The Decline of White Sprinting

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  1. GiovaniMarcon

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    Why have white men's fastest times in many sprints declined over the years? I usually come to two possibilities:

    1 - the whites with fast times years ago used PEDs, where
    as most white sprinters today do not

    2 - young whites do not seek out sprinting opportunities in the same
    numbers or with the same enthusiasm as in years past

    Could Armin Hary have been on some kind of dope? How about Velery Borzov?

    Anyway, Bobby Morrow and Dave Sime seem above suspicion, and even they -- in the 50s -- are faster than white guys today. What the $%^& is up with that?

    Also, training today is supposedly better, and the track design is supposedly superior -- both of which are conducive to faster times. So, why are whites slower now?

    When I ran college track (I ran the 5000 and 10000) the coach immediately, from day one, sort of stacked the blacks in short sprints and the whites in the distances. Could this have something to do with it? White guys with big bodies that might have been trained to run fast were encouraged to try field events (btw - they succeeded).

    One more concern -- let's say a good white sprinter from recent memory (like, say, Morne Nagel or Matt Shirvington) drugged himself silly like some of the black sprinters who got busted drugged themselves. What might their PRs have been like? This assumes of course that they weren't already on drugs.

    I see Matt running at least a hair under 10.00 in that case.

    I really wish the cheaters -- white and black (ahem, mostly black though) -- would stop screwing up the field, because a lot of decent sprinters of all races never bother to try because the fake records seem untouchable.Edited by: GiovaniMarcon
     
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    Something we have wondered about for a while. In the US I would say it is a clear cut case of white youths not trying as hard as they can.
     
  4. Observer

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    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1719707 4
     
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    I've also posted about white Americans falling behind in sprint swimming as well. Not sure what's going on.
     
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    I don't know why whites slow down.Blacks did run a 9.95 in 1968 and then in 20 years only 0.02 improvement in 20 years. something happened in the eighthees where also the women set an incredible 100 meter record and alot of improvement in the men sprint since then.From 88 to 20 years later 0.23 improvement with now Usain Bolt with 9.69 who spread his arms 10 meters before the end and had now pushing wind.Don't forget he needed not long ago +1.8 wind for 9.72 and know he did run 9.69 without running full at the the last 10 meters and had no pushing wind.I wouldn't be supriced when he runs fully a race to the end next year and he has a good pushing wind he runs a sub 9.5 [​IMG]
     
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    Let us not forget the intimidation factor.A lot of good times by our guys past,present and I suspect in the future are run in less pressurized meets like at the Nationals where there might be precious few blacks.Put them in a meet like the Olympics and it seems like they just know they can't win.Did you see Cerutti in his heat? He totally struggled.Why?
     
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    I will go with a mix of the steroids aid blacks a little more than whites theory, And also yes, certainly there is a mental component of lack of confidence by whites. And in America track coaches stereotype the white sprinter like crazy into fitting the mold of a distance guy. The most elite blacks went from averaging about 0.1 seconds faster to running about 0.3 seconds faster currently over 100 meters. This means whites were at least competitive in the past.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
     
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    I think there was far more discipline & dedication from athletes back in the day. It seems these days people are more dedicated to X-box & many other distractions.
     
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    looking at this the wrong way


    main reason is that the places are generally being taken by black athletes
    cant fill a place that is already taken .basically any country with enough of black population will eventually take up
    the places in many of such events due to the way society and the system is as of now.


    Look at cuba as example , can anyone show me example of recent white athlete in any
    event in athletes ,let alone the shorter ones .athletics along with boxing and many other olympic sports in cuba disgusts me with
    ts lack of representation of cuban society .why is this
    why if look at disgusting recent pan american games that any country with even
    modest per cent of black population and is the same situation in sprints .again why is this .




    Again look at european countries with recent black immigration ,
    yes black athletes might have some advantages when comes to sprinting but
    it is nothing that cant find in white population if nuture it and start from a young age
    but as see with many sports like american football or now what is happening
    with soccer in many european countries that as long as black population increases
    you know what is going to happen to the presence of white athletes in the sport
    it just reflects society as a whole .
    where eventually it just becomes the norm and the stereotype and people just
    except it as it is just a sport played by overgrown men and more to life
    it is due to the big business
    nature that sport becomes and money is all that matters and not what ,or where athlete comes from
    why with soccer for me nowadays , i cant watch as get so aggressive , why have to ignore it,
    so called white flight ,dont want nothing to do with it .
    as not worth it ,as is just sport but see how can happen to any sport and whilst the sport is changing
    is the most annoying bit to live through .but when some sort of equilibrium is achieved
    it becomes the norm and is just excepted and the next generation thinks so what
    but they didnt live through it and how the sport could of been so different
    but now has been rebranded and means nothing .



    but off course with any generality there is always exceptions and people that think differently
    and these are the athletes that you follow , the wariners , the keteris's etc
    and the majority of athletes is no reflection of the quality or standard of them











    comes down to the mentality ,the character that unfortunately alot of black people have nowadays
    and is ever increasing and in bygone eras would of been curtailed by the norms of society at time
    like 70's or 80's where such character traits would be seen as ugly and nasty and uncivil
    and would of kept alot of these traits under control and such athlete out of system
    but nowadays such traits are seen otherwise
    by the way these traits are growing in all populations but nothing like said one




    comes down to the general parasitic ,attention seeking , media whore , me - me - me ,
    one -man-upmanship , always have to win attitude that these black athletes have
    that is perfectly suited to the sport of sprinting where every eye is watching you and all
    attention is focused on you .
    the fact that generally mature faster helps to fill up such positions quicker
    and before even other athlete has chance
    but maturing fast is generally sign of lack of intelligence . as to nuture it ,it takes time and that is what separates us from animals
    and so what if have to wait that little longer for such athlete , the wait is worth it
    what if generaly alot of black population only want to try to make it in sport or entertainment
    what way would society be ,would it be an intelligense based society, society would not function
    there would be no olympics .
    Again comes down to character of people as a whole , these qualities that over many years lead
    to institutions like olympics existing but once institution up and running , takes little intelligence ,stability ,etc to keep it going .



    so basically the places are being taken by black athletes ,
    reflects the way society is as whole nowadays ,the commericilization, the wrong type of capitalism ,
    media ;chronic individualism , forced multiculturalism that leads to this lack of belonging to something and
    the situation in many sports that only plays into one persons hands .
     
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    What is it that the white population needs to find to bring us back upto speed?. You certainly can't argue with the domination of sprint events.
     
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    And we certainly can see through your agenda on this site, TwistedRepeats. You are one of a few who likes to push your propaganda on this site. Don't think I don't know what you are doing.
     
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    Twistedrepeats is on the shortest of a life line. He will be banned soon if he doesn't change his thought process. It's very obvious that he is anti white in most of his posts.

    The main thing whites need is to fall in love with the sport. We need greater participation and for the track scouts to realise that whites can run too but that they mature(run fast) at a little later date on the average. If track were clean, white sprinters would probably have longer careers as blacks mature and regress more quickly. Drugs has changed all of that so everything is out of sorts.

    I will be curious to see the Lemaitre Effect in a decade or so. Hoping for some positive inroads by the youngsters.
     
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    yo pietro 1 , u need to get laid and soon baby:crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:
     
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    twisted repeats, which carribean nation are u from , protectin yo bhoys baby , well fair enough i suppose , still doping their eyeballs out though:smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin:
     
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    gauranteed, next season will be an interesting one for white sprinters and wait for the return of wariner:hail:. mark my words especially with the olympics in britain [ weather wise],all those doping controls:spy: and no ****ing about by the british olympic council, daegu was just a taster. how bout respect 4 dai green :hail: and the return of the czech sprint hurdler,[ euro champ] whose name presently escapes me. cant wait , bring on the indoor season and all those fast euros over 60metrs. / 60m hurdles
     
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    I'm a UK white.

    Bolt only needs to dope as much as cavemen.
     
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    fair enough. but u brits are way too pc[respectfully:spy:] and hey what about van commenee cosying up to chambers all last season , do your history google the scots sprinters of the early eighties , dont just accept the the rubbish being published out there and the anti white rascist crap within the british athletics culture, or indeed toby box during the mid 90s, ran clean against the perennial doper christie. research and non preconditioned analysis baby!!!!!!:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:[respectfully :spy:]
     
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    note the exceptional white sprinters in the masters ranks:biggrin:,this really is something that needs some research. note sally pearson , blasted in the us black media , asking why arent the black girls doin it!!!!!!, what is that she has and that the sisters dont, maybe just talent at its peak , but hey she gets no respect from there!!!!
     
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    That is a great point greyghost. Whites actually dominate in the masters divisions in the sprints. It hasn't been talked about here in a while although we touched on it several years ago.

    My predicition is that we are going to have to change the title of this thread in the near future to the revival of white sprinting. The "Lemaitre Effect" will spread through Europe and to other continents. For all of the naysayers, how can it be possible to have a Lemaitre and a Guliyev both come from out of no where with little training and do it while being the skinniest guys out there? There is no doubt in my mind that there is an very large pool of whites that can be more competetive in the sprints and other events. We just need for the sport to become more popular with white families. Guys like Christophe along with many others can help change this. Also girls like Sally Pearson can help change the perception about white female sprinters/hurdlers. She is virtually unbeatable and just may break the world record this summer. To think that there are not many others with the huge population in America, Europe, Australia, and South America is foolish. I look forward to the the olympics and world champs over the next couple of decades.
     

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