Mestizos in Boxing

[White_Savage]

Or, Proof that it's largely cultural and psychological.


A Mestizo, as most Latin Americans are, is by definition a mix ofSpanish-European and Indian blood. (Aminority of Mexicans retain the originalEuropean looks, tending towards light eyes, skin, hair, etc.)Now the interesting thing is that Indians are by and large not accounted great boxers orathletes in general, except for Jim Thorpe, andthe athletic image of Euro-derived folk, I need not go into.


Now if Europeans werehopelessly physically inferior in thesport of boxing, we would expect that any Mestizo success would have to derive from their Indian blood. And that being the case, the purer the Indio, the better boxers, with pure blood Indians being the best boxers except for blacks.* Yet this is not the case. There are few Navajo, Sioux, Maya or Yaquismaking names for themselves in the ring. The greatmestizofightersrun the gamut in apparent type, with many, like Delahoya, being very Europeanoid looking.


Could it simply be that Latinos like boxing, work hard at boxing, live in the socio-economic conditions that are inevitably associated with the people who become boxers? That they have oppurtunities in their own communities to train in boxing, largely in enviroments with their own people where theyare madeto feel comfortable, where their careers receive encouragement?Could the fact that it's officially "okay" for Latinos to actually support their brethren as athletes make a difference?


Could be, could very well be, IMHO


*(We could make the same arguement for blacks, btw, do blacks who appear to have more of the European blood in them always fall in the boxing ring before their darker brothers? No, not really, Ali's ancestry and career being one excellent refutation.)

 

[pugnus]

Or, Proof that it's largely cultural and psychological.


A Mestizo, as most Latin Americans are, is by definition a mix ofSpanish-European and Indian blood. (Aminority of Mexicans retain the originalEuropean looks, tending towards light eyes, skin, hair, etc.)Now the interesting thing is that Indians are by and large not accounted great boxers orathletes in general, except for Jim Thorpe, andthe athletic image of Euro-derived folk, I need not go into.


Now if Europeans werehopelessly physically inferior in thesport of boxing, we would expect that any Mestizo success would have to derive from their Indian blood. And that being the case, the purer the Indio, the better boxers, with pure blood Indians being the best boxers except for blacks.* Yet this is not the case. There are few Navajo, Sioux, Maya or Yaquismaking names for themselves in the ring. The greatmestizofightersrun the gamut in apparent type, with many, like Delahoya, being very Europeanoid looking.


Could it simply be that Latinos like boxing, work hard at boxing, live in the socio-economic conditions that are inevitably associated with the people who become boxers? That they have oppurtunities in their own communities to train in boxing, largely in enviroments with their own people where theyare madeto feel comfortable, where their careers receive encouragement?Could the fact that it's officially "okay" for Latinos to actually support their brethren as athletes make a difference?


Could be, could very well be, IMHO


*(We could make the same arguement for blacks, btw, do blacks who appear to have more of the European blood in them always fall in the boxing ring before their darker brothers? No, not really, Ali's ancestry and career being one excellent refutation.)

Yes Ali's great grandfather waswhite so what this is common knowledge . But the fact of the matter is that he would just be another black guy to you if he was'nt who he was. You only bring up the fact that Ali's great grandfather was white to promote your own agenda .

 

[White_Savage]

Dear Pugnuts:
I bring up his grandfather to prove my point: That if Caucasians really were physically inferior in every respect, then we could expect any people with Caucasian blood to be at a disadvantage in the ring with purer Blacks or Indians. This does not seem to be the case, calling the whole stereotype into question. But you choose to sidestep the logical argument I'm making and simply and fall back into your role as forum gadfly.

BTW, my "agenda" is simply to remind the men of my people of their warrior heritage, to encourage them to follow the warrior path, so that they may manfully defend their bodies, honor, families, values, and communities. Considering that Whites became preminent over the planet through warriorship (Though I do not condone their conquest and exploitation of other peoples), it seems to me that their should at least be some succesfull in the combat sports.

 

[White Shogun]

Dear Pugnuts:

I bring up his grandfather to prove my point: That if Caucasians
really were physically inferior in every respect, then we could expect
any people with Caucasian blood to be at a disadvantage in the ring
with purer Blacks or Indians. This does not seem to be the case,
calling the whole stereotype into question. But you choose to sidestep
the logical argument I'm making and simply and fall back into your role
as forum gadfly.



BTW, my "agenda" is simply to remind the men of my people of their
warrior heritage, to encourage them to follow the warrior path, so that
they may manfully defend their bodies, honor, families, values, and
communities. Considering that Whites became preminent over the planet
through warriorship (Though I do not condone their conquest and
exploitation of other peoples), it seems to me that their should at
least be some succesfull in the combat sports.

White_Savage, I rarely submit a post for the sake of saying "great
post," or "I agree." But I have to make an exception in your
case. Your comments regarding warriorship deserve a huge
"BUMP."



Thanks for this post and the other you've written with such commentary. Good luck advancing your agenda!

Edited by: White Shogun

 

[jaxvid]

white savage wrote:
Though I do not condone their conquest and exploitation of other peoples

Why not? What are you supposed to do it you are a warrior and you defeat someone? Give them food, money, rebuild their land, give them all your technology, let them take your jobs, your women and your culture and ........nevermind.

 

[White_Savage]

jaxvid:
Like it or not, white people killed alot of people and took their stuff. Of course, I'm not saying Whites are morally defective in some way, everyone did this at a certain point in their history-whites were just really, really, good at it is all, which is why we get so much blame. Sometimes it may have been justified by need. Often it was not, and was excessive.

Of course, in the defense of Whites, it was also White thinkers and activists that saw wrong in things like slavery, or gross mistreatment of Indians, and worked to change it. These impulses have gotten wildly out of hand, of course.

We also created many a problem for ourselves by doing this. For example, do you think the U.S. would better or worse off if white cotton growers had hired their poorer brethren to work, instead yielding to greed and importing an alien people as slaves?

 

[pugnus]

Are you saying that black people dont have the right to calla themselves americans since black people have been here as long as white people have ?.

 

[White_Savage]

pugnus: Go back under your bridge and harass some billy-goats.

America would be better off if we hadn't imported black slaves. We wouldn't have had the slavery debate, the Civil War, the Civil Rights upheavals, and all the problems blacks cause for modern society. Whether blacks would be better off is a matter of debate-they wouldn't have been enslaved, but their descendants would still be living in bloody Africa-not a popular place with blacks who have an oppurtunity to live anywhere else.

Can they call themselves Americans? I suppose, but it would be nice if they'd quit committing felonies at a rate 9 times that of whites and if 90% of them didn't vote for our socialist party. Then they'd really be Americans.Edited by: White_Savage

 

[speedster]

I've often thought of that myself,what a much finer country the U.S. would be if they had not imported all these slaves from Africa.Sit back everyone with a cup of coffee and just imagine the possibilites.

 

[JD074]

How can any thinking white person not agree? It's just so
obvious. It was such a huge mistake. Oh well.

 

[Charlie]

Jim Thorpe was half-Irish. Which makes Burt Lancaster's portrayal in the Thorpe biopic almost plausible.

Arguably the Latin country with the best fighters per capita is Argentina. White folks. And as in Eastern Europe and Russia poverty is causing lots of them to turn to boxing. (A poverty in both regions that was totally unnecessary, BTW.)

Savage, you mentioned De La Hoya. Another effective Caucasian Hispanic fighter was Danny 'Red' Lopez.

 

[Bart]

I've often thought of that myself,what a much finer country the U.S. would be if they had not imported all these slaves from Africa.Sit back everyone with a cup of coffee and just imagine the possibilites.

Thanks a lot Speedster, I took your advice and fell asleep imagining an America without Africans. I had a dream, brothers and sisters and oh... it was so glorious.. ! Now I'm awake, back to reality and depressed as hell.