Arrogant MJ Enters the HoF

DixieDestroyer

Hall of Famer
Joined
Jan 19, 2007
Messages
9,464
Location
Dixieland
Arrogant, over-hyped, primadonna Michael Jordan shows his lack of class during his Hall of Fame speech...

Jordan's night to remember turns petty

By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports

The tears tumbled, flooding his face and Michael Jordan had yet to march to the microphone at Symphony Hall. He had listened to the genuine stories and speeches of a remarkable class. He had watched a "This is Your Life"Â video compilation of his basketball genius. Everything flashed before him, a legacy that he's fought with body and soul to never, ever let go into yesterday.

Yes, Michael Jordan was still fighting it on Friday night, and maybe he always will. Mostly, he was crying over the passing of that old Jordan, and it wouldn't be long until he climbed out of his suit and back into his uniform and shorts, back into an adolescent act that's turned so tedious.

This wasn't a Hall of Fame induction speech, but a bully tripping nerds with lunch trays in the school cafeteria. He had a responsibility to his standing in history, to players past and present, and he let everyone down. This was a night to leave behind the petty grievances and past slights â€" real and imagined. This was a night to be gracious, to be generous with praise and credit.

Related Video Jordan speaks on honor Jordan speaks on honor

More NBA Videos More From Adrian WojnarowskiAgainst Jordan, defense never rested Sep 11, 2009 Trail of Crumbs leads Jordan to Hall's doorstep Sep 9, 2009 "M.J. was introduced as the greatest player ever and he's still standing there trying to settle scores,"Â one Hall of Famer said privately later.

Jordan didn't hurt his image with the NBA community, as much as he reminded them of it. "That's who Michael is,"Â one high-ranking team executive said. "It wasn't like he was out of character. There's no one else who could've gotten away with what he did tonight. But it was Michael, and everyone just goes along."Â

Jordan wandered through an unfocused and uninspired speech at Symphony Hall, disparaging people who had little to do with his career, like Jeff Van Gundy and Bryon Russell. He ignored people who had so much to do with it, like his personal trainer, Tim Grover. This had been a moving and inspirational night for the NBA â€" one of its best ceremonies ever â€" and five minutes into Jordan's speech it began to spiral into something else. Something unworthy of Jordan's stature, something beneath him.

Jordan spent more time pointlessly admonishing Van Gundy and Russell for crossing him with taunts a dozen years ago than he did singling out his three children. When he finally acknowledged his family, Jordan blurted, in part, to them, "I wouldn't want to be you guys."Â

Well, um, thanks Dad. He meant it, too. If not the NBA, he should've thought of his children before he started spraying fire at everyone.

No one ever feels sorry for Isiah Thomas, but Jordan tsk-tsked him and George Gervin and Magic Johnson for the 1985 All-Star game "freeze-out."Â Jordan was a rookie, and the older stars decided to isolate him. It was a long time ago, and he obliterated them all for six NBA championships and five MVP trophies. Isiah and the Ice Man looked stunned, as intimidated 50 feet from the stage, as they might have been on the basketball court.

The cheering and laughter egged Jordan on, but this was no public service for him. Just because he was smiling didn't mean this speech hadn't dissolved into a downright vicious volley.

Worst of all, he flew his old high school teammate, Leroy Smith, to Springfield for the induction. Remember, Smith was the upperclassman his coach, Pop Herring, kept on varsity over him as a high school sophomore. He waggled to the old coach, "I wanted to make sure you understood: You made a mistake, dude."Â

Whatever, Michael. Everyone gets it. Truth be told, everyone got it years ago, but somehow he thinks this is a cleansing exercise. When basketball wanted to celebrate Jordan as the greatest player ever, wanted to honor him for changing basketball everywhere, he was petty and punitive. Yes, there was some wink-wink teasing with his beloved Dean Smith, but make no mistake: Jordan revealed himself to be strangely bitter. You won, Michael. You won it all. Yet, he keeps chasing something that he'll never catch, and sometimes, well, it all seems so hollow for him.

This is why he's a terrible basketball executive because he still hasn't learned to channel his aggressions into hard work on that job. For the Charlotte Bobcats, Jordan remains an absentee boss who keeps searching for basketball players on fairways and greens.

From the speeches of David Robinson to John Stockton, Jerry Sloan to Vivian Stringer, there was an unmistakable thread of peace of mind and purpose. At times, they were self-deprecating and deflective of praise. Jordan hasn't mastered that art, and it reveals him to be oddly insecure. When Jordan should've thanked the Bulls ex-GM, Jerry Krause, for surrounding him with championship coaches and talent, he ridiculed him. It was me, Jordan was saying. Not him. "The organization didn't play with the flu in Utah,"Â Jordan grumbled.

For Jordan to let someone else share in the Bulls' dynasty will never diminish his greatness. Just enhance it. Only, he's 46 years old and he still doesn't get it. Yes, Jordan did gush over Scottie Pippen, but he failed to confess that he had wanted Krause to draft North Carolina's Joe Wolf. Sometimes, no one is better with a half a story, half a truth, than Jordan. All his life, no one's ever called him on it.

Whatever Jordan wants to believe, understand this: The reason that Van Gundy's declaration of him as a "con man"Â so angered him is because it was true on so many levels.

It was part of his competitiveness edge, part of his marketability, and yes, part of his human frailty.

Jordan wasn't crying over sentimentality on Friday night, as much as he was the loss of a life that he returned from two retirements to have again. The finality of his basketball genius hit him at the induction ceremony, hit him hard. Jordan showed little poise and less grace.

Once again, he turned the evening into something bordering between vicious and vapid, an empty exercise for a night that should've had staying power, that should've been transformative for basketball and its greatest player. What fueled his fury as a thirtysomething now fuels his bitterness as a lost, wandering fortysomething who threatened a comeback at 50.

"Don't laugh,"Â Michael Jordan warned.

No one's laughing anymore.

Once and for all, Michael: It's over.

You won.

***Reference article...
 

White Shogun

Hall of Famer
Joined
Mar 2, 2005
Messages
6,285
I don't know about overhyped but he is certainly a grade-A f***ing a**hole. Edited by: White Shogun
 

Steve Patriot

Newbie
Joined
Aug 15, 2009
Messages
9
Over hyped? He's the greatest player of all time. It's a god damn shame that he's such an ass, though. Edited by: Steve Patriot
 

Colonel_Reb

Hall of Famer
Joined
Jan 9, 2005
Messages
13,987
Location
The Deep South
Maybe the greatest pro player, but definitely not the greatest college player.
 

whiteathlete33

Hall of Famer
Joined
Mar 18, 2007
Messages
12,669
Location
New Jersey
I actually liked Michael Jordan. He never acted like all the ghetto blacks in the NBA today. He stayed out of trouble and was a good role model. This display of arrogance changes my view on him.
 
Joined
Oct 24, 2005
Messages
1,248
Location
Illinois
The least he could have done was to thank the Slave laborers who made his overpriced shoes for Nike.
 

DixieDestroyer

Hall of Famer
Joined
Jan 19, 2007
Messages
9,464
Location
Dixieland
I beg to differ, IMO Jordan is NOT the best ever! Larry Bird was a better pure shooter, better rebounder, better from the charity stripe & a better passer! MJ scored more total points (due to being a 1 man team early on) & had more steals, but was also the ultimate caste god (marketed like no other except "Lord" Tiger)!

- FG% : Bird (49%), MJ (49%) = Tie
- FT% : Bird (88.6%), MJ (83.5%) = Bird
- 3PT% : Bird (37.6%), MJ (32.7%) = Bird
- RPG : Bird (10.0), MJ (6.2) = Bird
- BPG : Bird (.80), MJ (.80) = Tie
- APG : Bird (6.3), MJ (5.3) = Bird
- PPG : Bird (24.3), MJ (30.1) = MJ
- SPG : Bird (1.7), MJ (2.3) = MJ
------------------------------------------------
Bird was better at 4 of 8 major catagories (with 2 ties).

***Don't buy into the massive caste mythology of "His Airness"!
 

whiteathlete33

Hall of Famer
Joined
Mar 18, 2007
Messages
12,669
Location
New Jersey
Larry Bird is my second favorite NBA player after Tom Gugliotta. Bird was much more of a team player and I agree he was better than Jordan. Jordan was a ball hog throughout most of his years in Chicago. He also had a better supporting cast than Bird with Rodman, Pippen, Cartwright, Kukoc, and Steve Kerr to knock down clutch shots. I know Bird had Mchale and Parish but I think Jordan had alot more weapons to work with.
 
Joined
Dec 9, 2007
Messages
349
Len Bias' death might have made MJ's career.
Len Bias was better in college and could have been better in the pros. Len Bias was an athletic big man. He was drafted by the Celtics but died the day after he was drafted. If he had lived the Celtics would have won more titles with an awesome Larry Bird, Robert Parish, Kevin McHale, Bill Walton (who got hurt in the 1987 season) plus the late Reggie Lewis. that would have added at least two or three more championships.

So you could give Larry Bird 3 more titles and maybe take one away from MJ.



P.S. Bird had better support but he also had to play the Lakers in their prime along with good Hawks teams and good Pistons teams (that the Bulls lost to). If Len Bias hadn't died then it would have changed the dynamic to who was the best player of all-time (Bird) and quite possibly who was the most athletically dominant player of the mid eighties to the nineties (Len Bias).
 

Colonel_Reb

Hall of Famer
Joined
Jan 9, 2005
Messages
13,987
Location
The Deep South
Jordan did more than any one male I can think of to make men wearing earrings acceptable. In that regard, I would never view him as being a better alternative to the "ghetto ballers" of today. He helped start it.
 

jaxvid

Hall of Famer
Joined
Oct 15, 2004
Messages
7,247
Location
Michigan
Has anyone read anything else on Jordan's acceptance speech besides this column? It seems that this writer is the only one I've seen saying these things about the speech. Not that I would be surprised.

Comparing Bird to Jordan is like comparing Cobb to Ruth. They were different players with different styles and both great in their own ways.
 

White Shogun

Hall of Famer
Joined
Mar 2, 2005
Messages
6,285
Honestly guys, if anyone tries to say Jordan wasn't one of, if not the the greatest ever... it's just gonna look lame. You have to give credit where credit is due.

I didn't know that Bird's stats compared so well to Jordan's, so I thank Dixie for posting the figures. Very interesting.
 

Europe

Mentor
Joined
Oct 26, 2008
Messages
1,642
whiteathlete33 said:
I actually liked Michael Jordan. He never acted like all the ghetto blacks in the NBA today. He stayed out of trouble and was a good role model. This display of arrogance changes my view on him.[/QUOTE

Didn't he cheat on his wife with many women? Is that a role model? I don't think my family would consider me a role model if I cheated on my wife all the time.
Didn't he lose a ton of money gambling?
He would always tease and bully teammates from what I remember from the books that came out about him.
 

whiteathlete33

Hall of Famer
Joined
Mar 18, 2007
Messages
12,669
Location
New Jersey
I don't know about the cheating on his wife or the gambling. My point is he is one of the few black sports figures that doesn't have a rap sheet a mile long. He acted like a piece of trash with his speech though.
 
Joined
Oct 24, 2005
Messages
1,248
Location
Illinois
MJ was Ghetto all the way, along with Scottie Pippen. MJ started the trend of men wearing earings, and cigar smoking. He made gambling by athletes respectable. MJ also knocked over tables when he was losing at cars or dominoes. He also hasn't read a book in decades. He created on his wife. There were palimony suits. He wasn't arrested because he knew how to stay out of trouble. MJ was a little more controled than today's ghetto athlete.
Dixie destroyer has presented a strong case for Larry Bird. I will remember that when someone says MJ was the greatest. He was a good basketball player, but a lousy human being.
 

Westside

Hall of Famer
Joined
Sep 23, 2008
Messages
7,703
Location
So Cal
MJ was a great player. And I don't think he was ghetto, A hole, ghetto playa like today, not.

Regarding his wearing of earrings, smoking cigars thats ok, cuase he was the trend sitter with affelets. Gambling, all athelets to include affelets have gambled for time in memorial.

He problably doesn't read books and he cheated on his wife with a white woman(naturally). As far was being the lousy human being he is far from it. Just calling it as I sees it. Regarding his arrogance, I don't have an issue with it, cuase he always answered on the court.

For some weird reason to be regarded and proved to be one of the greatest players, he is a bitter pill.
 

Bear Backer

Mentor
Joined
Jan 23, 2007
Messages
658
Location
Illinois
There is no doubt that Jordan was a great player even without the media hype. He was one of the best ever without a doubt, but he was and remains a BAD GUY! Hardly the good role model that they tried to paint his as. He wasn't necessarily a thug like many of the modern NBA players, but he was still a pretty lousy person overall. He has a long history of pettiness and selfishness. A history of alleged infidelity, gambling problems and extreme arrogance. Plus, despite all of his ability and positive contributions to the game athletically, he was THE major contributing factor that was used by the media masters to lead their racial assault against White Americans and to effectively nearly run them out of the NBA. Since Jordan came into the league, the NBA progressively got worse to the point where it was no longer watchable in the 1990's. That was primarily because of and through Jordan, that the media masters were able to spin the realities about the game in the mind of the DWF's. They started to understand that they could get away with showmanship while passing it off to the fans as legitimate. Jordan was good, but those who followed after him in the mold of what he represented in his style as a player were not so great. In fact most of them are down right awful.
 

pt.guard

Newbie
Joined
Mar 28, 2006
Messages
61
I thought that Jordan's speech was more humorous and sarcastic than mean spirited, but Robinson and Stockton's speeches were pure class all the way.
 

Kaptain

Master
Joined
Nov 25, 2004
Messages
3,346
Location
Minnesota
jaxvid said:
Comparing Bird to Jordan is like comparing Cobb to Ruth. They were different players with different styles and both great in their own ways.

True. The rules or how the game is now called have changed so much in NBA history that it is impossible to compare. Lax rules on traveling, palming, offensive charges etc. paved the way for a Jordan-like player to dominate. It's not real basketball to me. That's why I can't stand it when someone says so confidently that "Jordan is the greatest ever." How do you think Jordan would have done back when basketball actually had rules? Not nearly as well as Bird or several other players IMO.

To me the Jordan era marked the end of the NBA coming close to resembling real basketball. Yah, the NBA was a on the slippery slope already. But the Jordan-era made the NBA the official "one on one", "take it to the hoop", "try to draw contact" bore-fest that is now today's NBA. Greatest player ever? Not in my book.
 
Joined
Nov 30, 2008
Messages
462
Since he grew up middle class, was an all A student and never got in trouble with the law, he's not ghetto, but he is a world class jerk, selfish and somewhat crazy. His speech was just a reminder for those who forgot.
 

Europe

Mentor
Joined
Oct 26, 2008
Messages
1,642
Kaptain Poop said:
jaxvid said:
Comparing Bird to Jordan is like comparing Cobb to Ruth. They were different players with different styles and both great in their own ways.

True. The rules or how the game is now called have changed so much in NBA history that it is impossible to compare. Lax rules on traveling, palming, offensive charges etc. paved the way for a Jordan-like player to dominate. It's not real basketball to me. That's why I can't stand it when someone says so confidently that "Jordan is the greatest ever." How do you think Jordan would have done back when basketball actually had rules? Not nearly as well as Bird or several other players IMO.

To me the Jordan era marked the end of the NBA coming close to resembling real basketball. Yah, the NBA was a on the slippery slope already. But the Jordan-era made the NBA the official "one on one", "take it to the hoop", "try to draw contact" bore-fest that is now today's NBA. Greatest player ever? Not in my book.

I only heard a little of Stockton's speech, but he was saying that he didn't belong in a sense. Of course, it's the white guy who says he doesn't belong. I didn't like it.
 

Solomon Kane

Mentor
Joined
Jul 3, 2006
Messages
783
Kaptain Poop said:
jaxvid said:
Comparing Bird to Jordan is like comparing Cobb to Ruth. They were different players with different styles and both great in their own ways.

True. The rules or how the game is now called have changed so much in NBA history that it is impossible to compare. Lax rules on traveling, palming, offensive charges etc. paved the way for a Jordan-like player to dominate. It's not real basketball to me. That's why I can't stand it when someone says so confidently that "Jordan is the greatest ever." How do you think Jordan would have done back when basketball actually had rules? Not nearly as well as Bird or several other players IMO.

To me the Jordan era marked the end of the NBA coming close to resembling real basketball. Yah, the NBA was a on the slippery slope already. But the Jordan-era made the NBA the official "one on one", "take it to the hoop", "try to draw contact" bore-fest that is now today's NBA. Greatest player ever? Not in my book.

Good points, KP. Even by the old definitions/rules I can't remember Bird traveling, palming, etc.

for me the greatest players were:

Bill Russell
Rick Barry
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Larry Bird
Michael Jordan
Magic Johnson
Bob Pettit
Wilt Chamberlain
Moses Malone
Kevin McHale
John Stockton

If it weren't for his injuries, I think *Bill Walton* would have surpassed them all, particularly if he had had a great supporting cast. His Trailblazer (and UCLA) champ teams are a perfect example of the superiority of "white", "team-first ball" a la John Wooden versus the street ball we see today.
 

DixieDestroyer

Hall of Famer
Joined
Jan 19, 2007
Messages
9,464
Location
Dixieland
MJ was one of the best no doubt, I have just never considered him the best (based on stats & being totally rounded). I never liked him personally for the reasons listed above, and he always struck me as a total endorsement wh0re & egomaniac. I think Bob Pettit & Kevin McHale were some of the best ever as well. I used to be a huge hoops (NBA & college fan) growing up (late 70s thru early 90s), but I never watch the NBA anymore & rarely watch college. It's become too hip-hop'd/ghetto ball'd out for my taste.
smiley6.gif
 
Top