It looks like Mo Greene was juicing!

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According to a article in the NY Times, Maurice Greene is one of many new names to be put out there in the Herredia Report. This is again just another example of a former world record holder in the 100 meters, the current world record holder over 60 meters and a multiple Olympic Gold Medal winner who did it the wrong way. Mo has more sub 10's than anyone in history. We shall see how this story unfolds and if there is any punishment of any kind.

I wonder if they could take away his Olympic or World Championship Medals? There will be more names to follow.
 

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It never ceases to amaze me how many of these black alleged "superathletes" resort to cheating in order to win.

I remember reading a book by a white homo named Jon Entine called "Taboo: Why Black Athletes Dominate Sports and Why We're Afraid to Talk About It" (by the way, the book and author are lame and wrong) and it goes on and on about how supposedly blacks are superior athletes, and how the Soviets only won some track events in the 1970s and 1980s because they were so heavily drugged up, while "blacks are better, naturally" (Entine's words).

I'm sure that if Matt Shirvington, Morne Nagel and any number of other decent white, short-sprint specialists of Mo Greene's generation juiced as heavily as him, they might have dipped under 10 seconds a few times, too.
 

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Heredia is the key witness against Trevor Graham. He is a Mexican American who had steroid connections. Probably through Mexico. As for Mo Greene doing steroids his camp HSI has been known to be a steroid camp for years. I suspect Ato is former client too. There is a saying in bodybuilding people who train together shoot up together. I t looks like in track it's the same thing..
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Internet scuttlebutt has Ato Boldon stating that John Smith was as dirty as Trevor Graham. But of course Boldon is St. Francis of Assisi.......
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Update the latest word is one of the runners that is being fingered by Herredia is Leonard Scott. I truly thought Mr Water Bloat was clean.....
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Does this mean that Bobby Morrow was America's last legitimate, non-hop-head 100 meter sprinter?

Even if he isn't, at least he never wore high heels like that Carl Lewis guy.
 
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Carl Lewis never really won a 100m gold, if you consider the boycott of 1984 and the DQ of ben johnson in 1988.
Marian Woronin (poland) would have won and ran a sub 10.00. He ran 10.00 in june of 84 and would have gone faster with lewis in the race and the heat/humidity of LA.
Ben Johnson (jamaica) won the gold in 88 but had a positive test.
 

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Well here is the letter from St. Francis, maybe he was clean after all....
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"To Benedict Arnold, aka the Great Betrayer .

I was so eagerly anticipating the meeting that was supposed to happen among you and I and Emanuel in Texas, so I could say this all to your face, since it's been brewing inside me for 4 months, but apparently his "Highness" Nawaf, another insufferable, know-it-all, piece of excrement, was more happy to over-eat and get publicly drunk with you (as usual) and pretend "it's all good" in LA-LA Land . Oh, yes, he did find the time to beg me for an hour to "please come up with a plan to save your black Rectus humongus" since you are, in his words, "unintelligent and would not survive for very long if this all goes down badly" . Imagine that . Me bail you out? For what? My own coach, doping my competition while he smiles in my face and preaches the "we are clean and they are not" gospel . DAILY .
Poor JD was right all along . Of course you favored one horse above all others - you WOW .
Thank God for the opportunity to be rid of both you and Nawaf in one fell swoop .
Integrity .
Loyalty .
Honor . Look them up in the dictionary . You preach it daily to your athletes and to anyone who will listen to you go on and on about nothing . They aren't stupid, they WILL figure you out . Most already have .

Since neither you nor the so-called "GOAT" has had the balls to sit down one-on-one with me (at any time in the past 4 months!!) OR EVEN PICK UP A PHONE TO CALL and explain anything about what you all conspired to do without anyone else's knowledge in the group, (and in turn, now taint everyone who has ever worked with you, even if they decided not to go this DRUG route) and I have to read it in the paper, even though I already know not just what the paper said, but way, way more, this, I guess is what it has to come to . AN HONEST E-MAIL, from someone who has been around you for

This, from three "men" who walk around like they are alpha-males, king-dick-swingers, the leaders of the pack . Larry, I can understand . He is incapable of doing anything but following his Rectus humongus with his nose or being a King George Bush 2-up . His whole life is testament to that . You and Maurice, well, history will certainly record you two accurately, I hope .
The first mistake the three of you made was pretending any of you was capable of any leadership worth a sorrowful cent . If you could lead anything, there wouldn't be need for Emanuel Hudson, whether or not your ego allows you to accept that . That's why I have to laugh at how brilliant this "plan" was from the get-go . Three idiots, who think they are so much smarter than the whole world . Wires from personal bank accounts, packages arriving to Onacrest Drive , personal emails, personal phone calls .

ABSOLUTELY brilliant work!

I was thinking last night that it's a good thing you 3 didn't plan to rob a bank, because you would all NOW be doing hard time, with your dumb asses .

And yet, knowing that this was coming since 2007, NONE of you have even picked up the phone to call me to say "ay, man I know you heard such and such, and this is the situation" . No, it's not like we were on the same team, or part of the same "family", right? It's not like I didn't spend the past 13 years defending anyone who dared to talk about anyone in my camp or in my group . I never did that, right? Donovan opened his mouth to DARE talk about my "boy" Maurice, and I was on him in a flash, why because when you are down, when you have each other's backs, that is what REAL MEN do - they back each other up, not King George Bush 2 each other over . Donovan was right too . My bad for thinking that I could trust any of you or believe a word you said .

I vouched for everyone . When Larry's Rectus humongus went down (of course that mystery positive of his isn't so mysterious now, is it?) it was my house that I called the meeting to, because if one was going through anything WE ALL WERE . But he is already on his way out in more ways than one, he just doesn't know it . . . . or maybe he does . . . . .

HSI is the best thing that ever happened to you, and you couldn't help but King George Bush 2 that up, could you? You are a walking tragedy . Now you will be back to less than the alternative . Remember what you had and how you got where you are about to go, Mr . Smith . Reality is about to smack you in the face .

I might have an ounce of respect left for either of the two of you, the "GOAT" or yourself, if you had called me up when this first broke to at least attempt to explain - like MEN - who are supposedly down for each other, do . You knew I knew, and yet both of you have done what you do best . Huddle in a corner and hide, and not let the people closest to you know you King George Bush 2ed up, so maybe they could either 1)help in the thinking department which clearly IS NOT a strong-point for any of you, or 2) watch their own asses . So manly of you . Just pretend it will all go away and no one will remember . Ah, but karma is a princess . Maurice is already finding that out, and quick! Woman, house, cars, lifestyle, career, money, future, everything, GONE!

Imagine you are laughing and joking with me every single day on the track for months this year, and you knew damn well I know what I know, and you are totally cool with that . . . . as though I'm some kind of sorrowful idiot - not once have you said a word about any of this . . . . . "duck and run" as usual . You have become so good at it, too . Must be the years of practice .

Now, we all are embarrassed and forever stained because of you and your slap! . And just in case you, too, think "you took a chance on me in '95" as Darrell so eloquently put it (yeah, a 20 year-old who came to you with international medals and running 10 . 07 - big chance that was!) remember I took a chance on you long before, because I didn't come to you with drug baggage - you were the one with the rumors and the stuff in the book . I came anyway, because I believed all that slap! you were selling about "drug-free", and since I never saw it in my face, I could actually believe it . Drug Free, my Rectus humongus . You are an older Trevor Graham . PERIOD - on a different coast of the USA - and that isn't easy for me to say, because you know what I think about Trevor . You think running to West Angeles Church every time you are about to get caught will solve something? I went to West Angeles for 10 years and probably saw you twice . God has a message for you, JS, "Don't give drugs to people's children! Steer them away from it if they ask you, too!"

There's your salvation!

Look around you . Everything around you is withering and/or dying . How can that be? You have won not a single medal that matters since 2004, and not a clean one since 2003 (poor Torri) . Is it because you have sowed nothing but poison and deceit your entire life, and now the brief stay you had "at the top" is now over? Say what you want about me and my failure to win the BIG ones, but I did it cleanly, and I can look you or anyone else in the face, not to mention myself in the mirror, for the rest of my life . I know that, and so DO YOU . But it all makes sense now - This is why you were unceremoniously removed from UCLA . This is why Kerron Clement and just about everyone else who would be considered top-notch talent for years now is steering WAY clear of you . Maybe you don't get that . I think you will now .

I realize it now, and it's sad to see what you have become . You used to be a hero of mine . Now I wouldn't want my dog to piss on you if you were on fire . That ain't no emotional nothing, either, brother, that is REAL TALK . Man to man, the way you should have come at me from the jump . It's that much disgust . That's what happens when a black man you look up to deceives you for years, while pretending and smiling in your face .

John Smith the great "sprint guru" is nothing but the emperor with no clothes . No, wait a minute, we know you can coach someone to 9 . 86 x4 and 19 . 77 . The rest I can't vouch for, ever .

Naked . . . . .

. . . with a big vial of drugs, slap! theories and hypocrisy by the pound behind the curtain . Now we all understand why you always had to go run over and kiss Trevor's Rectus humongus every damn where when you KNEW we didn't trust him . Now I understand why, despite the fact that he raided your camp, talks about your deteriorating coaching skills and basically plays you for a fool, you are always in Larry Wade's face yukking it up . Enjoy that . Birds of a feather . . . .

This case in the NY Times is not some mistake, some "oops" moment, some misstep, some one-time weakness, it's a pattern, and going back to the stuff written about you in Speed Trap after 1988, right up to you know who in 2007, almost 20 years later - nothing has changed - and what that most recent case reveals about what you ARE and ARE not willing to do, of course while preaching the usual JOHN SMITH slap! - is that this is who you are and what you are and how you operate . Stop pretending it isn't . Imagine, I doubt now whether a single one of the people whose careers I respect, was likely clean, if you were their coach .

Not Q, not Steve, not any of them . Imagine K . Young is calling around now to find out how far back they can "check excrement" . . . . . why would he be doing that, you think?

Let me cut to the chase, as it concerns your ultimate betrayal, as you doped my competition and my teammates while professing to the world (and of course to me) that you were the "drug free coach" . When you see me somewhere, just pretend you don't . You are dead to me .

Don't mention my name, don't have a single thing to say about me, because to me you are the scum of the earth, the ultimate deceiver, who preaches one thing and lives another .

We have all sinned and fall short of the glory of God . The difference is, I would never King George Bush 2 any of you over the way you have, to everyone who now has to answer for your slap! while you remain quiet, hoping it will all blow over . It won't and your name will likely be the next name called, so don't think you got off because your name isn't in this one .



If you think things seem "rough" now, imagine where you will be in ten years time .

You've earned it! You can't sow deceit and reap success and prosperity - and if you do, its very fleeting . You of all people should know that . Yet nothing changes . Still trying to get people on the stuff, huh, JS? (Of course while the others know nothing of it) . I pray God rescues your soul, my "brother" .

P . S . In case you think somehow this email is somehow a reason for me to not have to confront you face to face, think again .

I realized, in 4 months, that you have no intention of confronting any of your own demons, and certainly not little old silly me, since you actually now believe your own slap! (it's ok, I did for some time, as well) so why should I bother . You can discard this when you are done reading it, as I have discarded the mirage that passed for most of the family and relationships that existed within HSI . Don't try to say excrement to me now in any way shape or form . You had your chance to say something since December, or maybe when this brilliant plan was concocted so I could have exited then (as I tried to in 2002 - note to self always trust your instincts!) but you were content to play me for a further fool . Pretend you don't see me when we are in public, because I will certainly do the same . Anything to the contrary and we are going to have a problem, and so will everyone else around .

You all made your bed . I will be RIGHT here to watch you burn in it, and there ain't a fire extinguisher that will put this one out .


You want to King George Bush 2 people over and plot behind people's backs? So be it . Now you deal with the repercussions .

Change your ways, John . Hypocrisy will be early death of you . Mark my words . You can't speak one thing and live another .

R . I . P . H . S . I"
 
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So tell me guys. Lets say youre a 22 year old athlete at the top of your game. You are drug free and win countless gold medals at the olympics.

Then after about 10 years upon realizing your physical decline in athletics, you begin taking drugs. You get busted by the authorities and banned for life.

Now tell me, should they take away the medals you won previously when you were still drug free??....
 

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J_McBride said:
So tell me guys. Lets say youre a 22 year old athlete at the top of your game. You are drug free and win countless gold medals at the olympics.

Then after about 10 years upon realizing your physical decline in athletics, you begin taking drugs. You get busted by the authorities and banned for life.

Now tell me, should they take away the medals you won previously when you were still drug free??....

No, medals won when clean should be kept but how would you know when he actually started to juice if he denied it all along?
 

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J_McBride said:
So tell me guys. Lets say youre a 22 year old athlete at the top of your game. You are drug free and win countless gold medals at the olympics.

Then after about 10 years upon realizing your physical decline in athletics, you begin taking drugs. You get busted by the authorities and banned for life.

Now tell me, should they take away the medals you won previously when you were still drug free??....

What you do in the past is exactly that -- the past. O.J. Simpson is [likely] a vicious, two-time murderer and misogynist and a bad actor, but it doesn't take away from the fact that for many years he was one of the finest runningbacks -- of his or any era -- in professional football.

A similar and perhaps less apples-to-oranges argument might be made if we were to pretend that a famous plastic surgeon royally screwed up an operation (because for the first time in his career he got doped up on uppers and cut someone's left boob off), got sued for malpractice, lost his license and ended up in disgrace. Of course we'd look at him as a drugged-up irresponsible doctor, but we can't go and claim that the dozens or even hundreds of surgeries he performed previously without a hitch are now failures, nor can we assume that he was drugged up during those surgeries. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. But the suspicion will always be there, and all the ladies he operated on before will wonder "was he strung out when he did my eyelids and jowls?"

Unless he admits it or other evidence emerges, all the fat rich ladies shouldn't hold their breath waiting for a refund check or a cut of the court settlement.

Therefore, unless proof emerges that Mo Greene cheated in Sydney or anywhere else, he should keep his medals. Same deal with Kinteris from the 200m at those Olympics. He cheated in 04, but there's no hard proof he cheated in '00.
 
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