Aviva Grand Prix/August 31, 2008.

white lightning

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This is going to be a huge meet in Gateshead, England. Craig Pickering will be facing guys like Asafa Powell, Usain Bolt, Simeon Williamson, Tyrone Edgar and others. I just want to see him get pulled to a new p.b. in front of the home crowd. The race is this Sunday.


Paul Hession is in the 200. Wariner and Wissman are in the 400 and I belive Rooney is running as well. I hope WCSN is showing this meet. I'm pumped. It should be one of the best meets of the summer outside of the olympics.
 

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i would love to see pickering, hession and wariner pull out some PR's. pickering needs to walk away from this season on a high note and so does JW. wariner needs to show everyone he still has it with solid time like a 43.6 or better. good luck to all of them. any predictions to what bolt is going to do? 9.59 maybe?
 

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I'm hoping Pickering doesn't press too hard due to his frustrating experience at the olympics. Going out in the quarters and then messing up on the Relay Team. In track if you try to hard, you usually tie up and run slower than usual. He needs to just forget China and run his race. I'm hoping he can get in several more races before he packs it up till next year.


Hession and Wariner should both run good. As for Bolt. I will predict a time in the 9.65 range. I can't see him going 9.5 at the moment but you never know. He is on the breakfast of champions.
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I don't think Bolt wants to run a 9.5 just yet. That would just turn the eyes of the world a little bit closer to the drugs I am 99% sure he is taking. That is the real reason he pulled up in the final of the 100 meter sprint at the Olympics. Nobody clean should ever be able to run a 9.5 or maybe even a 9.69 for that matter.
 

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Not really a caste-specific question, but in a 4x400 relay, does the lead-off run an entire 400 + a few meters more in the exchange zone? while the anchor runs 400- ?
 
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It seems possible that Bolt is using drugs, but I don't agree at all with this sentiment that particular sports achievements are impossible.

There's no good reason to think that humans will not continue to get better at sports. Bigger, faster, stronger. No doubt about it, somebody will run 100 meters in 9.6 seconds without being on drugs. Just as somebody will eventually swim 50 meters in 20 seconds without being on drugs.

I haven't seen any sports science posted here that gives any credible research from physiology or physics to explain why certain performances, which are only incremental improvements on existing performances, are not things that it would be possible for a human to do. In fact, the exact opposite is usually the case. People go on and on about how something is impossible, then somebody does it, then the next performance goal becomes the impossible one.
 

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The only problem with that argument is that the previous sub 10 guys have all been suspect, and many have been convicted of steroid use. So, then how does a natural guy beat there tainted times? As I have said before, and has been discussed on this site, the Jamaicans have easy access - not to mention a huge incentive - to PED's. My track coach is Jamaican. He has used and said anyone running under sub-10 is using, and that obtaining the drugs are easy and part of the track culture.Edited by: Alpha Male
 

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nevada said:
It seems possible that Bolt is using drugs, but I don't agree at all with this sentiment that particular sports achievements are impossible.

There's no good reason to think that humans will not continue to get better at sports. Bigger, faster, stronger. No doubt about it, somebody will run 100 meters in 9.6 seconds without being on drugs. Just as somebody will eventually swim 50 meters in 20 seconds without being on drugs.

I haven't seen any sports science posted here that gives any credible research from physiology or physics to explain why certain performances, which are only incremental improvements on existing performances, are not things that it would be possible for a human to do. In fact, the exact opposite is usually the case. People go on and on about how something is impossible, then somebody does it, then the next performance goal becomes the impossible one.


Why are you always bringing up "steroid use" when it comes to the sports of strongman and powerlifting?

I think Mariusz is a user, but I think Sebastian Wenta and some others are clean as it pertains to the use of "banned" or "illegal" PEDS.

What is more odd? A bulky sprinter? Or a bulky strongman who usually doesn't involve himself with too much cardio activity?

I could be wrong, but I think that Bill Kazmaier might have been clean. He's still alive anyways. Think about all the obese people who have never lifted a weight and haven't lived as long as KAZ. So, if he was a user, it might not be all "doom-and-gloom" if done right. That's another subject altogether.


You mention "Bigger, faster, stronger" in your post, and how natural progression is possible. Does this "natural evolution" idea only apply to certain athletic pursuits and not to others? That is the question.


Strongman -- "It's the steroids"

Short land sprints -- "They are clean until we have evidence. We may be witnessing evolution."

Kayak sprints -- "It's the steroids"

Tour de France -- "It's the steroids"


Let's face it... some people will do ANYTHING to win, and this applies to practically EVERY sport. I, for one, won't emulate the anti-White Caste media line which states, "If a White achieves, it must be chemically enhanced; Let's start sowing doubts."

If someone is on steroids in a sport where it's use is prohibited, evidence of this steroid use would be great. After all, how do we really know if someone's achievement is "clean" or not...
 

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to answer your question, all exchanges are made at the finish line so every one is running exactly 400m. the lead leg usualy runs the slower time since he doesn't get a running start.
 

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Two more days till the big meet. Any predictions on the times that Pickering or Hession are going to run? I will predict a 10.15 for Craig and a 20.25 for Paul Hession. I hope they can run that fast or even faster. They both need to finish the season strong.
 

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I'll say 10.12 and 20.33, but lets hope they run faster.
 

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20.6 for hession and 10.26 for Craig Pickering.It was in typical English wether so not that bad.Hopefully craig pickering has a injury free season next year.
 

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Those were times that were reasonable in this weather. Powell's time of 9.87 is just out there. One consolation for those that hate cheats is that if this was a major final Powell would have faded down the stretch for a 10.0X.....
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