Rooney Rule will be gone soon?

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I was reading PFT and they had an article about how teams are now hiring minority candidates much more effectively and Mike Florio talks about possibly getting rid of the rule.

I agree that it needs to go (I'm sure most of you here will, too) but I do think it has made some progress. I'm not a liberal or anything but it is good to finally see some more diversity in the head coaching ranks. I was of the opinion that race shouldn't matter and I could see how some might argue the rule is racist, but regardless it has done it's job and should now be put to rest.

Here's the link to the post about the rule by Florio in case anyone's interested:
[url]http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/18/browns-search-coul d-prompt-rooney-rule-changes/[/url]Edited by: ManifestDestiny
 

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I agree that it needs to go (I'm sure most of you here will, too) but I do think it has made some progress. I'm not a liberal or anything but it is good to finally see some more diversity in the head coaching ranks. I was of the opinion that race shouldn't matter and I could see how some might argue the rule is racist, but regardless it has done it's job and should now be put to rest.

Here's the link to the post about the rule by Florio in case anyone's interested:
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/18/browns-search-coul d-prompt-rooney-rule-changes/


That's right out of the Cultural Marxist handbook. "Diversity" means disproportionately black.


Why doesn't the Rooney Rule extend to Asians and hispanics? There's no "diversity" in coaching just as there isn't among the players. What you have are black coaches over-represented in proportion to their percentage of the population, and everyone else represented in lesser amounts compared to their percentage of the population, with hispanics and Asians shut out completely.


Why doesn't the Rooney Rule extend to owners if we truly want "diversity"? Because "diversity" is always for the White working man, not those in charge; in sports it's done for propaganda purposes.
 

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"The Cultural Marxist handbook",as always,Don Wassall nails it with few words!,want more?,just check out the editorial page of the Nationalist Times!
 

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The Rooney Rule is another ridiculous attempt to bring whites down. It boggles my mind how something like this could actually be in place. Most NFL players are black today and that is fine with everyone. It will not stop until whites are shut out of everything completely. Does anyone know when this rule was put in place? If I can remember correctly it was in the last 10 years wasn't it? Also was there alot of pressure from black players and coaches which eventually led to putting it in place? Edited by: whiteathlete33
 
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In the sports media, they always say things like "you mean you can't find 5...10...15 qualified black coaches out there???" What I says is "you mean you can't find 32 qualifed white coaches out there???" You can always throw the numbers right back at them. There is nothing to gain by requiring blacks be a certain percentage of anything. As the other posters have noted, it's simply a way of taking something away from people who have earned it, and give it to those who haven't.
 

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i usually make three points when this topic arises in conversation with another sports fan...

1) i thought skin color doesn't matter, because we're all the same. is that not true?

2) if race does matter, what is the appropriate number of jobs blacks should receive based simply on their skin color and not on their skill set and ability to successfully do the job?

3) if race-based affirmative action is to take place in a sports league such as the NFL, then why does it only apply to areas where blacks don't have large numbers? shouldn't it apply across the board? if so, then white athletes should make up an equal percentage in proportion to their raio of the population as well, right?

usually, a dumbstruck, cow-like expression appears on their face real quick.
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Please allow me, a native Pittsburgher, a lifelong Steelers fan, and much more recently, a severe Dan Rooney hater, to take a moment to respond.


First off, I started disliking Mr. Rooney when he championed affirmitive action for the NFL. I began to utterly loathe him, and almost wrote off his (my) team once and for all last summer when he endorsed a Kenyan-Muslim socialist and his black supremacist wife for president and first bitch. I supose there's no sense whining about that now.
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When it came to his bogus little "rule", and moreso, when it came time to hire a coach to replace Cowher, I knew there was NO WAY IN HELL a white coach would get that job. Rooney, having penned his ridiculous NFL edict, was honor bound to not only interview a black candidate, but hire one as well. And frankly, it makes me sick. He's a traitor to his race and an irresponsible owner, willing to risk his franchise and the pride of his city for nothing more than his bleeding heart political viewpoints.


As it turns out, the risk may have paid off. At least until the last remnants of the Super Bowl XL champs retire or move on to higher paying pastures.


Coach Tomlin may soon be the youngest coach ever to win a Super Bowl. It might even be an actual accomplishment had he gotten the job legitimately (i.e fair and square) and had he not stood on the shoulders of Bill Cowher's system, players and philosophy.


If my black and gold are the next champs less than two weeks from now, I'll applaud the players for their efforts. Likewise, I'll snub my nose at the coach and ownership. They deserve absolutely no applause whatsoever, but rather scorn, as they're just part of the cultural marxism (thanks Don Wassall) that's sweeping this nation into oblivion.
 

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Well said MarkQuinn,


As you know,most "sheeple" interviewed on T.V.,or who call Pittsburgh talk shows,parrot the P/C line about what a great job coach Tomlin has done,and few mention,as you have,the influence of the White coaches,past and present,this is again,cultural marxism displayed in the form of the deracinated White fan.


Many also make it a point to say that have been to the 36 cafe,owned in part by Jerome Bettis,surely,if folks know these things about them,and also if they offer much praise for Obama,they will not be branded as racist,it does not matter that with each inane statement that they make,they betray their own.
 
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MarkQuinn,

Given that you are a Pittsburgher and a lifelong Steelers fan, I'd like to share my thoughts on one of my favorite teams.

First off, Dan Rooney is a charlatan and the fact that he and his son gave the AFC Championship ball to Obama was sickening. Just adding more fuel to the fire on his part.

Second, I have always come under the conclusion that schwartze-loving has long been a stock-and-trade of Steelers fans. This had to have started when Chuck Noll came into the fore. I remember reading a book called "About Three Bricks Shy Of A Load" by an author named (?) Blount. It came out in the mid '70s, and from what I recall it was nothing but a black love-fest from the author's point-of-view. On a side note, I wonder if all Italians embraced mulatto Franco Harris in Pittsburgh. I know that if he were playing in New York, not everyone would be so, um, accomodating if you will.

Third, while Pittsburgh had some terrific teams during it's successful run in the '70s, they were neither supermen nor infallible. I think the Steeler fans suffered from idolizing the players to the point where they could do no wrong and were the closest thing to Christ. I can see why Terry Bradshaw kept his distance from the team all those years after his final season. Jack Lambert is worshipped by so many fans to this day, but from what I've read through the years, he was very unsociable and also, quite the greedmonger. I also hear he won't make any appearances unless the price tag is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. I can understand players wanting privacy and the desire to be a civilian, but I think a lot of Lambert is based solely on a facade that too many fans ate up and exploited (you can say the same for Lambert on the latter). As great a player he was on the field, I don't think Lambert was someone who you'd want to hang with.

You also have to take into account the reality of what happened to the players post-1979. I think about 20 or more ex-Steelers have died since then. There's no doubt in my mind that steroids played a big role in the Steelers' success back then and I think that will always be a big stain on the team. But, notice how they're never criticized for that? Because it's the Steelers. If it were the Cowboys, it'd be another story and a daily reminder.

Don't get me wrong; the Steelers had wonderful players and teams and they still do. The fans are enthusiastic and they're going to the Super Bowl again. I'd like to see them win a sixth ring. But they are just another NFL team when it all comes down to it, no matter how much people want to romanticize and embellish.
 

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Thanks LabMan.


You know it just occured to me. Black people are better off when they do for themselves. When Martin Luther King was running around having dreams, they were empowered. They took strides toward achievement and responsibility and it was done in the name of love. When that man was shot, and as someone recently reminded me, when blacks learned it was a white man who shot him, the whole world went to sh*t and we've been trying to appease their asses ever since. Now they're like spoiled children. Children who whine and moan for a new toy or "Mac-Donalds" for dinner and when they get it, it's not enough and they want more. As the largest beneficiaries (by far) of wellfare since its inception (which is basically a form of reparation, though that doesn't appease them and they want more), as huge beneficiaries of college and small business grants, neighborhood improvement projects (which never seem to last, of course, as the neighborhoods still go to sh*t in six months or less), and of course the ... the --- what else can I call it but immoral? --- the immoral affirmitive action policies, we have an entire race which has become completely dependent on another. And who are the real f**kin' racists? The liberals who started it all. The liberals who perpetuate it. Just like a bad mother who constantly gives in to the child so that, by age 18, that punk is STILL begging for video games and "Mac-Donalds" instead of getting a damn job. They call it the nanny state, but they should call it the bad mother state.


And now it's reached the NFL. Forget the fact that a coach should earn his position through hard work, achievement and enough damn years in the league to demonstrate a little f**kin' seniority. No, Rooney and his liberal cronies, because of their own misplaced white guilt, have made sure that at least one NFL coach got a free ride to the head coach position. Don't black people have any self respect? Don't liberal whites have any respect for THEM? Don't they think black people can do for themselves? Don't liberals understand that the best achievments are the ones you do, make, earn, accomplish ON YOUR OWN? The whole nanny state and affirmitive action and insessent GIVING AWAY OF EVERYTHING in the name of fairness is such a phenominal joke, and these liberal swine just can't see it.


I swear to you --- and remember I'm a guy who wore black and gold diapers as a baby --- part of me is rooting for the Cards and hoping it'sa series of Tomlin mistakes that spell the Steeler's doom. Part of me is hoping Whisenhunt takes Tomlin to the cleaners. Not so the world can say "look what happens when a black coach goes up against a white coach". That's irrelevent. I'm hoping this --- just in a small way, mind you, a back-of-my-head kind of thing --- so that the world can say LOOK WHAT HAPPENS WHEN AN EXPERIENCED COACH GOES UP AGAINST A NEOPHYTE WHO WAS GIVEN HIS JOB FOR POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY.


Of course they'll just say it was his inexperience, but that making it that far was a great achievement. Tomlin will end up being on one of those bogus lists we receive every February ("Black History Month") which talk about inventions and achievements made by black people that are always eventually debunked and it turns out they either had no part of it or justa small part of some revision, etc. His name will be plastered all over something, youngest coach to blah blah blah. If truth be told, give ME that team with that system and personnel, and I guarantee you I go 9 and 7, and I know little about football and less about coaching. This isn't a f**kin' accomplishment. Wait until he loses most of the team and has to rebuild from scratch, then we'll see what kind of a coach he is. Of course by then, having won at least one AFC championship, he may very well want "mo money, mo money" and, full of himself after his propped up success in Pittsburgh, go to some struggling team and fail miserably.
 

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Don't get me wrong; the Steelers had wonderful players and teams and they still do. The fans are enthusiastic and they're going to the Super Bowl again. I'd like to see them win a sixth ring. But they are just another NFL team when it all comes down to it, no matter how much people want to romanticize and embellish.


OldSchool, you wrote this while I was typing my mini-manifesto.


Truthfully I can't see the forest for the trees. If people outside of Pittsburgh romanticize the Steelers, I wouldn't know. I lived in Boca Raton for 10 years and there was a lot of enthusiasm for the Giants back then, given that they were winning Super Bowls around that time and there were a lot of New Yorkers there, and of course there was always a lot Dolphins hype.Living there, and watching Marino, ensured that the Fins would always be the second team in my heart. If there was any romanticism or enthusiasm for the Steelers, itonly came --- as far as I could tell --- from other Pittsburghtransplants.


Now the media may be another story. I don't know. I don't get cable so I can't watch ESPN.


Regarding Lambert, Ithink he became a forest ranger or something? I remember watchinghim in some video where he said people were making fun of him, calling him a bunny cop. I know he played a lot of amateur hockey and was enthusiastic about that, competing in all sorts ofcelebrity charity events. I always just thought of Jack as a quiet guy who kept to himself. If he demands a lot of money for speaking engagements, that's par for the course. I would too! You gotta remember these guys got paid diddlysquat back then (well, not really, but compared to today).
 
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MarkQuinn said:
Truthfully I can't see the forest for the trees.  If people outside of Pittsburgh romanticize the Steelers, I wouldn't know.  I lived in Boca Raton for 10 years and there was a lot of enthusiasm for the Giants back then, given that they were winning Super Bowls around that time and there were a lot of New Yorkers there, and of course there was always a lot Dolphins hype.  Living there, and watching Marino, ensured that the Fins would always be the second team in my heart.  If there was any romanticism or enthusiasm for the Steelers, it only came --- as far as I could tell --- from other Pittsburgh transplants.

Funny you should mention living in Boca; my uncle has lived in Palm Beach Gardens for almost 20 years now and is still a die-hard Jets fan. He absolutely detests the Fish! I take it the transplants to South Florida brought their love for their home teams with them.

I should've thought about the money aspect--very good point. I know even in the '70s the pay was nothing compared to what players get now (hell; the minimum salary is about $5 million a year, right-wink wink) so yes, I think I'd demand a lot of money too if I wanted to make appearances. Don't we all?

I like Lambert as a player; I just wish he could've sold himself better to the public. I do get sick of seeing that picture of him with that scowl (that made the cover of Sports Illustrated in 1984) constantly. Sadly, Lambert's legacy will only be about image and reputation than what he did on the gridiron exclusively.

Now, getting back to some serious business, one Steeler who died recently who was a real whack-job when it came to racial issues was Dwight White, one of the coal-black front four the Steelers had in their mid '70s heyday.
 

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MarkQuinn, that was one of the greatest posts ever.

Yeah great rant!!!
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MarkQuinn, that was one of the greatest posts ever.

Yeah great rant!!!
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Let me add my voice to the chorus of praise
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Keep them coming MarkQuinn........and welcome!


Being a fellow Pittsburgher you may appreciate this story,several years ago I worked at a major Pittsburgh hotel,at the bell stand.Part of my job was to arrange transportation to the Steeler games for hotel guests,they would line up in front of the bell stand in all types of Steeler gear,most were from out of town,so I made it a point to go over as much Steeler history as possible.


I noticed that one fan bowed his head every time I said Steelers or Mentioned the Rooneys,I asked him why this was,and he said that was how revered the team,and owners were to him,by the end of my talk,he resembled a bobblehead head doll from so much head motion!,this was a man in his 50's,and he was dead serious.
 

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A "mighty" post indeed Mr.Quinn!
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Inoticed that one fan bowed his head every time I said Steelers or Mentioned the Rooneys,I asked him why this was,and he said that was how revered the team,and owners were to him,by the end of my talk,he resembled a bobblehead head doll from so much head motion!,this was a man in his 50's,and he was dead serious.


Hey, the old man Art was a great man indeed and worthy of reverence (maybe respect is a better word), and he loved everybody. I mean everybody. Black or white, it made no difference. But he had a bonehead cornhole of a son in Dan, and Dan, who never had to work for his fortune, who was given everything, who was too Goddamned dumb to realize that his father made his money with blood and guts and sometimes that's how it has to happen, decided one day to follow in his father's footsteps, but being the spoiled brat that he was, he got everythingdiscombobulated. He figured since everything was given to him, that was just the "right" way to do everything. He figured since his father loved everyone, that's how he should be too. Butwhat he didn't realize was that his father's love wasn't unconditional, nor did his father demonstrate his love by givingthings to people who didn't deserve it(except for his team, to his son).


What getsme is that Dan was born in 1932. He wasn't some bleeding heart hippe cornhole born in the 50s or 60s. He went through the war. He lived in a time when most people got their educations from the school of hard knocks. He watched Pearl get bombed to smithereens. We don't usually see this kind of gross liberalism from someone from that generation.


Like I said, it must've just been because he got his father's singals all mixed up. Love, in his mind, means you have to give everything away and make life easier for the people who have it hard. He never stopped to think there might be a reason why there weren't more black head coaches. No, he just thought it was discrimination, without paying the least bit of attention to the fact that far more blatant discrimination was happening on the field where white players complete outcasts.


If he truly cared about the league, he'd take fewer measures to mess with the head coach black/white ratio, and more measures to ensure that the NFL doesn't become the NBA. Because that's where it's headed, and NOBODY wants that.
 

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I appreciate your sentiments Quinn, but Idon't see how that could have happenedto "dumb." Surely we can post without going to such sadlengths to express our disgust.
 

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Simplistic, exagerrated, perhaps, yes, but that's my way. When I hate someone or something, I tear it down and rip it apart mercilessly. As the description on this website says, there are no sacred cows here, nor will I make one for Rooney --- he's a liberal dog and should be referred to as such, scorned and hated and attacked by anyone who has the mind to do so. Politenesswith the media, political correctness, turning the other cheeck in the face of one liberal attack against our way of life after another is what got us in this mess in the first place. You don't take it back by censoring yourself.


Are my posts one part fact and three parts emotion? Surely. But I'll stand by what I say. Obviously, I can only speculate why Rooney is such a phenominal liberal ass. And despite my speculation above, I really don't care that much about the "why" of it. I only care about the bottom line, and the bottom line is that affirmitive action has come to the NFL and that rich liberal swine was instrumental in bringing it.


Perhaps we might make more strides toward saving our country if more people adopted unrestrained disgust in their everyday speech, sort of a counter-political correctness.


The time to be savage, I think, is now.
 
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MarkQuinn said:
Simplistic, exagerrated, perhaps, yes, but that's my way.  When I hate someone or something, I tear it down and rip it apart mercilessly.  As the description on this website says, there are no sacred cows here, nor will I make one for Rooney --- he's a liberal dog and should be referred to as such, scorned and hated and attacked by anyone who has the mind to do so.  Politeness with the media, political correctness, turning the other cheeck in the face of one liberal attack against our way of life after another is what got us in this mess in the first place.  You don't take it back by censoring yourself.


Are my posts one part fact and three parts emotion?  Surely.  But I'll stand by what I say.  Obviously, I can only speculate why Rooney is such a phenominal liberal ass.  And despite my speculation above, I really don't care that much about the "why" of it.  I only care about the bottom line, and the bottom line is that affirmitive action has come to the NFL and that rich liberal swine was instrumental in bringing it.


Perhaps we might make more strides toward saving our country if more people adopted unrestrained disgust in their everyday speech, sort of a counter-political correctness. 


The time to be savage, I think, is now.

I agree with Mark. Look at how we are supposed to behave in 2009 Amerikwa. We are not allowed to speak in ways that might emote ANGER, for anger is the worst emotion one can have in this country. We can thank the corporate sector and the pink brigade for that. It is perfectly ok for a black person to speak his mind, and even in the case that he is put on the spot for it, a minor slap on the wrist will suffice. If Whites do the same, your state of being is in jeopardy. Look at hockey player Sean Avery.

Sadly, virtually everyone in the country is afraid. Fifteen years ago, people laughed at the idea of political correctness and dismissed it lightly as being mere paranoia from the Left. Today, everyone and their brother has been programmed into p.c. operative. It takes someone with the will to think and speak independently to presevere. We hear so much about freedom of speech but I believe the time is now to start looking at those other freedoms that we've seemed to sweep under the rug: expression and thought.
 

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Thanks OldSchoolBoy. You bring up a great point about how anger is being criminalized. It remineds me of an e-mail newsletter I received just the other day from a site called Jihad Watch. Political correctness has all but destroyed Europe, and it's turned its eyes toward us now. Gert Wilders, an outspoken Dutch politician who has criticized the so-called Islamization of Europe was recently put up on charges of inciting hatred. Think of that for a moment, and then I'll provide the link. Inciting hatred. Not violence, not criminal behavior, but an emotion. And if you've seen Gert's films or listened to him, you quickly realize he's not inciting a damn thing. He's only CRITICIZING. Criticizing the fact that Muslims are making more and more demands on European free speech, or preaching REAL hatred and violence in their mosques and nothing is done about it. Muslims can take to the streets in Europe and riot and threaten death to anyone who opposes Islam (or anyone who does political cartoons of Mohammed), and the authorities do nothing about it. But Gert Wilders releases a video or two, speaks out against unchecked Islamic political power in Europe, and HE'S the one brought up on charges. All because he "incited hatred", supposedly.


Here's a link to the article:


http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024533.php


And what's at stake? Only all of western civilization. Do you guys know there are already Sharia courts in Britain? So far they only have jurisdiction over civil matters, but tell that to a wife whose Muslim pig husband beats her to a pulp and she wants a divorce. Since the Sharia court can decide on the matter, and since no British court will overturn it, she'll probably avoid seeking justice completely because she knows the Sharia judge will give her husband a slap on the wrist (at BEST) and then she'll be in for the beating of her lifetime when she gets back home. Can you imagine it? Political correctness has so infected Europe that these people have allowed foreigners to come into their country, demand their own sets of laws, and they GAVE IT TO THEM!


What does all this have to do with senile old Dan Rooney and his give-away-everything-including-the-sink-to-blacks NFL policies? Everything, because it's all part of the same liberal sickness. Appeasement, appeasement, appeasement. That's the watch word of the day. In Europe they appease the Muslims. In America we appease he blacks. Soon everyone will be appeased for everything --- everyone accept caucasians, that is --- and law and order will go out the window. You mark my words.


Talking nice about Dan Roney despite what he's done is just playing their liberal game of appeasement. I won't talk nice about him. I wish him an aneurysm --- how's that for nice?


And getting back to the original topic --- i.e. will the Rooney Rule soon go away --- I just don't know about it. If you look up the Rooney Rule on Wikipedia you'll see they're even thinking about adopting it for college football as well. Believe me, folks, liberalism SPREADS like a cancer. It is never appeased, it is never satisfied. It grows and grows until you wake up one day and you don't recognize the world you live in anymore. University students are being indoctrinated as we speak, so you can kiss the next generation goodbye. And when affirmitive action or wellfare or the Rooney Rule or Sharia courts in Britain don't achieve the desired liberal results --- or even if they DO achieve them, as is the case with the NFL --- the standard liberal gameplan is to stuff more of it down your throat.


One of our cats is old and sick. He's lost a lot of weight recently. My girlfriend, in an attempt to give him more protein and perhaps make his final days more pleasant, has started giving him an all wet food diet. That's great, because he's rebounded somewhat. Now, this cat, MY cat long before she came along, has become a spoiled little bastard. He'll get a plate of food and come back ten minutes later for more, whining and crying and scratching. What does she do? She gives him another plate because she thinks it will appease him. And it does --- for about an hour. Now he's learned that he can get food whenever he wants it by making a big enough fuss. And without fail, she gives in. This is the politics of feline appetite. It translates directly and perfectly to the national scale. Like much of our black population (and white too, don't get me wrong) my cat is again fat, lazy and loud.


I suppose I should make my standard forum recommendation now. It's an hour and 38 minutes, but please, if you get your news from CNN and think Islam is a religion of peace with a few bad terrorist apples who just need to be smoked out of their holes in Afghanistan, please, I implore you, watch this video. It will open your eyes like nothing you've ever seen before on the subject:


Islam: What the West Needs to Know


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It looks as though my attempt at subtelty was entirely missed. I understand and agree with you and OldSchoolBoy in your rant on Rooney and your posts about whites, our anger, and not being silent. I'm saying we don't have to do it by using certain language on this board. Just so there's no misunderstanding, I'm talking about using GD. I don't think thats too much to ask, since other, muchless offensive words are censored on this board. Edited by: Colonel_Reb
 
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