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bigunreal

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Except for Andrew Bogut going first overall, this year's NBA draft has
been almost all-black so far. Those European players aren't as
plentfiul this year, apparently. I didn't get to catch his comments
about Bogut (although something tells me they weren't overly
favorable), but the rest of the first round seems to have made Stephen
A. Smith very, very happy.
 
David Lee was picked with the final pick of the first round by the Knicks. When the pick was announced, the Knicks fans booed! Why would they boo him? He has proven himself as an athletic, talented player. It just goes to show how white prejudices are ingrained in our culture.
 
I really wish he wouldn't have went to the Knicks.Isaih
Thomas will not play him much at all and he will just
sit on the bench.That is one of the worst teams he could
have gone to.Just ask Keith Van Horn on that one.No
matter how good you play,they don't like you there.
 
Don't New Yorkers boo everything?


I can't believe I sat and watched the first 16 picks on TV just to see what the Toronto Craptors would do... It was really funny when the entire ESPN panel ripped their 7th round pick
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Wait, White Lightning, when I've pointed out on here the
success of white players under black executives and head
coaches, I'm told that the beef is with white executives and
coaches. So which is it?

And please explain why Isiah would draft a player not to play
him?

And, yes, New York fans always boo.
 
Regarding Isiah Thomas, this is the guy who publicly stated that if
Larry Bird were black, he'd be just another player. Just imagine if
Phil Mickelsen, for instance, said that if Tiger Woods were white, he'd
be just another golfer. I think there would be just a bit more of a
negative reaction to that than there was to Isiah's racist
statement. When I mentioned that more often it is white coaches
that discrminate against white players, I didn't mean to say that no
black coaches do. Obviously, John Thompson despised white players and
never had one that played during his long tenure at Georgetown. The
Arkansas coach that won a national championship a few years back-can't
remember his name-wouldn't play white players. John Chaney of Temple
doesn't like white players. Overall, however, I think there are
actually more black coaches that will give a white player a chance than
white coaches.
 
I'll judge Isiah on actions rather than words -- he's now drafted
two white college players during his career, Jeff Foster for the
Pacers and Lee for the Knicks.

Hell, you publicly stated something as equally ignorant,
uninformed and racist, calling Ben Wallace a thug.

Off the top of my head, I can think of white starters for John
Thompson (Brian Kelly), Nolan Richarson (Pat Bradley) and
John Cheney (Mike Vreeswyk). But don't let the facts get in the
way once you're rolling around in your sad white victim role.

Edited by: GreatLakeState
 
Hey GreatLakeState whose side are you on?I thought we were all White Brothers here encouraging each other.I want more Whites in the NBA!I hope the "nightmare team "never wins another Olympic basketball game.I want the Europeans to out jump and out shoot them just like this year!!!! Edited by: Gary
 
bigunreal said:
Regarding Isiah Thomas, this is the guy who publicly stated that if Larry Bird were black, he'd be just another player. Just imagine if Phil Mickelsen, for instance, said that if Tiger Woods were white, he'd be just another golfer.
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Look what happened to Fuzzy Zoeller for joking about Tiger Woods requesting fried chicken at Augusta, he lost two million dollars in endoresments and was villified by the press.


Did Thomas make his statements about Bird before or after this incredible play? Truly one of the most remarkable in NBA history.
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The defending champion Boston Celtics were down and almost out. Playing the young, tough-as-nails Detroit Pistons in the 1987 Eastern Conference Finals, the aging Celtics were in danger of losing Game 5, which would have given the Pistons a chance to clinch the series at home in Game 6.
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With Boston down by a point and Detroit in possession of the ball in the closing seconds of the game, those famed Celtic leprechauns decided to make an appearance.


As Detroit's Isiah Thomas prepared to toss the ball inbounds from the sideline, Boston's Larry Bird looked away from his man and stole a glance at Thomas. He saw the Pistons' captain look toward center Bill Laimbeer in the low post an instant before releasing the ball. So Bird cut into the passing lane and stole the ball before it could reach Laimbeer's hands.


His momentum looked like it would carry him out of bounds, but Bird somehow managed to gather his balance at the baseline and turn toward the court, where he spotted teammate Dennis Johnson beginning his cut from the foul line toward the basket. Bird whipped a crisp pass to DJ who laid it in with one second remaining for a 108-107 victory.


The steal was remarkable. Bird's instinct and ability to turn it into the winning basket only compounded the greatness of the play.


"Larry's mind takes an instant picture of the whole court," noted Bill Fitch, Bird's first coach with the Celtics. "He sees creative possibilities."


The Celtics went on to win the series in seven games and advance to the NBA Finals for the fourth year in a row, where they would surrender their title to the Los Angeles Lakers in six games.
 
All three players drafted by Utah were black, including a high school player in the second round.
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Various thoughts:

- We're definitely seeing a lower turn-out of Euro players over the last two drafts. According to the media, the teams are becoming better at evaluating them, and aren't going to be as easily impressed by them. Eventually the media might even start calling the European invasion a fad. Of course we'll have to remind them of the Olympics.

- "Wing span" has officially become a part of the lexicon. Whatever qualities that black players possess will always get the most hype, even when they're far less important than other qualities. Interesting that Jay Bilas repeatedly commented on players' wing spans, but when David Lee was drafted he was mysteriously silent. Hmm....

- The draft is a showcase of interracial mating. Geez! A lot of black men with white women, and "products" of those matings (like Deron Williams and maybe Sean May.)

- And of course the multicultural cesspool New York booing the "white boy." Anybody who doesn't think that that was racial is lying to themselves. They didn't boo the black guy who was picked in the second round. And of course the surprise that Thomas picked him. I never would've guessed that. Is it possible that even the most racist black coaches and executives aren't as bad as white coaches and executives? Scary thought.

-Matt Walsh not getting drafted. What a joke.

-The commentators are total a**holes. The first two Euros (besides Bogut) that get drafted and all of a sudden Smith starts moaning about May and Felton not getting picked. And of course they're immediately drafted. Oh, so they go at 13 and 14 instead of 11 and 12. Poor babies. Yet again Smith shows his utter disdain for European players. Bilas wasn't much better slamming Walsh.

-Sounds like the NBDL will become a minor league. It'll be interesting to see how that turns out.
 
JD074 said:
And of course the multicultural cesspool New York booing the "white boy." Anybody who doesn't think that that was racial is lying to themselves.
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I wouldn't doubt Spike Lee was in the crowd leading the booing.
 
One team that I liked was Milwaukee.First they took
Bogut as the number one pick.Then they traded for a
current player in Jiri Welsch.These guys will fit in
perfect in Wisconsin.In fact,they will probably be two
of the fan favorites.
 
Great Lake State-



You have some nerve calling anything I've said "ignorant" when you cite
token white players who NEVER played unless it was a handful of mop-up
appearances for virulent racist coaches like John Thompson. I knew
someone (btw, this guy was black) who was good friends with Tommy
Ammaker years ago. Through this friendship, he got to attend many
behind-the-scenes basketball gatherings. He admitted to me that
Thompson didn't hide his disdain for white players (and all whites, for
that matter) when the cameras and microphones were off. He said it was
a running joke among all the Olympic players that Thompson coached to
make fun of Steve Alford when he tried out, and to celebrate when
Thompson predictably cut him. Thompson hates whites, period. That's not
"ignorant" oir "racist." It's a fact. I don't have any anecdotal
evidence about the other black coaches I cited, but I think it's pretty
obvious they are cut from the same cloth.



As for Isiah Thomas, I'm sure you're willing to cut all the whites who
have had their careers and reputatoins ruined for making similar
comments to the one he made the same kind of slack, right? How about Al
Campanis, who was about as pro-black an executive as Major League
Baseball had at the time? Surely you must think it was a terrible
injustice that his life was ruined because of some mere words he
uttered on television. After all, he had a longer and more positive (in
the eyes of people like you) track record than Isiah Thomas has in
terms of promoting "diversity" in his field.



Are you going to honestly maintain to those of us on this forum that
professional sports, and the jock-sniffers who cover them, don't favor
black athletes over white athletes? If so, I suggest you read the
archives and try to start thinking independently, instead of swallowing
all the multicultural propaganda.
 
Hollywood north,some black coaches are fair while others
are not.The same could be said for white coaches.Isaih
Thomas would not be one of the fair ones.Not even close.
I am suprised they took David Lee but he was projected
to go in the last 6-7 picks of the first round.His job
is in danger with the Knicks uninspiring play and his
poor decisions.Remember how he said,"If Bird were black,
he would be just another player".Yeah and if you believe
that one,I know some Ocean Front Property in AZ that you
can buy.Some coaches are good like Dungy in the NFL
while others will never change their true colors.The
fans in N.Y. will probably boo David Lee even after he
wins the NBA Slam Dunk Contest.That is just how alot of
New Yorkers are.Never satisfied.
 
Bigunreal, I don't pretend the media doesn't favor black
athletes. I didn't think Al Campanis should have been fired. I
don't think John Rocker should have been blackballed. I don't
think Oklahoma's basetball coach should have been fired. I
don't think Central Michigan should have fired Keith Dambrot.

So, please, don't put words in my mouth.

I deal in facts. Facts, like the ones you didn't know regarding
the draft status of Larry Bird and Kevin McHale. Facts like Pat
Bradley was Arkansas' leading scorer. How do you lead a team
in scoring if you're a token playing mop-up minutes?

That's a fact. Your "friend of Tommy Amaker" story isn't a fact.

Yes, Gary, I'd like more whites in the NBA. However, I'm not
going to jump on the bandwagon and wallow in victim status
because a guy like Danny Ferry wasn't a star. He wasn't good,
and I'm able to deal with that.
 
Great Lake State-



Tou might not have noticed, but your posts have just a trace of
arrogance about them. The primary reason I was mistaken about how high
McHale and Bird were drafted was because I wasn't following basketball
at all at that time. I completely lost interest in the NBA, and them
even NCAA basketball, around the late 70s or so. It was not only the
fact that fewer and fewer whites were playing, it was the also the
style of play. I didn't like the fact that all those black players were
getting away with traveling, palming the ball, elbowing and assorted
other forms of illegal physical contact. The only reason I have
come to follow it again over the past few years is because my son loves
the game. I have also been coaching youth basketball for the past
several seasons, for the same reason. So, there is a gap in my
basketball knowledge spanning from the late 70s to the mid-90s.



As for Pat Bradley, never heard of him. Again, I had no interest in
watching those all-black teams like Arkansas, Georgetown, etc. I do
know that the year they won the championship, my son was just getting
into the sport, and their leading scorer then couldn't have been white,
because they didn't play any white players. It's possible I may be
mistaken about that, because I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to
any of their tournament games that I watched with my son. Still, if
their leading scorer then was white, I can't believe I wouldn't have
noticed that. Regardless, if this black coach had one white
player during his tenure at Arkansas, that hardly makes him a lover of
"diversity." Even Tubby Smith was playing a white point guard in
this year's tournament. That's a first, but it doesn't negate the
obvious fact that he strongly prefers black players. Would our society
be satisfied if a white coach had started one black basketball player
during a decade or more of coaching? Don't think so-they'd be launching
a real investigation into why his team wasn't more "diverse" (which, of
course, doesn't mean that at all-it means more black).



And my personal anecdote, told to me by a black friend, is certainly a
fact in my book. Another tidbit along these lines, regarding John
Thompson's obvious anti-white feelings, was published in the old
Washington Star newspaper back in the mid-70s or so. An outraged white
fan actually had a letter published on the editorial page, in which he
demanded to know why none of the reporters covering Thompson ever wrote
or spoke about his racist language during games. This guy was sitting
near the court at a Duke-Maryland game, and he said that Thompson was
berating the white refs constantly, using racial epithets, and also
shouted at Maryland coach Lefty Driesell several times, calling him
some choice racist names. There was no answer to this letter, of
course, and I'm amazed it was published. I doubt that this game was a
one-time aberation, and combined with many of his public comments, as
well as my friend's personal experience, it is most certainly a "fact"
in my mind that John Thompson is a vile racist who doesn't like white
people.



It's nice that you'd like to see more whites in the NBA (how about the
NFL, too?) From what I've read of your posts, that view doesn't come
through loud and clear.
 
I don't claim any victim status just give the White guys a chance at scholarships and let them play.Danny Ferry is not to good BUT there are plenty in Europe who are good-draft them and let them play.When Nash wins the MVP give him credit,when McBride beats Tyson give him credit.When 3 white teams beat the NBA's"BEST" give them credit.The only bandwagon I'am on is to make the PC jock sniffers who run the networks give credit to Whites when credit is do!
 
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