The Death of Mary Tyler Moore

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  1. white is right

    white is right Hall of Famer

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    My topic start isn't really about being a fan boy(mild of the Laura character from the Dick Van Dyke show), but about the show named after her being the symbolic beginning of the crazed nutter speeches that we saw last week from the usual suspects from Hollyweird.

    Mary Richards symbolized the working single woman who didn't need a man and seemed to really not want one and dealt gracefully from chauvinism from older coworkers ie Ted Knight and her boss Lou Grant. As far as I remember Murray seemed like a fruit cake or that was the impression I got. Anyway here is the show theme and opening(ps Moore looks hot in Vikings garb!)
     
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  3. Don Wassall

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    I am quite saddened to learn of Mary Tyler Moore's passing. She was great on The Dick Van Dyke Show, the whole cast was. Back then she played a very feminine girly-girl wife, which seemed to suit her nature well.

    The Mary Tyler Moore Show was the feminist equivalent (along with That Girl starring Marlo Thomas) to the "anti-racist" All in the Family of the same era, but the message was much less stark and over the top. Just as the opening above illustrates, she still played a mostly happy, vulnerable single woman who cried on occasion and made mistakes. The cast all got along in a humorous way, no feminist preaching or Mary having to deal with mean-spirited, cartoonish "misogynists" constantly blocking her way. The White men in the cast were good-hearted, not portrayed as potential rapists. Ted Knight basically played the same character he did in Caddyshack. And Mary had none of the bad-ass, snarling, anti-feminine demeanor that all actresses have to display today.

    Watching the eulogies on TV tonight, her main cause was juvenile diabetes, not anything feminist related. I highly doubt she would have thought favorably of the so-called Women's March of the other day.

    I'll always remember her as a great example of the time when younger White women were unabashedly feminine, happy, and a pleasure to be around. Mary Tyler Moore was quite pretty and alluring even though she wasn't a classic beauty; but her inner beauty always shone through. Thinking of her reminds me of how much we have lost and the unspeakable poison that feminism has unleashed on all Western societies in ever greater doses over the past half-century.
     
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    It was sad to hear of her passing.

    I liked her in the Dick Van Dyke Show. At least she didn't act like a feminist shrew in either that show or in the Mary Tyler Moore Show.

    A bit of trivia. The theme song from the Mary Tyler Moore show, Love is All Around, was written by Sonny Curtis, the same man who wrote I Fought the Law.
     
  5. Heretic

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    Outstanding post, Don. I concur 1000000% with everything you said and I was going to say some of the same things, but why bother, you pretty much covered it all and then some.

    I will only add that she was a very versatile actress and arguably should've won an Oscar (she was nominated) with her performance in the 1980 gem "Ordinary People", which won the award for Best Picture, where she played an emotionally ice-cold mother that couldn't forgive her youngest son for surviving a boating accident (as well as a suicide attempt) that killed her favorite son. Oddly enough, after her top-shelf performance in that film, she pretty much disappeared from the scene as Amerika continued its headlong descent into a dark direction, one where crass replaced class.
     
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  6. Flint

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    Actually Mary Tyler Moore was gorgeous. Her years of fame were after her young attractive prime so most memories of her are after her peak years of attractiveness. She was 30 years old at the end of the Dick Van Dyke show and mid thirties to forties for the Mary Tyler Moore show. I remember once seeing pictures of her from her younger days and wowza, she was a good looking lady! Amazing that she was a diabetic considering all her achievements.

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  7. white is right

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    I watched the pilot episode and I forgot Ed Asner was supposed to be news stereotype of a lush who hired Mary for a clerk job with a fancy title while inebriated. I was shocked that Asner was only 42 when that show was on as he looked close to 50, also Cloris Leachman was Mary's man crazy friend who was a hot cougar at about 45 and is still attractive for a 90 year old and as of a few years ago still working in Hollywood.
     
  8. Stlouis

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    Cloris Leachman played Phyllis who along with her husband owned the building where Mary lived. To my knowledge, (I did not see many of the final 2 years),Phyllis never lusted after any men not even when her husband, Lars, cheated on her with the man-crazy Happy Homemaker played by Betty White.
     
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    I remember a long time ago, on some late night talk show, Mary Tyler Moore saying the viewing public for The Mary Tyler Moore Show was taken aback by the number of Jewish actors on the show. This was a few years after the show. I always wondered why she said such a thing. I don't recall the issue at all. I guess by that time she was married to her Jewish husband and the creep had set in.
     

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