Conspiracy Theories

I think anybody who believes that it is impossible for any group to "conspire" to deceive and manipulate others is just as naive and gullible as people who quickly believe every absurd conspiracy theory about aliens and government-created hurricanes.

Here are several real conpiracies:

1) JFK assassination

Oswald was "a patsy" just like he said, that's why he was shot by Jack Rubinstein.

2) JFK Jr's death

Learn what amalek means - that will help you understand that this religious belief of a certain supremacist and vindictive group of people could lead to the destruction of Joseph Kennedy's sons and grandson. The Kennedys were considered Amalekites.

3) 9/11

Number 3 was conceived by the same cunning and manipulative supremacist group as the first three (they may have used Arabs to carry it out, just like they used the "communist" Lee Harvey Oswald for the JFK assassination). The US government had nothing to do with it. It created anti-Arab public feeling in the US so to make it easier for the supremacists to persuade George Bush to go to war with Iraq.

George Bush and all the other presidents have been very aware of this group and were afraid of them. Barack Obama is their puppet, their "house negro" who does everything he can to please his masters. John F Kennedy was the last president to really stand up to them. They became much more powerful in the 20th century: back in the 19th century, they tried to assassinate president Andrew Jackson and failed, but they have been successful at virtually everything they've attempted in the 20th century, starting with the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917.

They don't always use violent methods to achieve their ends - they were a bit frustrated with Bill Clinton's refusal to go to war with Iraq, so they sent one of their young women to give him fellatio in the white house so there would be a scandal and he'd become a "lame duck" president.



Mind you, there are a lot of ridiculous "conspiracy theories" - the moon landing hoax, aliens, hurricanes, etc. Only fools believe in stuff like that. Disinformation agents like Alex Jones (who is married to one of the supremacists) mix a little truth with ridiculous theories, so to cause people to dismiss and ignore the truth.

Carcharias said:

Mind you, there are a lot of ridiculous "conspiracy theories" - the moon landing hoax, aliens, hurricanes, etc. Only fools believe in stuff like that. Disinformation agents like Alex Jones (who is married to one of the supremacists) mix a little truth with ridiculous theories, so to cause people to dismiss and ignore the truth.

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that's the rub brother.. The high-profile, ridiculous 'conspiracy theories' give legit theories a bad name.
Ridiculous theories (to me), are the ones that invariably involve 'they's & 'the's (sorry, no offense). If you have a credible suspect, give us his name so we can investigate/verify that potential assassin/saboteur, etc. People can't credibly say sh*t like 'THE' Mafia, or 'THE' Klan, or 'THEY' pulled off a staged moon landing. What was the name of the contracted killer, or political operative..details of his personal life, where-abouts ?, etc..
You're suggesting that Lewinsky was used by 'they' to discredit Clinton, show me some evidence of the conspirators who hired her, paid her, etc.. I wouldn't rule something like that out.. but where is credible evidence (?) for this.

The other sign for me of a flimsy theory, is when a conspiracy theory simply tries to highlight inconsistencies in the accepted account of events. To say that accepted killer X gave inconsistent accounting of his act, isn't evidence for another suspect. Instead of de-constructing an account (which will be flawed). Build up the evidence for the (counter) conspiracy theory..
and ultimately, either way.. conspiracy theories are fun :typing:

The book Final Judgement by Michael Collins Piper covers all the details of the JFK assassination: names, exact motives, why Rubinstein shot Oswald, the connection between Rubinstein and the others involved, why the truth was covered up, etc.

It makes a lot more sense than the conspiracy theory of a lone gunman who wasn't a good shot hitting a man in a moving vehicle in the head at a distance from a difficult angle.

When some of the details are not known, we need to put together the pieces we do have of the puzzle in such a way that makes sense, the same way criminal investigators do.

Carcharias said:

The book Final Judgement by Michael Collins Piper covers all the details of the JFK assassination: names, exact motives, why Rubinstein shot Oswald, the connection between Rubinstein and the others involved, why the truth was covered up, etc.

It makes a lot more sense than the conspiracy theory of a lone gunman who wasn't a good shot hitting a man in a moving vehicle in the head at a distance from a difficult angle.

When some of the details are not known, we need to put together the pieces we do have of the puzzle in such a way that makes sense, the same way criminal investigators do.

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thanks man, I'm gonna take a look @ that book.

Carcharias said:

I think anybody who believes that it is impossible for any group to "conspire" to deceive and manipulate others is just as naive and gullible as people who quickly believe every absurd conspiracy theory about aliens and government-created hurricanes.

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Agree 100%, anyone who blindly accepts the official story on anything without thinking about it logically for themselves is not very intelligent. There clearly have been numerous real conspiracies, coverups, and third party deceptions in recent history.

Given a highly factual history of authoritative deception in North America, you would have to be an idiot to believe everything the government or authorities say.

The power for government or authority to lie, manipulate, and deceive the public has been shown many times in just recent history; as you note with the JFK assassination, 9/11, and even lying about Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq. Clearly, the public were purposely deceived in all of these situations to further an agenda for a third party.

Currently, I would say that the North American (and to a lesser extent European) media is creating and propagating an anti-Iranian sentiment within the American population. The media is doing this by twisting quotes of Iranians and misrepresenting Iranians in public. Its actually sickening. In Europe, Iranian media used to be shown but is now literally censored and blocked out. What about freedom of speech that is supposed to take place in democracies? And isn't it offensive and immoral that North American media is misquoting Iranians, clearly building anti-Iranian sentiment and almost trying to start a fight between Americans and Iranians?

Clearly the next deception to take place will be some sort of reason for going to war with Iran. The media has been misrepresenting Iranians and its just wrong and immoral on so many levels. We need to ask ourselves who controls this misrepresentation in the media, and who would benefit from the US going to war with Iran and why would someone try to incite a fight between two nations like this?

The media is literally going to start the war between USA and Iran. The media is not innocent and they have actually created the problem in the first place. What's sad about it is that Iran is a country of Aryans and Caucasians. That's one of the reasons why Israelis and Iranians don't get along.

Carcharias said:

Here are several real conpiracies:

1) JFK assassination

Oswald was "a patsy" just like he said, that's why he was shot by Jack Rubinstein.

2) JFK Jr's death

Learn what amalek means - that will help you understand that this religious belief of a certain supremacist and vindictive group of people could lead to the destruction of Joseph Kennedy's sons and grandson. The Kennedys were considered Amalekites.

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Thanks for pointing this out, I'll definitely have a read over this in the next few days!

What's sad about it is that Iran is a country of Aryans and Caucasians. That's one of the reasons why Israelis and Iranians don't get along.

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germans and jews don't get along because they are aryans, but iranians and jews don't get along because semitic peoples are known for being very hateful with each others

frederic38 said:

germans and jews don't get along because they are aryans, but iranians and jews don't get along because semitic peoples are known for being very hateful with each others

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Thank you for your comment but I am inclined to respectfully disagree.

First of all, Persia is the origin of the word and concept of a pure, Caucasian race known as "Aryan". "Aryan" comes from the word "Iran". And quite literally, "Iran" precisely means land of Aryans, or land of pure race. Iranian = Aryan (Here, have a read; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan). Israel and Iran have problems today largely because of this racial reality.

The reason Iranians emphasize their Aryan and Caucasian race is because in their history they had conflicts with Arabs (Semites), Mongols, and Central Asians. Some Iranians, even today reject Islam because it came from Arabs, who are seen as a non-Aryan race. I have some Iranian friends who are Zoroastrian religion, because it is a pure Aryan religion.

Hitler borrowed the concept of "Aryan" from Iranians and applied it to Nordics in Europe, in the same way that Iranians sought to classify themselves as an elite race among Arabs and Mongols. Hitler is also known as being very fond of Iranians and Ancient Persia for anyone who has done some reading on that.

Clearly, some Jewish supremacists feel threatened by Caucasians and Aryans who emphasize a pure race, so I think that creates some of the hostility between Iran and Israel today (as well as Germans and Jews in the past). In a round about way, Iran today is probably the closest relative to Aryan Germany.

Back on the topic of this thread which is conspiracy theories, in my opinion the media is sometimes used as a precursor to events, or to build public sentiments. Currently, I would say the media is currently being used to build anti-Iranian, anti-Aryan sentiment. 9/11 was used by the media to build public support to enter Afghanistan, then the media fabricated existence of WMD to enter Iraq. They will eventually have another coverup or falsified reason to enter Iran. Carcharias has brought up the notion of Amalek and how it relates to JFK, and that also provides some great further reading on understanding the motivations for Jewish supremacists.

I don't know that much about JFK specifically, but now that Ive had this discussion I will definitely read on him and his assassination.

you can consider iranians white, caucasian ect, but they are not really related to the aryans, just like modern day's greeks are not related to the ancient greeks and the modern italians are not related to the ancient romans

regarding conspiracy theories, i don't really care to know the truth about events, i look at what is meant by the conspiracy theories
and what is meant is that they basically say that european and american societies are not egalitarian enough, not democratic enough, while i think that they are way too egalitarian and democratic

Germans and Jews don't "get along" because hosts don't like their parasites. No hosts likes its parasite. I see about an equal distance of relatedness from Amedinajad to Screech (jew) on Saved by the Bell.

It's pretty stunning to here someone say they don't care about the truth. But that in itself is the truth of most of the lemmings of World.

As far as conspiracy theories go we will never be gifted the "evidence" to prove a conspiracy theory. No magic document will fly out of the sky and be allowed to fall into our hands ala 911 passports. But we do have common sense. And common sense says that we are not allowed to see evidence it's for a reason. Yep some conspiracies are hoax - some of them purposeful hoaxes. And common sense tells us that some are true.

BoxingSpecialist2 said:

First of all, Persia is the origin of the word and concept of a pure, Caucasian race known as "Aryan". "Aryan" comes from the word "Iran". And quite literally, "Iran" precisely means land of Aryans, or land of pure race. Iranian = Aryan (Here, have a read; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan). Israel and Iran have problems today largely because of this racial reality.

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Modern day Persians are a mixture of many peoples, including Semitic Arabs. There is still a dividing line between Persians and Semites in terms of language, religion and traditions as well as racial heritage, but this line is a lot thinner than 2000 or 1500 years ago. An average Persian will be far away from being “pure raceâ€.

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Clearly, some Jewish supremacists feel threatened by Caucasians and Aryans who emphasize a pure race, so I think that creates some of the hostility between Iran and Israel today (as well as Germans and Jews in the past). In a round about way, Iran today is probably the closest relative to Aryan Germany.

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[FONT=&amp]Care to explain? What is so “Aryan†about Germany…..[/FONT]

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Currently, I would say the media is currently being used to build anti-Iranian sentiment

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The overall mediocre film “Argo†won an Oscar, and “300†made Persians look absolutely stupid, so yeah, one could easily get the impression. If they really want to go to war with Iran, don’t worry they will find a reason for it – as they did before with the USS Maine, the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor or Tonkin.

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Modern day Persians are a mixture of many peoples, including Semitic Arabs. There is still a dividing line between Persians and Semites in terms of language, religion and traditions as well as racial heritage, but this line is a lot thinner than 2000 or 1500 years ago. An average Persian will be far away from being “pure race”.

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I have many Persian friends and also many, many Persian ex girlfriends. Persians consider themselves full Persian, full Caucasian and nothing else. Yes over history there has been mixture with Arabs, and to a lesser degree Mongols and Turks. It is similar to how in Germany today, ethnic Germans themselves may have slight mixtures with Poles, French, or Swiss. This is naturally occurring in human history everywhere, populations become mixed overtime.

Regardless, This thread has been made by Carcharias about Conspiracy Theories, so I don't wish to derail the discussion, and I want to stay on topic which is conspiracy theories. In my opinion, as you seem to agree with, there is a current conspiracy taking place by Jewish supremacists to slander, attack, and discredit Iranians (Aryans) in the media. This includes constant negative portrayals of Iranian leaders and culture, literally misquoting and twisting the words of Iranians to instigate a fight, and literally censoring Iranian media in Europe. I also consider the fabricated evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to have been some form of conspiracy against Caucasians which benefited Israel.

The fact that Persians are proud of their heritage, emphasize their Caucasian race, and Aryan background seems to warrant criticism and hostility from the Jewish supremacists who are using American media to attack them and hopefully instigate some sort of war. I do think Israelis today largely look upon Iran as the heir apparent to Nazi Germany.

The people perpetuating these conspiracies; fabricating WMD in Iraq when there were none, attacking and lying about Iranians and Aryans in the media, perpetuating censorship laws about the Holocaust, allegedly carrying out 9/11 and the JFK Killing, misrepresenting the degree of black on white crime in USA are the same group of Supremacists. It can be summarized that such conspiracies all share an anti-Caucasian bias.

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The overall mediocre film “Argo” won an Oscar, and “300” made Persians look absolutely stupid, so yeah, one could easily get the impression. If they really want to go to war with Iran, don’t worry they will find a reason for it – as they did before with the USS Maine, the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor or Tonkin.

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Agreed!

PS) I would welcome comments, and even criticisms from other members, what i wrote in this thread is my own opinion. So, please feel free to disagree or agree!

None of the JFK conspiracy theories hold water. However ...

If you want conspiracy, look into the Alger Hiss case. Also, Hitler and Stalin's cooperation began in 1933 not with the September 1939 pact -- that might be the greatest conspiracy of the 20th century.

Bronk said:

None of the JFK conspiracy theories hold water. However ...

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Does the accepted theory hold water? Jack Rubenstein, the Jewish Mafia strip and night club owner, was just so full of patriotism that he had to kill the killer of Kennedy. Then while in prison decides that he was part of conspiracy - and now he is a no good liar low-life instead of Jack Ruby the patriot? Then just by coincidence he gets cancer and in a very short time dies just before his new trial and just after his sqwauking about conspiracy. But wait! We are told by "unnamed associated press reports" that on his death bed he admitted that he acted alone.

Sorry, but that's the Official story. And it's a tough nut to swallow.

I'm interested in hearing more on Albert Hiss and your take. I read a little, but would like to know your take on that as well as Stalin and Hitler.

Kaptain said:

Does the accepted theory hold water? Jack Rubenstein, the Jewish Mafia strip and night club owner, was just so full of patriotism that he had to kill the killer of Kennedy. Then while in prison decides that he was part of conspiracy - and now he is a no good liar low-life instead of Jack Ruby the patriot? Then just by coincidence he gets cancer and in a very short time dies just before his new trial and just after his sqwauking about conspiracy. But wait! We are told by "unnamed associated press reports" that on his death bed he admitted that he acted alone.

Sorry, but that's the Official story. And it's a tough nut to swallow.

I'm interested in hearing more on Albert Hiss and your take. I read a little, but would like to know your take on that as well as Stalin and Hitler.

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His name was Alger Hiss, not Albert Hiss. The JFK Conspiracy believers are always good for laughs.

sport historian said:

The JFK Conspiracy believers are always good for laughs.

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Your opinions are very predictable, Mr Goldstein. :smiley:

sport historian said:

His name was Alger Hiss, not Albert Hiss. The JFK Conspiracy believers are always good for laughs.

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Hey you got me on a spelling mistake! Now how do you spell TROLLING?

What's good for laughs are bufoons that claimed to watch every NFL game from the 60's and 70's live from the 50 yard line no matter where the game was played. Where were you again when Paul Krause purposely ducked a tackle? Was it at the same game that you saw the black receivers from the opposing team "CONSPIRE" to gift Paul Krause the interception record? Talk about a conspiracy theory. Tell me more Uncle Remus. LOL

Kaptain said:

Does the accepted theory hold water? Jack Rubenstein, the Jewish Mafia strip and night club owner, was just so full of patriotism that he had to kill the killer of Kennedy. Then while in prison decides that he was part of conspiracy - and now he is a no good liar low-life instead of Jack Ruby the patriot? Then just by coincidence he gets cancer and in a very short time dies just before his new trial and just after his sqwauking about conspiracy. But wait! We are told by "unnamed associated press reports" that on his death bed he admitted that he acted alone.

Sorry, but that's the Official story. And it's a tough nut to swallow.

I'm interested in hearing more on Albert Hiss and your take. I read a little, but would like to know your take on that as well as Stalin and Hitler.

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Well, there's a good deal more to the JFK conspiracy tales than that, but, take your pick on which one to believe, there are about a hundred or more.

The Hiss Case is the defining confrontation of modern American life. A communist spy masquerading as a "liberal" establishmentarian and defended by that establishment, it's press corps and members at the highest levels. Whittaker Chambers -- the man who blew the lid off -- is a fascinating character as well. I'm always surprised that many Caste members aren't more familiar with the case.

Hitler and Stalin began cooperating shortly after the Night of the Long Knives (soon after, Stalin would begin his own purges). Look into the trial of Georgi Dimitriov, Simon Popov and vassili Tanev for the Reichstag Fire. a good book that deals with the question, tangetially, is Double Lives: Stalin, Willi Muzenberg and the Seduction of the Intellectuals by Stephen Koch.

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Hey you got me on a spelling mistake! Now how do you spell TROLLING?

What's good for laughs are bufoons that claimed to watch every NFL game from the 60's and 70's live from the 50 yard line no matter where the game was played. Where were you again when Paul Krause purposely ducked a tackle? Was it at the same game that you saw the black receivers from the opposing team "CONSPIRE" to gift Paul Krause the interception record? Talk about a conspiracy theory. Tell me more Uncle Remus. LOL

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What's good for laughs are posters dumber than a sack of hammers.

sport historian said:

What's good for laughs are posters dumber than a sack of hammers.

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I think I speak for a lot of posters here that are sick of your snide remarks and your constant attempts to flame. Your an arse and phony. You clearly didn't watch the games you claimed to watch live. Your also a coward. There are several so-called "conspiracy theories" that the site owner agrees with and yet you never seem to flame him with your snide comments. Where are your snide comments then?

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What's good for laughs are bufoons that claimed to watch every NFL game from the 60's and 70's live from the 50 yard line no matter where the game was played. Where were you again when Paul Krause purposely ducked a tackle? Was it at the same game that you saw the black receivers from the opposing team "CONSPIRE" to gift Paul Krause the interception record? Talk about a conspiracy theory. Tell me more Uncle Remus. LOL

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Lmao

I actually have footage of Krause not hesitating to tackle Csonka going full speed straight ahead....multiple times

The thing about memory....it fades, and when you constantly watch nfl network replay stuff with their own commentary, not to mention THEY choose what to show you of games back then.... it may affect your memory of what you thought you saw. Krause was a ball hawk, but he didn't shy away from tackling like an Ed Reed.