1970s-style policing, reacting to crime rather than using data-driven policing efforts. The Michigan Department of Corrections and other criminal justice agencies have information that would enable the department to focus its resources on people most likely to commit crimes.

"In dealing with crime, particularly violent crime, a data-driven surgical approach is the direction we need to go," said former U.S. Attorney Saul Green, group executive for public safety under new Mayor Dave Bing. "I do believe we have some improvements to make in that area."

Until then, floors of empty Wayne County jail cells -- normally a reason to celebrate -- should comfort no one.

JEFF GERRITT is a Free Press editorial writer. Contact him at gerritt@freepress.com or 313-222-6585.

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Many American nationalists think Europe is way ahead of here when it comes to organized resistance to the NWO and its immigration policies. And while the "democracies" over there make organizing and qualifying "third parties" much easier than here, liberalism and socialism have sickened and destroyed a large part of Europe.
It isn't The Netherlands, but this article on Denmark gives a very disturbing picture of what has happened to a large swath of our white cousins across the pond. As Screaming Eagle mentioned, Holland has brought in millions of Muslims to a country with a population of only around 16 million:

<DIV align=center>Brave New Denmark -
A Model For The USA?




Recently, I received an email from a former London Police officer, Philip Jones. Philip has given me permission to use his email and hisfull name.His powerful and highly articulateessaydescribes indetailwhat life in Denmark is like today, after living there more than ten years. Many of us have our own internal visions of what foreign countries are like which we may never have the opportunity to visit. These ideas are mostoften based on the media and classes in school. Butitwas a total surprise about what Philip had to say about Denmark and it's amazing placidlifestyle. I'll never look at a tin of Christmas cookies made in Denmark the same!
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<DT>Most people arequite aware that the UK is a model police state, tighteningthe screws a littlemore each day on its citizens. One could easily think that Denmark and perhaps other EU countries are following the same model. What we learn from Philip's detailed description of Denmark isthatthis is not the case. Denmark is a countrywith the most passive peopleone could everimagine. How this mindset was accomplished is a bit of a mystery. Perhaps the globalists found every weakness in Danish culture, exploitingeach oneto the fullest. It does appear it to be likePhilip has named his essay, "Brave New Denmark."
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<DT>The United States is turning into a hybrid of the UK and Denmark. New laws have been passes to help control what everyonethinks in the United States, while at the same time doing everything possible to help the peopleignore the effects of growing government behind the scenes.Draconian laws are quickly and easily passed by formulating excuses or events so people will not grumble too much.If everyone in the United States were as dedicated to the Constitution and Bill of Rights as Ron Paul supporters are, none of this would be happening.
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<DT>Today sports scores, video games and the internet are all that most people care about. They no longer care about each other or what big government is doing to them. A non-caring state of mind is also the same characteristic the Danes have as Philip so eloquently expresses. So without further delay, here is Philip's unedited email:
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<DT>'Brave New Denmark'
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<DT>Dear Ted,
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<DT>Before I begin, perhaps I should tell you something about myself. I am a 49 year old British man, married to a Danish lady and living in Denmark. Prior to moving here back in 1996, I had spent 15 years as Police Officer in London and before that 6 years in the military.
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<DT>I was raised in the industrial area of South Wales and come from `blue collar` stock. Up until quite recently, I had been a believer in the `democratic` process and a staunch conservative.
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<DT>My awakening began upon my relocation to this small, cold northern country. Up until then, I had `bought` into the consensus viewpoint, and although as a serving officer in London, I had been aware of all the rapid changes taking place in society, I had not realised that these changes were orchestrated and designed, as opposed to `evolutionary`.
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<DT>I had imagined that Denmark would be little more than a smaller version of my homeland. My wife was/is not much different in views and culture from myself, and our countries shared a joint history. For the first half year or so, I didn't take too much notice of my surroundings, as we were occupied with the day to day business of setting up our home and all those other mundane necessities.
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<DT>It was when I was able to sit back and take note of my new environment that I was struck immediately at how different Danes were from British people. My wife had lived in the UK for some years and I soon learned that she was not typical of her country folk. The most immediate, and annoying character trait I noticed was the habitual need Danes have to tell other people how wonderful Denmark is, and how much better everything is compared to other places. To even the casual onlooker, it was clear that they were deeply delusional.
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<DT>Denmark is an okay place, but no better and a degree worse than some places. It is small, with a population of around 5,000,000. Until very recently, it has been very homogenous, (and to a great extent still is) and somewhat isolated, tucked away as it is up on the top edge of Europe. In fact, if one wished to conduct a `social experiment`, few places would be better suited, or located. Add to this the truth that Danish people are by nature in awe of authority, compliant and passive. Forget the `Vikings` of yore. Most of them settled in Britain, Northern France and down the Volga.
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<DT>I began to question this pride in all things Danish. The food variety and quality was nothing like as good as in the UK. The public infrastructure was inadequate, and oh so slow. Monopoly was the name of the game in business. No competition whatsoever. Danish produce and Danish produce only was the rule of things. The sheer cost of living in the place was/is at least 2-3 times that of the UK, and yet everyone was asking me so proudly if I felt lucky to be living in Denmark. Then there is the much vaunted Danish Medical System. Again according to Danes `the best in the world`. But that's just the thing, it wasn't/isn't and the standards are droppingcontinually, whilst the costs of prescription medicine and Dental care, even on the back of this `public health service` are out of control.
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<DT>As a former London Police Officer, I was often asked to give lectures at Odense University, on matters relating to crime etc. Over the next few years, I gave dozens of these presentations, and was shocked at how unquestioning and compliant young Danish people were. They were immune even to provocation, which I used onseveral occasions in order to get a response, butusually to no avail. I was able to attend several classes over this period, and was appalled and shocked at the levels of Marxist/Feminist views being foisted on the young people. The history of their country prior to the end of WWII is just not taught at all, and very few Danes have any grasp of their country's past. Almost all the teachers were female (of a sort), and the classes themselves were overwhelmingly populated by girls. Almost every lecture I attended was weighted heavily towards a `European` future, and very few were not heavily biased in that direction. And yet, pardoxically, the `Denmark is the best country in the world, with the best education system, best medical system, best social system, best economy, ad nauseum was also a constant theme. This is the same message transmitted through every media outlet, and Danes take love of flag to a new height, even decorating Xmas trees and birthday cakes with that national banner. This apparent contradiction, caused me great confusion at the time, but no longer. Today, I understand.
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<DT>This acceptance/compliance extended into society in general, where complaints against the system of any kind were in very short supply, or non existent to be truthful. With every new law, or government inspired price increase or tax hike, would come the standard response "there's nothing you can do about" or in Danish, "Saadan er Danmark", which literally means, "that's how it is in Denmark".
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<DT>Denmark is the country of rules. There are rules for everything here. Even the rules seem to have rules, and the people have an annoying way of interfering in each others lives to the point of self regulation.One of the world's smallest countries has one of the `biggest` governments, and `The State` is by far the biggest employer here, so people depend upon it for their livelihood.
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<DT>The ID Card was introduced to Denmark back in the 1970's. Every Dane, or foreign resident here has a `personal number` and unlike the `National Insurance` number in the US or UK, it must be quoted in order to do almost everything. One cannot get a bank account, travel, do business of any kind, learn to drive, drive, be educated etc etc. without it. It masquerades as a health insurance card, but has a far more all encompassing purpose. It is also backed up by a national register data base. The coming Biometric model will simply be accepted as an `improvement` and or progress.
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<DT>Conformity in all things is the way of life here. People dress the same, cut their hair the same, eat the same, do the same, like the same, say exactly the same phrases, in fact, modern Danish is more a language of phraseology than anything else (Newspeak ?). They like the same food (and will serve the same `fayre` to guests every time, no matter which Danish home one visits). An evening out at a Danish household, could/can be scripted beforehand, from start to end.
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<DT>Danish women and girls have with a few exceptions, become almost androgynous in appearance, and most are fiercely feminist in their views, actions and manners. Danish men are for the most part emasculated. Danes love their country, but will not fight for it. Danes loathe all things foreign, and resist all such influences, to the point where their shops have very little on the shelves, and what there is is rediculously expensive, and yet, they absolutely fail to recognise or resist the looming shadow of the European Superstate, still believing it to be something they can just walk away from when they have had enough.
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<DT>Danes rarely smile, are very reserved to the point of being rude, and yet, a recent (ish) opinion poll carried out throughout the EU showed them to be the most content of Europe's people. It was this that really got my juices flowing. Danes had been telling me for nearly eight years that `they had it so good`. But they didn't. Not at all. They had it good like a bird in a cage has it good.
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<DT>I had the feeling even back then that if one made too many comments of an unfavourable `Anti Denmark`nature, then just maybe my residiency might be revoked, or I might come into contact with the `State Authorities`, (Danes are encouraged to `Spy` on each other and do so with gusto). Of course no such thing occured, but the feeling was there. Such is the insideous nature of Danish society, which heralds `Free speech` as aninalienable right (As in the Mohammad Drawings) and yet damns that same `free Speech` to foreigners or dissenters
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<DT>By the end of the 1990's, I had begun to understand the extent to which the Danish population had been completely indoctrinated. Any form of criticism was fiercly resented. Nobody ever complained about anything of an official nature. Nearly everybody I knew, or those I saw speaking on TV seemed to believe that the Danish Government wished only good things for them. That the ever burgeoning tax burden was necessary, even a good thing. We are speaking of an income tax of on average 50% plus a sales tax of 25%. This level of taxation is across the board, and includes tax on cars, houses, food, and well, everything you can imagine could be taxed is taxed and then some. And all prices on all things rise on 31st January every year, without fail. This is just understood and accepted without comment by the majority of the people. "Saadan er Danmark".
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<DT>When my wife and I tried to explain to people that in the UK, we paid a fraction of the Danish tax burden, and still managed at least a parity in social welfare, and medical care, they wouldn't believe it. When we told them that the food in DK was of an inferior quality, with no variety and rediculously priced. They again wouldn't hear of it. I just could not be.
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<DT>We travelled to the US three times between 1996 and 2001 spending a total of fourteen weeks there and travelling some six thousand miles. Those three `trips` were milestones in my life, and I was bursting with tales of our adventures, but uponreturning to DK, not one Danish friend or family member showed any interest whatsoever in our stories. It was as if we had never been away. The only people who were at all interested were our `international` contacts.
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<DT>Now, I might be rambling at this point, but what I am trying to depict here is a society quite unlike anywhere else, even by European standards, Denmark is different. If it isn't Danish or Denmark, then they cannot contemplate it at all.
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<DT>I felt totally disaffected with the country, andat that time, even with no knowledge whatsoever of any `Global Conspiracy`, would say things to friends such as; "These are not people, they're like `Body Snatchers`", or "There must be something in the water here", and even "It's in the food they eat". Little did I understand how close to the truth I was.
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<DT>Then I started to put the pieces together; the inertia of the youth, the conformity of it's citizens. The `blind` obedience of the populace. The apparent contentmentbeing voiced, which was in obvious conflict with the miserable demeanour of Danish people. The narrow, insulated `bubble` view of the world around them. The conditioned state of national denial, refusing to admit even the possibility that some place else might be in some way better. And the absolute kicker; the Danish obsession with work. It is the only thing they talk about. To work is everything, and if one is not in work, then one is a member of a trade union, which will find some way of ensuring that one has little or no spare time to think and consider life, and what is happening all around.
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<DT>In 2003, I read Sen. Pat Buchannan's book, `The Death Of The West`. This work set me on the path to discovery, and although I have moved a little beyond it, the facts and ideas expressed by the author were in many cases highly relevant to my experiences in Denmark. But the point is this; on page 77, Sen. Buchanan at the top of the page makes this quote,"The perfect totalitarian state, is one where the all powerful political bosses, and their army of managers, control a population of slaves,who do not have to be coerced because they love their servitude".This is from Aldous Huxleys nightmare novel `Brave New World`, and it describes Danes and Denmark almost to a tee.
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<DT>I spoke to my wife about this, and she told me that she had read the book. That in fact it was required reading at `Upper level` schooling. You see Ted, that is it. Denmark is `Brave New World`. I set about reading `the work`, and it chilled me to see all the parallels with Danish Society.
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<DT>They have introduced so much of it here. The mindless compliance and conformity, the androgyny, the totally passive and non agitative demeanour. The all pervading Social State. The Brain washing and categorisng of students within the education or rather, `State indoctrination` program`. The resorting to the use of `Psycho Analysis` for any form of `anti social` behaviour, which can be nothing more than daring to publicly criticise the state, or asking awkward questions, or young males playing around in classrooms. The prescription of `happy pills` to supposedly depressed people or in other words, anyone who begins to see what it is that surrounds them. The Mass Media, State Education, State Health Service and all the other avenues of public information tell the same story incessantly. Denmark is the best country, Danes are the best at everything. All things Danish, are better than those which are non Danish. It has created a people so `dumbed down`, so afraid, so passive, so paradoxically proud yet obviously suffering from a deep seated inferiority complex. Arrogant, yet totally lacking in self confidence. Put another way, this is one `mucked up place`.
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<DT>No need of `Tasers`, or heavy handed Police tactics here. Not much evidence of surveillance cameras either. If the government says inject your kids with this or that drug, Danes will do it because the government told them to. When the time comes to be microchipped, the State will tell them it's for the best and they will do it without question. Simply without question.
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<DT>Joseph Goebbels said, " Propaganda must be able to be understood by even the most stupid members of society. Then you can make people believe that paradise is hell, and hell is paradise".
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<DT>Denmark is not quite `hell`, but it's on it's way there. Yesterday, another `BS` news report told Danish people than the reason the cost of food had risen so much was because of problems in Australia and Nigeria. Well then, that's okay then isn't it. We just have to suck it up, there's nothing we can do about it`. The State has explained why we now pay almost double what most people are paying in the rest of Europe for food, Electricity.oil, clothing, transport, tax etc. etc.
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<DT>The fools just accept it. Nobody asks"What has Australia and Nigeria got to do with a 25% price rise in the cost of Danish Dairy Products, Bacon, Meats, Bread and the spectrum of food stuffs produced in Denmark" ?They are told it's down to a recession, or inflation, or some other (bogus) cyclical economic phenomenon. But the point is, nobody asks any questions. They are simply `content in their servitude`.
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<DT>Recently, the Danish Prime Minister signed the EU Reform Treaty. Then without bursting into fits of laughter told the Danish people that there would be no referendum on this `Treaty` as it did not affect Danish sovereignty. This is clearly a `bare faced` lie, as once ratified, it will remove Denmarks ablity to decide it's own economy, justice system, home affairs, defence and a whole lot more. In other words, Denmark will be a nation no more, except in the daydreams of it's prozac popping citizenry. When I have tried to explain this to people here, they say things like "No, our Prime Minister would never do that. He would never sign such a document".Them when told he already has, I get,"Ah well, we can always withdraw later if it doesn't work out".
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<DT>But that's just the point, they won't be able to. Short of declaring armed resistance, and that's just not the Danish way. To a Dane, raising one's tone a little above whisper level is considered displaying anger. The `Feminazi's` here have done their job very well.
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<DT>It is my opinion that the EU is running two `Test Models` side by side. Model one is the UK `1984` type, which is intended for those member states whose populations are more prone to resistance, and Model two, the `Brave New World` type, as demonstrated here in DK, for smaller, less rebellious peoples.
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<DT>I have probably not done this topic justice, but if I have introduced you to what is happening here, that will be my work done. Denmark, is like nowhere else, and Danes are unlike anyone else, except perhaps the Swedes and Norwegians, who from what others have said, are undergoing similar programming.
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<DT>Hope it wasn't too tedious.
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<DT>Regards, Philip
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<DT>PS. It should be said that of course not every Dane follows this pattern, but in my experience at least 96% of those I have met during the past ten years do. Two sites worth visiting for anyone interested in Denmark arewww.heising.dkandwww.nylonmanden.dk
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<DT>Ted Twietmeyer
<DT>tedtw@frontiernet.net
<DT>www.data4science.net
<DT>www.bookonmars.info </DT></DL>


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That sounds like Black police forces in the Caribbean too. In Trinidad the police are sleeping at a gomats house, moonlighting or out and out robbing honest citizens.....
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The US will never be like Denmark, although it will be tried and there will be some success. Too many bad tempered loud mouths (ahem) in this country. There may be a dictatorial style government but it will be hated at least. And let them come for the guns. That'll be fun. No surrendering weapons here like in Australia. Interesting times ahead.
 

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Jaxvid what do you mean when you say " no surrendering weapons here like in Australia"? An honest question friend.
 
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