ufc 56

[Guest]

joe riggs did not make 170 pounds for his title fight with matt hughes. they will fight saturday with no title on the line.

 

[Guest]

rich franklin knocks out nate quarry twice in one fight and keeps the title at 185.

full results at sherdog.com

nate quarry goes down for the count and has a seizure!

http://www.fightreport.net/gifs/franklin_quarry.gifEdited by: jody

 

[White Shogun]

Funniest moment of UFC 56:

The awful fight between Gonzaga and Jordan has just ended. The camera is focused on Gonzaga jumping around in the octagon, celebrating his victory. It then pans to this pale figure in a pink shirt with glasses on, and shoulder length black hair. I say outloud, "Who is that, his mom?" Seconds later, much to everyone else's amusement, it is announced that is Ron Wood of the Rolling Stones!

Guess you had to be there.

Except for the aforementioned fight between Gonzaga and Jordan, the fights were excellent. It is no wonder that Dana and the UFC hyped Riggs and Quarry so much, because if everyone really KNEW how good Hughes and Franklin really are, no one would have tuned in to watch. Those guys are as bad ass in their respective divisions as Liddell and Couture are in the light heavyweight division.

Hughes dismantled Riggs easily. As soon as he obtained side mount he went for the kimura and worked it til he got it. Riggs should consider himself lucky that he did not receive serious injury before he tapped.

What is shocking to me when I think about it is just how GOOD Franklin and Hughes are as fighters. They didn't beat bums in such convincing fashion; they manhandled men younger than themselves, who spend hours and hours training in mixed martial arts and who have in turn themselves destroyed other opponents in the octagon and in the ring. And both of them appear to be unassuming men you might pass everyday in the grocery store, or at the mall.

 

[JD074]

That Quarry knock out was brutal! Very reminiscent of Roy Jones, when he got KO'ed by Glen Johnson. Why does the body get stiff like that? Very strange. I hope he's okay. I like Quarry and his unorthodox style and would like to see a few more 1st round KO's- preferably him doing the knocking out against guys like Shonie Carter, rather than being knocked out!

For all the talk about Quarry's "heavy hands" and Franklin's "weak chin," it turned out to be the exact opposite situation.

That "Superman Punch" was great, too. Terrible fight, terrific finish.

It is no wonder that Dana and the UFC hyped Riggs and Quarry so much, because if everyone really KNEW how good Hughes and Franklin really are, no one would have tuned in to watch.

Yup. They have to hype the fights, but of course we don't have to believe it. But sometimes it seems as if the fighters themselves fall for their own hype!

Hughes dismantled Riggs easily. As soon as he obtained side mount he went for the kimura and worked it til he got it.

Riggs said that wrestling was all Hughes had over him, and that he is bigger, stronger and a better striker (oh, and "better looking," too.) Well, apparently that wrestling was enough for a first round submission!

Riggs should consider himself lucky that he did not receive serious injury before he tapped.

I was skeptical of both Quarry and Riggs, but I thought Riggs had a small possibility of winning. Hughes isn't a great striker, and showed some vulnerability against St. Pierre. It's theoretically possible that someone could land some blows before Hughes takes him down. Easier said than done. Didn't happen. Hughes defended himself well and even landed a really nice kick to the mid-section. Of course Riggs wanted the ground and pound but that's easier said than done, as well. Has Hughes ever been ground and pounded before?

What is shocking to me when I think about it is just how GOOD Franklin and Hughes are as fighters.

So what's next for these guys? Hughes/ St.Pierre II? That would be nice. How good is BJ Penn? Will they put him in the cage with one of these guys soon? And how about Franklin, who's next for him? Is Louiseau in the same weight class? I'd like to see that.

And both of them appear to be unassuming men you might pass everyday in the grocery store, or at the mall.

I like that, too. It was funny seeing the pre-fight interview with Franklin because he's such a nice guy. "If Nate thinks I have a weak chin, then I'm sorry he's making that mental mistake." Classic! He's too nice to trash talk. Hughes has a temper, you can tell, but he's not into it either.Edited by: JD074

 

[White_Savage]

Funniest moment of UFC 56:

The awful fight between Gonzaga and Jordan has just ended.

Guess you had to be there.

Except for the aforementioned fight between Gonzaga and Jordan, the fights were excellent.

Yeah. It takes 15 minutes to decide "Hmmm, think I'm going to throw a right hand at this guy"?

Still, Kevin Jordan=another ******* who failed to take over the UFC-even with an opponent like Gonzaga. It's like their hard-drives lock up when they have to try and keep track of striking AND clinching AND wrestling AND the ground game all at the same time.

 

[Guest]

That Gonzaga/Jordan fight was the worst fight I have ever seen. That was horrible, not even worthy of being on a KOTC card. The KO was nice and all, but sitting through 14 minutes of nothing was painful. The commentary during the match was pretty funny though.

I didn't like the Prangley/Horn decision, other than that, all of the fights were very one sided with no real surprises. Well actually, GSP's utter domination of Sherk surprised me.

Tito and Shamrock are back. Tito will be facing Forrest in April, then a rematch with Shamrock after TUF3. I don't like Tito but having him back will make things a little interesting.

The UFC desperately needs some life in its HW division. After Arlovski dominates Mir, they're back to where they are now, no competition for Arlovski. I wish they'd bring back the LWs.

So what's next for these guys? Hughes/ St.Pierre II? That would be nice. How good is BJ Penn? Will they put him in the cage with one of these guys soon? And how about Franklin, who's next for him? Is Louiseau in the same weight class? I'd like to see that.

BJ Penn is really good. He has beaten Hughes, Gomi, and a couple of Gracies among others. He never actually lost the title he won from Hughes (hence his T Shirt at UFC 56). I think GSP will get another shot at Hughes before BJ Penn, but who knows, they may want the Penn/Hughes rematch first. Or they may even go Penn/GSP for the #1 contender spot. I don't see Penn beating either GSP or Hughes though. Hughes won't take him lightly in a rematch.

And yeah, I think Louiseau will be next for Franklin, I don't see anyone else having a chance really. The only way I see Louiseau winning is from a cut due to his elbows, but I doubt it, I am sure Franklin will beat him.Edited by: panzer

 

[Guest]

white_savage:

i wonder how much it bothered you when rampage beat down chuck liddell. i bet you ignored that, didn't you? a black guy with not much training pounded the UFC champion at 205.
that's what would happen all the time if blacks cared about the UFC.

 

[Gary]

Blacks don't care about what they can't succeed at-Strong Man Contest-UFC-Swimming-Ice Hockey-Nation Building!!!

 

[Guest]

i wonder how much it bothered you when rampage beat down chuck liddell. i bet you ignored that, didn't you? a black guy with not much training pounded the UFC champion at 205.
that's what would happen all the time if blacks cared about the UFC.

So Rampage beat Liddell once, two years ago. What is your point? Rampage and Yves are pretty much the only two blacks in MMA that are any good.

Randleman is 2-6 in his last 8 fights. Charles Bennett loses whenever he fights someone with a decent record(exception being Maeda). Kevin Jordan is a joke and we'll never see him in a big show again. Gilbert Yvel is widely accepted as the biggest A-hole in MMA, DQ for biting and eye gouging, KO'ed a ref then kicked him when he was down. Zuluzinho is just a big slob who was handed his last victory, worst stoppage I had seen in a while. He would never have made it to the big shows if it wasn't for Pride's fascination with giants. Not one single champion in Pride or UFC is a black, and there won't be one for a long time.

I can't believe someone here has your kind of attitude. On top of it, you're just plain wrong.
Edited by: panzer

 

[White Shogun]

panzer writes:

I didn't like the Prangley/Horn decision ...
Tito will be facing Forrest in April, then a rematch with Shamrock after TUF3...After Arlovski dominates Mir...

I disagreed strongly with the Prangley/Horn decision, too. I don't think it really should have been a close decision, either.

I must have missed the Tito-Forrest announcement. All I can say is - Wow! Who do you think will win that one? Right now I have a hard time thinking Forrest will beat Tito. I'm almost concerned for him, lol. I'd hate for it to turn out like Franklin-Quarry, with Forrest on the receiving end. What do you think, panzer? Who do you like? White Savage, where are you?

And finally, why do you think that Arlovski will handle Mir so easily? I'm thinking it will be a very good, close fight, although Mir has been out for awhile.

 

[Guest]

Blacks don't care about what they can't succeed at-Strong Man Contest-UFC-Swimming-Ice Hockey-Nation Building!!!

mark henry dominated the 2002 arnold strongman competition and he barely trained for it.

he was obviously much stronger than any of the guys in strongman at the time. he was as strong as any powerlifter at the time.

he's lazy though.

 

[White Shogun]

white_savage:

i wonder how much it bothered you when rampage beat down chuck liddell. i bet you ignored that, didn't you? a black guy with not much training pounded the UFC champion at 205.
that's what would happen all the time if blacks cared about the UFC.

jody, you've been around these boards since August, and you just now post an inciting, inflammatory post about a fight that took place two years ago? What, did you start running Google searches to come up with black fighters who've won in the UFC or Pride?

You should add that he has also beat Igor Vovchanchin, while you're at it. That was three years ago.

But prior to that, Jackson lost to Kuzushi Sakuraba. Have you heard of him? Here is a pic:

Then again, more recently, Jackson has been beaten TWICE by Wanderlai Silva and once by Mauricio Rua, via TKO, KO, and KO.

Your black MMA savior isn't invincible, and I wouldn't bet against Chuck Liddell in a rematch against him, either (although Chuck does seem to have the beginnings of a beer belly growing on him.

)

 

[White Shogun]

mark henry dominated the 2002 arnold strongman competition and he barely trained for it.

Why is it that when a white person points out that whites can win in sprints (Wariner, Rock) or boxing (Klitschkos, et al,) people are quick to say, "hey that's just one guy, it doesn't prove anything. Blacks still dominate those sports."

But when a white person says whites dominate strength sports or mixed martial arts, someone will quickly try to find the one or two examples of blacks who have won in those sports to illustrate that whites do *not* dominate those events? Well do they or don't they? Whats the damn diff?

 

[Guest]

So Rampage beat Liddell once, two years ago. What is your point?

my point is that if blacks cared about the UFC they would dominate it. there aren't enough blacks to dominate every sport though, so they leave the UFC to other races.

i remember when maurice smith beat down mark coleman. maurice smith was the UFC champion. that was funny.

kerry mccoy was the best big american freestyler for a while. how many kerry mccoys are playing football instead of fighting? literally hundreds.

on the last season of the ultimate fighter, one single crappy black heavyweight beat down 4 white heavyweights.

what you guys don't understand is that the UFC is like a motorcross event or a monster truck show. it's a white thing that few people care about. you think the champions are good but they're average. the talent pool is small.

 

[Guest]

jody, you've been around these boards since August, and you just now post an inciting, inflammatory post about a fight that took place two years ago? What, did you start running Google searches to come up with black fighters who've won in the UFC or Pride?

i saw the comments in this thread which are some funny stuff. the UFC champions are so good? black brains freeze up in the UFC? i'm just showing why you guys are wrong. that's all.

edit: my black savior? rampage is an typical athletic black guy with a mean attitude. seriously there are thousands of black guys like him. i don't expect him to win anything. he's just an example. if blacks cared about the UFC chuck liddell would be facing liteally a dozen guys like him and he would lose eventually for sure.Edited by: jody

 

[White_Savage]

white_savage:

i wonder how much it bothered you when rampage beat down chuck liddell. i bet you ignored that, didn't you? a black guy with not much training pounded the UFC champion at 205.
that's what would happen all the time if blacks cared about the UFC.

Ah yes. Let's look at a few OTHER of "Rampage's" career highlights, since he IS the best Negroidal fighter in MMA.

Subbed by Sakuraba in the first round ...hey, don't you ******* supremacist types think Asians are supposed to be even worse fighters than Whites?...

Brutally K.Oed by Mauricio Rua...

Brutally K.Oed by Wanderlei Silva...Twice.

Those are the only "names" he's ever fought in MMA. Liddell is the only name worth considering he's ever beaten. I don't know what the hell was wrong with Liddell, though I hear he partys too hard and his style was always a little to wild. Randy Couture beat him the first go round pretty easily, then Chuck smartened up a little and actually used some skill and strategy in the rematch. Since he's improved and beaten better fighters than Jackson since, I doubt he'll make the same mistake twice.

There are many more negroidals at the amateur level of MMA than you see at the elite levels-I've seen this.

Negroidals don't compete well with the various human races at the highest levels though because once you get past the level of a mindless brawl, the need for muscular strengh, endurance, and most of all-intelligence takes over. Quick-twitch fibers and inch-thick skulls just aren't enough in this sport.

 

[Guest]

Why is it that when a white person points out that whites can win in sprints (Wariner, Rock) or boxing (Klitschkos, et al,) people are quick to say, "hey that's just one guy, it doesn't prove anything. Blacks still dominate those sports."

But when a white person says whites dominate strength sports or mixed martial arts, someone will quickly try to find the one or two examples of blacks who have won in those sports to illustrate that whites do *not* dominate those events? Well do they or don't they? Whats the damn diff?

because nobody cares about strength sports? especially because blacks do not care about strength sports?

i only know 4 men who have bench pressed 700 pounds without a bench press shirt. 2 of them were black. and 2 were white. now it's pretty obvious that powerlifting is something white men do when they're not good enough to play in the NFL. so how many black NFL players could be great powerlifters instead? lots of them. also, the number 2 squatter in the world is a black guy, but going pound for pound he's number 1.

i don't think there's anything wrong with recognizing that pudzianowski and coan are awesome strength athletes. you have to realize though that there's no money in those sports.

 

[Guest]

Ah yes. Let's look at a few OTHER of "Rampage's" career highlights, since he IS the best Negroidal fighter in MMA.

well, let's see. hasn't lost to the best 205 fighter in the UFC. and hasn't lost to a white fighter.

we all know those guys in the UFC are just so good! in fact matt hughes wasn't embarrassed by a smaller hawaiian. that never happened!

are you seriously going to argue that there are NOT literally hundreds of guys like rampage in any american city with lots of blacks?

i think liddell is pretty good but man, i'm actually willing to bet that he would lose in the UFC to a good 200 pound boxer with a little training. liddell is not that good at punching. he would absolutely be forced to use his wrestling to win that fight.

the only good guy in the UFC is arlovski who could actually be a decent boxer too.

 

[White_Savage]

So Rampage beat Liddell once, two years ago. What is your point?

i remember when maurice smith beat down mark coleman. maurice smith was the UFC champion. that was funny.


on the last season of the ultimate fighter, one single crappy black heavyweight beat down 4 white heavyweights.

what you guys don't understand is that the UFC is like a motorcross event or a monster truck show. it's a white thing that few people care about. you think the champions are good but they're average. the talent pool is small.

Maurice Smith won a couple of fights because these guys didn't think they had to worry about kickboxing technique. Dozens of strikers they'd already grounded and pounded gave them good evidence for their view, but hey, theres always exceptions. Randy Couture didn't make that mental mistake and he beat Smith easily. So what's Mo Smith done in MMA lately, anyway?

Speaking of black MMA fighters, Quarry was handled by Franklin pretty easily, but on the way to the title shot he destroyed experienced black kickboxer Shonie Carter. And Quarry is basically a half-trained brawler at that.

Rashad Evans won a narrow SD in a fight with a guy who's only been training for a year. He as much as admitted he wouldn't want to fight a Brad Imes with more training. Unfortunately, Brad is the only one of Rashad's opponents who came to fight. *Shrug* What can I say? They picked out a lousy crop of HWs all around this season. One sparrow does not make a spring

And the other Negroidal, Melvin, who's a much better fighter p4p btw, was defeated by his White opposition in his first fight.

What you don't understand is that MMA is EXACTLY the kind of thing that ni*ggers THINK they can compete in and would like to compete in...if they could. Lots of them try, they get a little ways and find they can't compete at the advanced level. Now that they've realized *gasp* they're not so tough in a fight witout alot of rules to maximize their particular physical advantages (long arms and thick skulls, great in boxing, in MMA, not so much), that they can easily be defeated by a strong, smart, skilled White fighter, I imagine more of them are tending to shy away from it, that being the usualy ******* response to anything difficult.


While you're mentioning motorsports, why not mention Nascar instead, which has almost zero negroidals, not because theres no money or fame to be had, but because it takes too much in the way of reflexes, hand-eye coordination, and intelligence for ******** to compete. Oh yeah, and strapping yourself into a car going 200 mph takes too much in the way of balls for 99% of negroidals.

 

[Guest]

Maurice Smith won a couple of fights because these guys didn't think they had to worry about kickboxing technique.

maurice smith won because mark coleman can't put anybody away because he is dumb and doesn't want to learn how to choke people. he thinks he can take steroids and lift weights and then just double leg people.

mark coleman is an olympic caliber wrestler and he got punched and kicked at will by a good but not great kickboxer. and then he got knocked out by pete williams.

Dozens of strikers they'd already grounded and pounded gave them good evidence for their view, but hey, theres always exceptions.

any good ones? no. and now that people know that all they have to do is learn how to sprawl to avoid one dimensional freestyle wrestlers, mark coleman and kevin randleman and mark kerr have gone away.

Randy Couture didn't make that mental mistake and he beat Smith easily. So what's Mo Smith done in MMA lately, anyway?

he quit because he proved what he wanted to prove.

Speaking of black MMA fighters, Quarry was handled by Franklin pretty easily, but on the way to the title shot he destroyed experienced black kickboxer Shonie Carter. And Quarry is basically a half-trained brawler at that.

carter is crap. evans is crap too. are you going to use these as good examples now? that crap black fighters can be beat, so no blacks could ever dominate the UFC?

What you don't understand is that MMA is EXACTLY the kind of thing that ni*ggers THINK they can compete in and would like to compete in...if they could.

they're too busy dominating boxing where the money is 10 times as much. and they go right to the top of wrestling when they want to. i'm sure it was a huge relief for you when gardner beat dremiel byers in the 04 trials. too bad nobody could beat kerry mccoy. good thing a few more big black guys didn't care about greco roman or gardner would have been out of there.

there's no reason they couldn't dominate the UFC if they wanted.

 

[Guest]

is rhadi ferguson a fluke in judo? or is he just one of hundreds of big mean black guys who could dominate all of these sports if they cared?

 

[White_Savage]

"well, let's see. hasn't lost to the best 205 fighter in the UFC. and hasn't lost to a white fighter."

According to you, Whites are better athletes than Asian and Mestizos. As to Chuck being the best fighter...now he is...maybe. He's got a punchers chance against anybody on any given night...maybe he's honestly better than Couture, et al. But he's calmed his style down alot and learned alot, since the fight with Jackson, too.

"we all know those guys in the UFC are just so good! in fact matt hughes wasn't embarrassed by a smaller hawaiian. that never happened!"

We all know UFC is not the big show, PRIDE is. But Whites, Mestizos, and Japs dominate PRIDE too.

Hawaiian? Once again, you name a race that according your twisted little heircharchy, shouldn't even be able to stand up with Whites. Though B.J. Penn is mostly White from where I'm looking.

Hughes' early losses came when he was inexperienced and basically just a wrestler, operating on animal athleticism and agression. Getting caught with submissions or a knee on takedown are part of the learning curve when you come in with that style. Now he might be the best 170 pounder, an exception to the Pride-UFC rule. What do you think of him destroying your pet ******** Laverne Clark and Carlos Newton-twice?

"are you seriously going to argue that there are NOT literally hundreds of guys like rampage in any american city with lots of blacks?"

There's not a dozen ******** in the world like Rampage-skilled enough to even be at the fringes of the best MMA promotion on earth. He probably has above average strength, endurance, and intelligence for his race.

"i think liddell is pretty good but man, i'm actually willing to bet that he would lose in the UFC to a good 200 pound boxer with a little training. liddell is not that good at punching. he would absolutely be forced to use his wrestling to win that fight."

Liddell's talent lies in being a striker who can keep from being taken down long enough to actually use his strikers. This distinguishes him from your hypothetical ******* boxers, who have again and again failed to get past competent ground'n'pounders. Whites are better at wrestling on average-it's been proven again and again our twitch fiber types are better for maximum strength and long endurance. You add the mental demands of MMA complexity, and the reason behinds MMA's "complexion" is pretty obvious. So an intelligent guy like Chuck, fighting a boxer, would simply tailor his training to the problem at hand and defeat him on the ground.

"the only good guy in the UFC is arlovski who could actually be a decent boxer too."

There are some people with fine boxing skills in MMA. Vitor Belfort had some, Nick Diaz showed a few, and the Greatest himself, Fedor Emelianenko, has few equals as a striker. But by itself, it amounts to very little. Two-ounce gloves are quicker, and slip through openings, you don't have big gloves that can be used in defense, you can be clinched and grabbed, and oh yeah, you have to worry about elbows, knees, kicks, and takedowns.

And thinking about all those angles seems to confuse most ********'s primitive brains. I've seen lots of fights-with guys like Goodridge, Randleman, Eastman, that ******* Diego Sanchez grounded and pounded at the last UFC, even Jackson-These ******** seemed to freeze up when the fight develops rapidly in a way they didn't expect.

 

[White Shogun]

maurice smith won because mark coleman can't put anybody away because he is dumb and doesn't want to learn how to choke people. he thinks he can take steroids and lift weights and then just double leg people.

Who is this you're talking about again? Quinton Jackson? Yeah I agree, man he is dumb, he didn't even know how to defend against a rear naked choke. He does look like he is on the juice, doesn't he?

Oh wait... you're not talking about Rampage Jackson? You're talking about Mark Coleman? Oh okay.. My bad.

 

[White Shogun]

I think jody is a skinny white kid who has fantasies about being gang-raped by

just one of hundreds of big mean black guys who could dominate

 

[White_Savage]

"is rhadi ferguson a fluke in judo? or is he just one of hundreds of big mean black guys who could dominate all of these sports if they cared?"

Was Vitali's recent career proof that all ******** suck at boxing? He outboxed every ******* he ever fought after all, never got knocked down, never got behind on the scorecards, loosing only twice on bad luck, knocking out dozens of ******** along the way. Aren't these the superior ******* athletes who get paid tens of millions of dollars and can beat any White man?

And of course ******** care about dominating sports, every sport. Everyone knows that they are, on average, stupid, criminal, and unpleasant, disliked by all the fully human races. The lie of physical superiority is all they have going for them. Their success in a few sports hand-picked to play to their strengths is all that ever got otherwise sensible people to even think about the possibility of them being "equal".

That is why there is so much real animosity towards every sport or position in sport that ******** suck at, on the part of ******** and their allies. That is why you have silly affirmative action programs in sport, pretending that blacks can throw the ball in football anywhere as near as well as a White QB or compete in Nascar, etc. That's why you have a few semi-skilled blacks in the margins of MMA getting fed enough cans to keep them in it. That's why people like you are so desperate to clap your hands over your ears and hum la-la-la-Strongman doesn't matter, wrestling doesn't matter, Olympic lifting doesn't matter, MMA doesn't matter, Russian HWs don't matter, blacks are best at everything, despite the actual results. And despite the fact that claiming a particulary genotype to be the best at every sport is like claiming you've combined a race car, a bull-dozer, and a compact car into one vehicle that does all three jobs as well or better...but that's logic and science, two things you're immune to, I suppose.

Oh, you'll try to set a black or two up as the "greatest" at something they really suck at, you'll try to heap contempt on sports black fail at, but it'll fail. The White race is growing a spine again my friend. Things like Katrina have taught them the nature of their enemy. Things like MMA are teaching them the enemy's weaknessess.

And even if every single solitary White person dropped dead tonight, you'd still be screwed. At best you'd get to live the wonderful Haiti-Africa lifestyle, without the misguided compassion of Whites. At worst, the other civilized races, who are not nearly so blindly compassionate as Whites, would design to eliminate the vermin from their house.