English Premier League 2012-13

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  1. Matra2

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    I don't know much about this story so I went to the Beeb's website.

    Mauricio Pochettino: a 'thoroughly modern coach'

    "Pochettino is highly regarded for his work at previous club Espanyol" (Even though they were last?)
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21084201
     
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    in the article posted by matra:


     
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    a picture isn't a proof, we need more than this to say he's a jew
    he might be white
    there is a reason why our great ancestors never thought about what we call democracy now
    amongst whites, there are some people who are better than others and should manage things
    other whites, however, can't make the good decisions, so they must be prevented from having any power


    well, he's the most dangerous of our enemies
     
  5. Europe

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    I was actually going to mention this last night, but I got sidetracked. It's a joke what is going on. I am so sick of the Argentinians.

    I don't know how many Spaniards are playing in England now. You're right. I am sure he'll start to bring in a few Argentinians.

    There are at least some non-English Brits as managers like Ferguson and Pulis.

    Rebajlo, If you were in charge, would you limit the amount of Scots, NI, Welsh that play in England too. Would you count them as a foreigner since they have there own national teams? The Welsh and NI leagues aren't close to the English league so they wouldn't have near the big teams to play for.

    I am not from there so I don't know the whole dynamic. To me it's one country.

    England and the UK are so complicate because of the separate national teams. I am assuming most people in England would treat a Welshman like an Englishman for footballing purposes, meaning no limit. Unfortunately, most don't even care how many Brazilian etc play there.

    Here is a blog that covers England Youth players. He does treat the black and white players the same of course, but at least he promotes England players and is tired of the foreigners.

    https://twitter.com/englandyouth


    http://www.englandfootballblog.com/2013/01/12/young-english-players-to-watch-in-2013/


    I read an article mentioning some possible replacements for Benetiz at Chelsea. I don't think there was one Brit. They even mentioned Maritnez of Wigan, which I don't understand. I guess all you have to be is Spanish.
     
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    gouffran, mvila, sissokho, yanga mbiwa, they are all blacks from france and newcastle are trying very hard to sign them
    if i want to see black french players i'm going to watch the french league, there are tons of them there
    i think that last week was the last time i watched a premiere league game this year

    i watched tottenham vs manchester united and while entertaining, it was not soccer

    edit: i also forgot haidara for newcastle, another "french" black player, he could sign in a few hours
     
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    N'zogbia was part of the Aston Villa team that lost to league 2 Bradford today with it looked like 9 white starters. Villa had N'zogbia, Benteki, Delph, Agbonlahor and Bent on the field at the end.
     
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    newcastle, with many black french players, is close to getting relegated too
    but they also have some great french players like cabaye, and now debuchy, these are french internationals, so i'm hoping that they'll go to 2nd division but they still have some decent talent
    after selling demba ba, they bought yanga mbiwa, haidara, gouffran, and sissoko has signed but he will come at the end of the season: that's 4 black french players, maybe even more will come until the end of the transfert window

    loic remy's representative (who was about to sign with newcastle but went to the relegation bound club QPR to replace the other black french striker djibril cissé ) said that these french players go to newcastle to get easy money, they don't care at all about football, because newcastle never won any title in recent times
     
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    Apparently there will be no criminal charges against Eden Hazard for kicking a ball boy (quite an old ball boy of 17):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR3F88MXWJI

    Now I'm not too bothered by it, as the ball boy seemed to be protecting the home team by not giving him the ball quickly, but what does it say about England that you get charged in a criminal court and a massive fine for supposed racial taunts yet kicking someone whilst they are down results in nothing but a red card?*

    *Edit: I suppose it's possible the FA will also take their own action, such as a fine.
     
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    What's wrong with Argentines? They are white and generally much better quality than African imports
     
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    I would certainly rather have Argentinians over all the Africans because of what you say, but I still think they should limit the amount of foreign players because there is an almost unlimited amount of foreigners compared to the home country's team and they will take the places of the English players in England or Spanish players in Spain or whatever league they are in.

    On another note, Arsenal with 8 white starters. 2 mixed and 1 black, looked really good against West Ham. They beat them 5-1. This could be a good team for the Champions League. If they could just replace Sagna with Jenkinson.
     
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    i don't mind having 100% south american teams personnally, because since the rules about foreign players are not respected, let's at least have some good players, and they can crush the black teams, for example i'm happy about PSG in france getting many argentines/brazilians ect because they are the whitest team infrance because of this

    in an ideal world, there should be a limit of non-european players in top clubs, 3 non-european players per club, and these players should come to europe once they have reached their full potential (after 25 years old)

    yes, what a contrast with their latest defeat where they had diaby, coquelin, ect
    incredible how a team can change from match to match, sometimes it's frustrating
    giroud scored 2 goals
    he has 8 goals in premiere league (11 goals overall)
    if you compare him with defoe, who is said to be doing a very good season, he has less goals but less play-time too, giroud scored 1 goal each 166 minutes and defoe 1 goal each 188 minutes
    and giroud gives many assists as expected too
    not bad for a first season so far

    jenkinson...so frustrating
    let's patiently wait
    sagna was suposed to leave the club during this winter transfert window, so let's see what happens
     
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    come on frederic ,
    these players that are signing for newcastle
    will never be french ,they are simply sub saharan african ,end of .
    choose your words wisely .proper france should be embarressed by what they have let
    happen to football system and now bleeding out into the rest of europe .
    and what is happening to premiership is criminal and beyond disgusting
    as for the transfer window ,nothing short of agenda by the media to only
    talk up one type of player and similarly by clubs ,trying to outdo each other.


    if we are going to live in a world where nationalism is dead then i except it
    but only if the players are european origin ,
     
  14. Rebajlo

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    Saturday, January 19; Sunday January 20; Monday, January 21:

    Liverpool 5 Norwich City 0

    LIVERPOOL:

    Started: 7 Whites (4 Englishmen), 4 blacks
    Finished: 7 Whites (3 Englishmen), 4 blacks

    NORWICH:

    Started: 8 Whites (5 Englishmen), 3 blacks
    Finished: 9 Whites (5 Englishmen), 2 blacks

    Manchester City 2 Fulham 0

    MAN. CITY:

    Started: 7 Whites (3 Englishmen), 2 blacks, 1 mestizo, 1 half-Asian
    Finished: 7 Whites (3 Englishmen), 3 blacks, 1 Arab

    FULHAM:

    Started: 9 Whites (1 Englishman), 1 black, 1 Iranian
    Finished: 10 Whites (1 Englishman), 1 black

    Newcastle United 1 Reading 2

    NEWCASTLE:

    Started: 6 Whites (1 Englishman), 4 blacks, 1 quarter-Vietnamese
    Finished: 6 Whites (1 Englishman), 5 blacks

    READING:

    Started: 6 Whites (1 Englishman), 5 blacks
    Finished: Unchanged ratio

    Swansea City 3 Stoke City 1

    SWANSEA:

    Started: 5 Whites (1 Englishman, 1 Welshman), 4 blacks, 1 Asian, 1 Israeli
    Finished: 5 Whites (3 Englishmen, 1 Welshman), 5 blacks, 1 Asian

    STOKE:

    Started: 10 Whites (4 Englishmen), 1 black
    Finished: 8 Whites (3 Englishmen), 3 blacks

    West Ham United 1 Queens Park Rangers 1

    WEST HAM:

    Started: 7 Whites (5 Englishmen), 2 blacks, 1 Arab, 1 Maori
    Finished: 6 Whites (4 Englishmen), 4 blacks, 1 Maori

    QPR:

    Started: 5 Whites (2 Englishmen), 4 blacks, 1 mestizo, 1 Arab
    Finished: 4 Whites (2 Englishmen), 5 blacks, 1 mestizo, 1 Asian

    Wigan Athletic 2 Sunderland 3

    WIGAN:

    Started: 7 Whites (No Englishmen), 2 blacks, 1 black-Amerindian, 1 Arab
    Finished: 7 Whites (No Englishmen), 1 black, 1 black-Amerindian, 1 Arab, 1 mestizo

    SUNDERLAND:

    Started: 8 Whites (3 Englishmen), 3 blacks
    Finished: 8 Whites (2 Englishmen), 2 blacks, 1 Arab

    West Bromwich Albion 2 Aston Villa 2

    WEST BROM:

    Started: 8 Whites (3 Englishmen), 2 blacks, 1 Argentine Jew
    Finished: 8 Whites (4 Englishmen), 3 blacks

    VILLA:

    Started: 7 Whites (4 Englishmen), 4 blacks
    Finished: 9 Whites (3 Englishmen), 2 blacks

    Chelsea 2 Arsenal 1

    CHELSEA:

    Started: 9 Whites (2 Englishmen), 2 blacks
    Finished: 7 Whites (2 Englishmen), 4 blacks

    ARSENAL:

    Started: 6 Whites (1 Englishman), 5 blacks
    Finished: 8 Whites (1 Englishman), 3 blacks

    Tottenham Hotspur 1 Manchester United 1

    SPURS:

    Started: 5 Whites (2 Englishmen), 6 blacks
    Finished: 4 Whites (1 Englishman), 7 blacks

    MAN. UNITED:

    Started: 6 Whites (3 Englishmen), 3 blacks, 1 mestizo, 1 Asian
    Finished: 6 Whites (3 Englishmen), 4 blacks, 1 mestizo

    Southampton 0 Everton 0

    SOUTHAMPTON:

    Started: 7 Whites (3 Englishmen), 3 blacks, 1 Asian
    Finished: 9 Whites (4 Englishmen), 1 black, 1 Asian

    EVERTON:

    Started: 6 Whites (3 Englishmen), 3 blacks, 1 Arab, 1 half-Turk
    Finished: 5 Whites (3 Englishmen), 4 blacks, 1 Arab, 1half-Turk

    SUMMARY OF ROUND:

    220 starters

    Whites: 139 (63.181 %) - Englishmen: 51 (23.181 %)

    Blacks: 63 (28.636 %) - "English" blacks: 25 (11.363 %)

    Other non-Whites: 18 (8.181 %)


    30 goals (Whites: 16; blacks: 9; half-Asians: 2; quarter-Vietnamese: 1; 2 own goals scored by Whites)


    Wednesday, January 23 (previously postponed match):

    Arsenal 5 West Ham United 1

    ARSENAL:

    Started: 8 Whites (1 Englishman), 3 blacks
    Finished: 6 Whites (1 Englishman), 4 blacks, 1 mestizo

    WEST HAM:

    Started: 7 Whites (4 Englishmen), 3 blacks, 1 Maori
    Finished: 7 Whites (5 Englishmen), 4 blacks

    Right, I'm off to have a feed. I've got a few more things to say, so I'll be back a bit later... :icon_wink:
     
  15. Rebajlo

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    The fecklessness of White (particularly English) football fans is apparently infinite. Southampton supporters were planning protest action at Tuesday's home game against Everton to voice their disapproval of Nigel Adkins' sacking, but it failed to materialise. Why? Simple really - the fans were happy that the team put in a good first half performance and ended up with a draw. :censored: Well, so much for "principles".

    This little episode encapsulates all that is wrong with football and sport as a whole: the fans ultimately don't care who wears the shirt, who manages the team, or who owns the club as long as they get the all-important result they desire (which, in Southampton's ambitious case, is a home draw against the fifth-placed team). Such an empty-headed attitude has allowed the "Caste System" to flourish an, if left unchecked - at least inplaces like England, France, the Netherlands, Belgium, the United States and, yes, Australia - it shall lead to the virtual extinction of White footballers as well as all other White sportspeople.

    Europe -

    Well, mate, if I was truly "in charge" every club would be all-White and feature a minimum eight Englishmen. :icon_wink:

    The intricacies of the British constitution aside, in terms of football England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland (or Ulster, as one pleases...) are wholly seperate entities, each with their own FA, national team and league structure. Therefore, if we were to impose proper limits on the number of non-nationals each club is allowed it is only logical that Scotsmen, Welshmen, and Ulstermen should be counted as foreign players.

    As You already know, I'm an avid advocate of tightening up "international eligibility" and of permitting only three foreign players per club, regardless of whether they are on the field, on the bench, or in the stands. A strict limit of three foreigners would place the emphasis on developing junior payers and scouting within one's own country, thus benefitting all European national teams.

    Classifying the abovementioned nationalities as foreigners would mean that White players of so-called "mixed" background (who are - unsurprisingly - quite common in Britain, particularly in England) wouldn't be nearly as keen to pledge their allegiance to the nations of their grandmothers, et cetera if such a move could potentially threaten their position within a club. Consequently, the "British" (and Irish) national teams would more accurately reflect the nations they are supposed to represent.

    For example, situations like that involving Reading defender Alex Pearce would become far less frequent. Pearce was born in England, played a couple of games for Scotland at U-21 but turns out for Ireland at senior level. This is bloody insane and an insult to the people of Scotland and Ireland, who deserve to be represented by "native" players who are fully committed to their country, in addition to being a slap in the face for the people of England, where this mercenary scrote was born and lives. But that's "modern" football for You, a "sport" in which loyalty to nations is gradually approaching a miserable par with loyalty to clubs.

    Unfortunately, the English, Scottish and Welsh leagues all include an anomaly or two which throw a chunky spanner into the works of any limits based on my "natural" , uncomplicated classification of players.

    Most obviously, the Welsh Swansea City plays in the English Premier League. Swansea may very likely be joined in the top flight by bitter rivals (and Malaysian-owned, criminally "rebranded" mess) Cardiff City, who are currently ten points clear of Leicester and Hull at the top of the League Championship.

    Then we have the Welsh clubs Wrexham and Newport County, both of which compete in the English Football Conference and English club Berwick Rangers, who play in the Scottish Third Division.

    But the strangest case of them all is TNS, i.e The New Saints of the Welsh Premier League. The New Saints represent both Llansantffraid-ym-Mechain in Wales and Oswestry in England (the two are within about ten miles of each other) and play their home matches in Oswestry. Not bad, eh?

    So, would Swansea City, Cardiff City, Wrexham and Newport County have to play eight Welshmen or eight Englishmen? How about Berwick Rangers - eight Englishmen or eight Scotsmen? One thing is guaranteed: The New Saints would certainly generate a few juicy ulcers during the decision-making process...

    Spaniards are the "new" Argentines and Brazilians. Before anyone decides to wade in and accuse me of all sorts of things, yes, I am aware that Spaniards are White but English football clubs should not be packed with foreigners of any colour. In case You were wondering, 12 Spaniards, 6 Argentines and 6 Brazilians were starters in the last Premier League round. Just to illustrate the depth of this mounting problem, Brighton & Hove Albion started four Spaniards in Tuesday's 1-1 League Championship draw with Blackburn Rovers...
     
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    frederic -

    That's an understatement - Newcastle United haven't won the Championship since 1927. Their last major trophy was the 1968-1969 Inter-Cities Fairs Cup (the precursor to the UEFA Cup)...
     
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    Regardless of whether the "ball youth" was wasting time or not, that little prick Hazard had no right to kick him in the ribs. He simply had to turn to the referee or linesman and make a complaint. But such pampered, overpaid, uneducated multi-millionaire brats (sorry, professional footballers...) believe they can behave however they please - after all, the media and fans tell them they're gods who aren't bound by the laws which govern mere mortals...

    Now, consider the uproar if the "ball youth" was black...
     
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    chelsea's obi mikel missed a penalty in an horrible fashion against zambia in the african cup of nations
    it could be costly for nigeria
    he no longer plays much for chelsea , does he?
     
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    Brighton today had a new Argentine signing playing named Ulloa, who had spent about 5 years in Spain. I don't know how he is able to play in England since he has never played for the Argentine National Team, unless he now has EU papers for being in Spain 5 years. They said he just got his international clearance.

    In addition to that, Brighton had a guy from the Congo come on. He moved to England as child, but now represents the Congo, although he has never played for their national team.

    I don't know if you have seen my list in the Against Modern Football thread listing the top countries that export players , but Spain is one of the top exporters.

    One of the studio hosts said that Santos, the Arsenal left back, is the worst Arsenal player he has seen. Why import a Brazilian like this when and Englishman would love to play for Arsenal.
     
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    I would not count them as foreigners I'm even inclined to say the same for those from the Republic of Ireland for historical reasons but since one of the largest teams (Derry City) in Northern Ireland refuses to play in the league for political reasons and many Catholics from NI choose to play for the Republic instead of NI I say to heck with them!

    The stupidest rule regarding the 'home nations' is the one that allows any player from them to play for any team. So unless the rule was changed in recent years an Englishman not good enough to play for England can opt to play for Northern Ireland, wales, or Scotland even if he's never set foot in those 'nations'. For example NI goalkeeper Maik Taylor. From his wikipedia page:

    That is absurd. Here's a somewhat related absurdity - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...yers-for-Scotland-squad-to-face-Slovenia.html

    Now you can see how this could turn out - a NI or Wales team made up of blacks from London! But this type of thing has not become widespread, in my view, because fans of NI in particular, and probably Wales and Scotland, would not accept a team made up of outsiders. I don't believe this is wishful thinking and, of course, one can overestimate the intelligence of football fans, but I think the nationalist aspect is too intense for the local FAs to mess too much with it.
     
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    Ah, but at least they have "vibrancy":

    Nile Ranger arrested on suspicion of rape

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ile-Ranger-arrested-on-suspicion-of-rape.html

    On Eden Hazard did we ever establish his ethnicity? I'm not entirely confident that he is a Walloon.

    BTW the ballboy was the son of Swansea's director and millionaire hotel owner Martin Morgan.
     
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    we concluded that he had to be a walloon

    here are his parents:


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    about his personality, i mentionned in another thread that he was not classy, with bad people around him (his representative is a classless black thug)

    another uneducated guy from the north of france - not all are bad, but...when there are strange people, they often come from the north of france, where people are the less educated, the most poor in france

    on the other hand, the healthy white man from grenoble giroud scored 2 goals once again, after scoring 2 in premiere league just before: 4 goals in 2 games :icon_cool:
     
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    Yes, I saw the game, Nigeria could be in trouble, though to be fair to him, Kennedy Mweene is really well-versed in putting off penalty takers (the goalkeeper converted a spot kick later in the match in an immaculate fashion, really seems to possess nerves of steel). Zambia are still with French managers Herve Renard and he has worked his magic with them. I think that Obi Mikel is no longer first choice for the London team and may sign with another club. Another Chelsea player who is not too happy to be asubstitute is Marko Marin, I wouldn’t be surprised if he decided to return to the Bundesliga...

    As for Hazard and his punishment, if I were to hazard a guess, I would say that he could see himself out of action for three matches (and I am fine with that, as the ball boy has forgiven him and the parents don’t see the need for a lawsuit). In my opinion his actions weren’t brutal and it seems as if he didn’t intend to kick the ball boy, but he certainly lost his head for a moment and such behavior is not acceptable. The Belgian shouldn’t have vented his frustration in such a way (it’s not Charlie Morgan’s fault that Chelsea weren’t able to score a single goal against Swansea). The Welshmen really impressed me, btw, very well-drilled team.
     
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    I was watching some news about the ball boy and it seems that many people in football support Hazard and that this is being blown out of proportion. I saw the kick and it looked like he was kicking the ball. The soccer media in America including, a former English player, have blasted the ball boy for simulation that he learned from the footballers who roll around on the ground when tackled.

    The ball boy tweeted before the game that he was going to partake is some delaying tactics if he got the chance.

    I would only give him 1 more game if any. When I first heard about it, I was expecting it be much more blatant than it was.
     
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    yes i saw the penalty scored perfectly by the zambian keeper, enyama also takes the penalty kicks
    i'm hoping that herve renard and the zambian can go far in this tournament because the zambia is not a west african country so their black players are not believed to be "physically gifted" like the nigerians are
    so they are not bought by european clubs

    i hate time-wasting...so on this one i won't blame hazard too much
     
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    It's just hit me that I forgot to count Southampton's black Brazilian striker Guilherme Do Prado. Therefore the tally should read 12 Spaniards, 6 Argentines and 7 Brazilians.

    Sorry lads... :embarrassed:
     

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