The 29 White Heavyweight Champions

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  1. Charles Martel

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    Who do you consider to be the best of these 29 heavyweights?

    Alexander Povetkin
    Wladimir Klitschko
    Vitali Klitschko
    Nikolai Valuev
    Sultan Ibragimov
    Ruslan Chagaev
    Oleg Maskaev
    Siarhei Liakhovich
    Corrie Sanders
    Tommy Morrison
    Francesco Damiani
    Gerrie Coetzee
    Ingemar Johansson
    Rocky Marciano
    Lee Savold
    James J. Braddock
    Max Baer
    Primo Carnera
    Jack Sharkey
    Max Schmeling
    Gene Tunney
    Jack Dempsey
    Jess Willard
    Tommy Burns
    James J. Jeffries
    Marvin Hart
    Bob Fitzsimmons
    James J. Corbett
    John L. Sullivan
     
  2. Old Scratch

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    Klitschko brothers, the best of all time, period. I lean towards Vitali for his incredible chin. Gene Tunney was great but he could hardly be considered a HW by today's standards.
     
  3. Westside

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    The Vitali circa 2003-2004 would beat all the fighters on this list and all of the negro heavyweight champs throughout time.

    His only draw back will be his limited time at the absolute top. This would include taking a back seat to his younger brother Wlad who is the reigning champion since 2006. Going on 7 years currently.
     
  4. Average American

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    Marciano.., going away.

    the greatest boxer in history (imo)
     
  5. whiteathlete33

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    You may be right however he would have no chance against a either Klitschko brother or even many of the heayvweights today.
     
  6. werewolf

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    No, the Klitschkos are. Marciano would be the cruiserweight champ today.

    The tragic Corrie Sanders - I think he had the potential to be the best of them all, but he hated training. The one time he really got himself into top condition was vs. Wlad.
     
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    Sanders was a beast when in top form. I'd say Ibragimov is the best of the smaller heavyweight though.
     
  8. The Hock

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    The two Klitschos in a class by themselves. Vitali has the edge because of his incredible chin.

    Jerry Quarry could beat a lot of guys on this list.
     
  9. white is right

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    Wlad is the greatest in accomplishments but Vitali is the greatest in terms of a tournament of past champions. Sanders could be a wild card and so could Tommy Morrison if he connected. I'm afraid that Dempsey, Marciano, Tunney and other greats would be too small to trouble either brother and probably not the 2nd tier of modern fighters like Sanders or Morrison. I would love to see what Jefferies could do in the modern era as he had modern era size and Nate Fleischer rated him the 2nd best heavyweight ever.
     
  10. werewolf

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    Timur Ibragamov? Why would you say that?
     
  11. Average American

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    W.Klitschko lost to Ross Purrity :pound:

    here's the list of all the professional fights that Marciano lost:
     
  12. whiteathlete33

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    Not Timor Ibragimov. Sultan Ibragimov.
     
  13. The Hock

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    Too bad Sultan Ibragimov pretty much gave up boxing after losing to Vlad. He could have done some more damage among the other heavies.

    His cousin Timid Imbackinoff sucks though.
     
  14. werewolf

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    Yeah, the Sultan retired from boxing over five years ago after Wlad beat him. He had been undefeated up until then.
     
  15. Charles Martel

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    I agree - Sultan Ibragimov was very underrated by the mainstream boxing media and by most fans.
     
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    Mike Tyson wanted to be in the corner of Sultan Ibrag. in his fight vs. Dr K but the Arizona Parole board wouldn't let him go. He wanted to be there because both he and Sultan are Moslems. The controlled US media didn't report this because they are simultaneously in the business of a. Deifying Negroes, and b. Demonizing Moslems.
     
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    Awesome short video of Jack Dempsey in color.

     
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    Vitali was the best heavyweight ever, hands down. He would absolutely obliterate guys like Ali, Holmes, and Tyson. Not only was he huge but his skills were the best ever for such a large guy and he might have the best chin in boxing history.
     
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    Yes, Vitali was the best hands down. He won 90% of his fights by KO and never got knocked down. He lost to Lewis because of a bad cut but was still fighting very well when the fight was stopped. Klitschko was winning the fight and had the momentum even though he was bleeding badly, Lewis was tiring rapidly at that point and Vitali probably would have stopped him in the next 2-3 rounds, given what we know of both fighters histories. Lewis didn't want a rematch; he retired immediately after. Vitali had to quit against Byrd because he injured his rotator cuff but he was dominating that fight also.

    Vitali had great size and he knew how to use it. He was a master at using his long arms and legs to keep his distance from his opponent. He had an outstanding jab, a very good hook with either hand, and a very good straight right. He just wore down opponents and no one could ever figure out how to beat him. Some people say Lewis beat him but anyone who knows boxing knows Vitali clearly beat every boxer he fought.
     
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    Cool video, especially the colorization which makes it look more contemporary. But still it was a much different time, when Whites still had heroes to idolize and openly root for, and virtually all Whites whatever their class dressed well.
     
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    Tyson Fury. (Oh, I forgot! He's not on this list.) I would not hesitate to include black fighters because I believe the greatest white heavyweights are very much the equal of the greatest black heavies. I'm somewhat skeptical about fighters from the 1990s on due to steroids and other enhancements, which overstates their true abilities. I also do not think American fighters of late are as good as they were in the 20th century due to a lack of the kinds of great old trainers we once had and due to the loss of the warrior ethos that once obtained in boxing when the best actively sought out the best. LaMotta fought SRR six times! Greb and Tunney fought at least four times; Patterson and Johannsen fought three times. And, of course Ali and Frazier fought three times.

    Going from your list I have the top tier ranked as below:

    1. Marciano
    2. Dempsey (the YOUNG Jack, not the older one who had his head turned by Estelle and European life).
    3. Vitali Klitschko
    4. Wlad Klitschko
    5. Gene Tunney

    I believe that Marciano would have outpointed Ali in 15 rounds or maybe have KO'd him late. No other fighter (white OR black) prior to the steroid-soaked '90s would have fared well against Rocky, other than possibly Foreman. For George to beat Rock, he'd have to get him early because once past about the 5th round Rocky begins to grind him down. Heck, Foreman couldn't put Ali down when Ali did his "rope-a-dope" and just let George throw as hard as he could for 7 rounds. Joe Frazier, sitting at ringside during that fight, yelled up at Ali, "You wouldn't have tried that on Marciano cause Marciano would have put you on your ass." Such was the respect Rocky Marciano's power had with the great black fighters. Walcott, Ezzard, Archie Moore, and Joe Louis all said that Marciano hit harder than anyone they'd ever fought. So did Ali, who said that Marciano was the one fighter in history he thought might have beaten him. The overrated and cowardly Sonny Liston and Mike Tyson would never have had a chance against a pulverizer like the fearless Marciano.

    The great black fight trainer Don Turner, who trained Evander Holyfield and the Klitschkos, said that Marciano hit harder than any man he'd ever seen in over 50 years in boxing. That video of Don Turner is available on You Tube under the title "Don Turner Gets Deep on Rocky Marciano." It's a fascinating interview with this legendary trainer. So I have little doubt that Marciano could defeat any fighter of the 20th century. After that, guys began to get so monstrously large that I don't know if anyone from the 20th could have beaten them. I can't see anyone who ever fought beating the gigantic and insanely powerful white British heavyweight Tyson Fury (6'9" and 273 pounds), who also has excellent boxing skills. If you've not seen Fury's total annihilation of Deonte Wilder in their second fight, check it out on You Tube. You can literally see the fear in Wilder's face and eyes as he looks for a place to hide. It was almost like watching a man fight a kid.

    The young Dempsey was a savage, fast as lightning, ferocious as a tiger, and a whirlwind in the ring. In his youth he'd have been a match for any fighter of the 20th century, but I can't see him beating Marciano, though it would be a furious fight from start to finish. Due to Jack's hard-charging starts, this wouldn't have lasted long as it would be a fight where something's gotta give early. I see both men down within the first three rounds with Marciano's bone-crushing power beating Jack's arms so badly that soon they drop and then Rock finally administers the coup de grace. The ferocity of this fight could possibly endanger both men's lives as we contemplate the terrible beating Dempsey gave to Willard and the tragedy Marciano visited upon Carmen Vingo, who was nearly paralyzed.

    I'd say Rocky, Ali, Louis, Dempsey, and Foreman may have been the 20th century's top five all-time best.
     
  22. Charles Martel

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    Sultan was very underrated. Too bad he didn't continue fighting longer.

     

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