NY Legalizes S0d0mite "Marriage"

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  1. DixieDestroyer

    DixieDestroyer Hall of Famer

    Jan 19, 2007
    More complete moral decay & embrace of vile degeneracy as our Republic crumbles.

    Gay marriage backers: NY vote has national impact


    By DAVID CRARY, AP National Writer David Crary, Ap National Writer â€" Sat Jun 25, 2:05 pm ET

    NEW YORK â€" Many obstacles still lie ahead for supporters of same-sex marriage, and eventually they will need Congress or the Supreme Court to embrace their goal. For the moment, though, they are jubilantly channeling the lyrics of "New York, New York."

    "Now that we've made it here, we'll make it everywhere," said prominent activist Evan Wolfson, who took up the cause of marriage equality as a law student three decades ago.

    With a historic vote by its Legislature late Friday, New York became the sixth â€" and by far the most populous â€" state to legalize same-sex marriage since Massachusetts led the way, under court order, in 2004.

    With the new law, which takes effect after 30 days, the number of Americans in same-sex marriage states more than doubles. New York's population of 19 million surpasses the combined total of Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont, New Hampshire and Iowa, plus the District of Columbia.

    The outcome â€" a product of intensive lobbying by Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo â€" will have nationwide repercussions. Activists hope the New York vote will help convince judges and politicians across the country, including a hesitant President Barack Obama, that support of same-sex marriage is now a mainstream viewpoint and a winning political stance.

    "New York sends the message that marriage equality across the country is a question of `when,' not `if,'" said Fred Sainz, a vice president of the Human Rights Campaign.

    Wolfson, president of the advocacy group Freedom to Marry, said the goal is attainable by 2020, or sooner, "if we do the work and keep making the case."

    The work â€" as envisioned by leading activists â€" is a three-pronged strategy unfolding at the state level, in dealings with Congress and the Obama administration, and in the courts where several challenges to the federal ban on gay marriage are pending.

    "This will be a big boost to our efforts nationally," said Richard Socarides, a former Clinton White House adviser on gay rights. "It will help in the pending court cases to show that more states are adopting same-sex marriage, and it will help in the court of public opinion."

    The New York bill cleared the Republican-controlled Senate by a 33-29 margin, thanks to crucial support from four GOP senators who joined all but one Democrat in voting yes. The Democratic-led Assembly, which previously approved the bill, passed the Senate's stronger religious exemptions in the measure, and Cuomo swiftly signed it into law.

    Gay rights activists have been heaping praise on Cuomo for leading the push for the bill, seizing on an issue that many politicians of both parties have skirted. Yet the Senate vote marked the first time a Republican-controlled legislative chamber in any state has supported same-sex marriage, and several prominent Republican donors contributed to the lobbying campaign on behalf of the bill.

    For those engaged in the marriage debate nationally, recent months have been a political rollercoaster.

    Bills to legalize same-sex marriage failed in Maryland and Rhode Island despite gay rights activists' high hopes. However, Illinois, Hawaii and Delaware approved civil unions, joining five other states â€" California, Nevada, New Jersey, Oregon and Washington â€" that provide gay couples with extensive marriage-like rights.

    Adding those eight states to the six that allow gay marriage, more than 35 percent of Americans now live in states where gay couples can effectively attain the rights and responsibilities of marriage. Just 11 years ago, no states offered such rights.

    For now, gay couples cannot get married in 44 states, and 30 of them have taken the extra step of passing constitutional amendments banning gay marriage. Minnesota's Republican-controlled Legislature has placed such an amendment on the 2012 ballot.

    Brian Brown, president of the conservative National Organization for Marriage, vowed to seek defeat of the New York Republicans who helped the marriage bill pass. He also predicted victory for the amendment to ban gay marriage next year in Minnesota, and said this would belie the claims that the same-sex marriage campaign would inevitably prevail nationwide.

    "We've won every free, fair vote of the people," Brown said Saturday. "Backroom deals in Albany are not an indication of what people in this country think about marriage."

    Efforts may surface in some states to repeal the existing marriage bans, but the prospect of dismantling all of them on a state-by-state basis is dim. In Mississippi, for example, a ban won support of 86 percent of the voters in 2004.

    Thus, looking long term, gay marriage advocates see nationwide victory coming in one of two ways â€" either congressional legislation or a U.S. Supreme Court ruling that would require all states to recognize same-sex marriages.

    "The way you do that is creating a critical mass of states and a critical mass of public opinion â€" some combination that will encourage Congress and the Supreme Court," Wolfson said. "By winning New York, we add tremendous energy to the national conversation that grows the majority."

    Shorter term, gay rights activists and their allies in Congress would like to repeal the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, which denies federal recognition to same-sex marriages. The act is being challenged in several court cases, and Obama ordered his administration in February to stop defending the law on the grounds it is unconstitutional.

    Democrats in Congress have introduced a bill to repeal the law, while the Republican leadership in the House has pledged to defend it.

    Obama, when elected, said he supported broadening rights for gay couples but opposed legalizing same-sex marriage. More recently, he has said his position is "evolving," and he asked gay activists at a New York City fundraiser Thursday for patience.

    Nonetheless, frustrations are mounting. Freedom to Marry says more than 112,000 people have signed its "Say I Do" appeal to the president, and gay marriage supporters have launched an EvolveAlready campaign on Twitter.

    "We hope that, through this public pressure, we'll be able to move the president to understand that he's falling behind the majority of Americans who see marriage equality as a key civil right," said Robin McGehee of the advocacy group GetEqual.

    Several recent opinion polls â€" by Gallup and The Associated Press, among others â€" have shown that a majority of Americans now approve of same-sex marriage, which a decade ago lagged below 40 percent support. Particularly strong backing for gay marriage among young people, who've grown up watching gay friendly films and TV programs, has prompted many analysts across the political spectrum to suggest the trend is irreversible.

    Some conservatives, however, say the opinion polls are belied in the voting booth and point to the steady stream of approvals of state-level bans on same-sex marriage.

    "The opposition has created an illusion of momentum but not a real base of support or track record of victory in the courts," said Brian Raum, senior counsel with the conservative Alliance Defense Fund.

    Mary Bonauto would disagree.

    An attorney with Boston-based Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders, she has spent two decades battling for legal recognition of same-sex relationships. She helped win the landmark court rulings that led to civil unions in Vermont in 2000 and same-sex marriage in Massachusetts in 2004.

    Even in the 1990s, she recalled thinking the cause eventually would prevail nationwide.

    "I could see attitudes change," she said. "Eventually we have to have one standard of justice in this country and establish that sexual orientation is not a basis for discrimination."

    She recalled setbacks just a few years ago in New York â€" a 2006 Court of Appeals ruling that there was no constitutional right to same-sex marriage in the state, and the decisive defeat of a same-sex marriage bill in the state Senate in 2009.

    "The switch this time tells us there's a lot of momentum pointing toward marriage equality," Bonauto said.

    Vermont lawyer Beth Robinson, now counsel for Gov. Peter Shumlin, worked with Bonauto in the late 1990s on the case that led to the state's pioneering civil union law. She expects the move toward nationwide same-sex marriage will be bumpy but inexorable.

    "As people get to know their gay and lesbian neighbors, friends and family, the notion of denying those families equal rights becomes untenable," she said. "For New York to go there, on a vote rather that a court order, is huge ... It's a victory not just for New York, but for the whole country."

    Robinson said Vermont, which legalized same-sex marriage in 2009, offered a lesson to wary Americans in other states.

    "It isn't that the sky isn't falling â€" it's more positive than that," she said. "Vermont is a better place for it. Each of us has the opportunity to be our best selves."

    Among the New Yorkers who will now get that opportunity are Richard Dorr, 84, and John Mace, 91, who have been partners for 61 years while pursuing successful careers as voice teachers in Manhattan.

    "We thought about getting married in Massachusetts, but it just didn't seem to jibe right," said Dorr. "It should be in the state where you live."

    They plan to seek a marriage license as swiftly as possible but don't envision a lavish ceremony.

    "Just a couple of witnesses and a justice of the peace," Dorr said.

    When they fell in love, back in 1950, "marriage never crossed our mind," he added. "It was just that we had to be together. We could not stay away."


    Edited by: DixieDestroyer
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  3. Colonel_Reb

    Colonel_Reb Hall of Famer

    Jan 9, 2005
    The Deep South
    Agreed, Dixie. Thanks for posting about this.
  4. Bart

    Bart Hall of Famer

    Feb 6, 2005
    Evan Wolfson? I don't have to tell you his ethnicity, do I?

    The power they wield is frightening. Not an exaggeration. They are relentless.
  5. white is right

    white is right Hall of Famer

    Feb 16, 2006
    I heard this was passed through horse trading. Yet these same legislators don't want MMA in the state... [​IMG] I remember hearing one anti-MMA legislator saying he was against MMA because it was violent and if they got rid of the violence he would support the sport. I guess he flip flopped on this issue by homosexual unions getting rid of sodomy... [​IMG]
  6. screamingeagle

    screamingeagle Mentor

    Oct 24, 2005
    Gay marriages soon to be followed by gay divorces. Only gay political leaders want marriages, the average gay does not.
  7. foobar75

    foobar75 Master

    Jul 29, 2008
    Note that this has been brought to you by a GOP controlled state senate. Often times, we refer to the GOP here as the lesser of two evils, where at least they are tougher on social issues such as gay rights and illegal immigration. As that distinction eventually disappears, it will become even more clear that we need a legit 3rd party alternative in this country, or should I say 2nd party, considering that the Dems/Repubs are essentially two sides of the same coin.

    As for this latest development in NY, I have a somewhat different take on it. It's clear now that we're (decent, normal people) fighting an increasingly uphill battle against the homosexual (and feminist) mafias. So, instead of dragging it out, let's just legalize gay marriage in the every state as soon as possible. I'm even in favor of a constitutional amendment to take care of it. That in turn should put the collapse of this upside down, deviant, morally corrupt society into overdrive. Once that's complete, we can start fresh and stronger than ever. After all, history has shown that adoption of feminism and f@ggotry are amongst the major contributors of destroying many civilizations, and the West is next. Might as well get it over with now, instead of slowly over the upcoming 20-30 years.

    I know that I'm sick and tired of this anti-White, anti-male, anti-family agenda that's being forced upon us step-by-step. [​IMG]
  8. Westside

    Westside Hall of Famer

    Sep 23, 2008
    So Cal
    You know, if two homos want to be together forever(near impossible for straight people, gays never) why couldn't they come up with an original name for their unions? I thought lesbos and gays were creative people.

    Two days ago, BO came short of endorsing this luncy. Hopefull the other side of the coin will corner him and make him state for or against corn holing one person forever.
  9. C Darwin

    C Darwin Mentor

    Mar 29, 2006
    New York
    this was passed with the help of my rino state senator, Mark Grisanti. i hope someone challenges him in the next primary.
  10. Tom Iron

    Tom Iron Mentor

    Oct 25, 2006
    New Jersey
    It is interesting that after the California mess, the politicians know not to put it on the ballot as a question, yes or no.

    Tom Iron...
  11. white is right

    white is right Hall of Famer

    Feb 16, 2006
  12. FootballDad

    FootballDad Hall of Famer

    Oct 19, 2009
    Somewhere near Kansas City, MO
    Here is an extemely well though-out article that I came across earlier today in regards to the passive nature of true conservatives versus the statists. The NY decision in favor of deviant, perverted behavior being normalized by a majority Republican state Senate is the launch point for the article.He argues that the "right" needs similar militant tactics that are used by the homosexual, race, union, abortion, etc. groups. Here is the link:
    The Need for a Militant Conservative Movement
  13. Bart

    Bart Hall of Famer

    Feb 6, 2005
    Yes! We need to stop playing defense and go on the attack.
  14. Carolina Speed

    Carolina Speed Hall of Famer

    Feb 13, 2011
    Not trying to make an excuse, but aren't most real conservatives toobusy making a living, working, raising their children, volunteering at their church, etc. you get my point, to be organizing against gay activists.

    Most homos don't have children, care nothing about religion, and cantake plenty of time from their jobs, if they have one, because they will never be fired for attending a gay rights event, because they will scream descrimination!

    I agree realconservatives need to get organized and take action, but it will be difficult, because we're too busy doing the right thing.

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