New Football Programs(FCS)

[celticdb15]

Draft Daddy just posted a great article about seven new schools trying to start up football prgrams at the FCS level. THe only problem i have with it, is that all seven of these prgrams are in the caste deep south! Not one program is from the midwest or northwestwhere there a lot of white high school athletes reside. My worst fear is that they will be filled up with real affletes in order to try and compete with the SEC and ACC standards!

Here's the link http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=952587

 

[dwid]

well University of Southern Alabama is starting up a football program and I have a strange feeling that they will be White friendly.

One thing you have to remember about the deep south is, there are still plenty of great White football players in the area. New schools starting up can either choose to pick up black athletes that have been passed over by bigger schools, usually because they arent good enough or have an extremely bad criminal history. No offense but the black parts of the south are heavily scouted by all major and even smaller colleges for talent and if a black player is passed up, its usually because he isnt that good.

Or they can pick up White athletes that are passed over by bigger schools because of the PERCEPTION that they arent good enough even though in many cases they are very talented. If I had a new football program, the fastest way to have a good team is to pick up overlooked underrated White talent. And if they have offers from bigger schools I would guarantee them that they will stay and start at the best position they are suited for instead of slotting them into caste positions like fullback/tight end.

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[celticdb15]

Dwid can i ask why you think South Alabama will be fair to whites? I may have overlooked the fact that their are a lot of good whites in these areas, i guess i would just rather see new programslocated in the midwest or northwest because they would be surrounded by white players to choose from (not to say they would anyways). I suppose it would just depend on the coach and his policies rather than the location.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

The coaches and personnel matter much more than location, hence Idaho and Idaho State being as black as they are. Most coaches, regardless of location, are caste. They make Caste teams. They will recruit from far away to get non-white players.

There is something to be said (in your argument) for the South having a larger black population as a percentage of Southern state populations, but the interests and biases of the coaches and staff are the ones that really matter.

 

[dwid]

Dwid can i ask why you think South Alabama will be fair to whites? I may have overlooked the fact that their are a lot of good whites in these areas, i guess i would just rather see new programs located in the midwest or northwest because they would be surrounded by white players to choose from (not to say they would anyways). I suppose it would just depend on the coach and his policies rather than the location.

Just the impression and vibes i got from the coaches there, could be wrong though. I think the idea was to try and bring in recruits with high character is something similiar to what they said.

So many small teams take in overrated prospects that dont get recruited by bigger programs because of trouble with the law, or ones that were recruited and wound up being kicked out of bigger programs because of too much trouble with the law after they are recruited. Like Jacksonville State taking in Ryan Perriloux who was supposed to be the next "great" LSU qb. He had about 7 strikes and finally Les Miles said he had to go.Edited by: dwid

 

[dwid]

I cant believe Idaho and Idaho st are majority black. It seems they would have to try really hard to pull that off. I always thought Idaho St was a Whiter school because Jared Allen played DE there

Also Jeff Charleston is from Idaho St. who got to see playing time in the DE rotation last season for the Saints and matched the overrated Will Smith's sack total in a limited amount of snaps coming to the team in the middle of the season. I have high hopes for him, he showed he could play and this year we have our two starting DE's missing for 4 games because of Starcaps (which they claimed they took to make weight), both who are payed like top 10 des but look more like defensive tackles and have played like crap since getting a big pay day. Hopefully the backups will outplay them and Smith will lose his job next year and they will move Grant to DT (which he has done on several snaps before and played well)

We got rid of DT Brian Young so it would be nice to have a White player on the dline. Young might come back in 2010 if he heals up, and there were talks about him being a position coach for this year, he is really good but has run into a bad string of injuries. We had another White DE Josh Savage but they got rid of him.

Eh, im getting off subject. I think Colonel Reb is right, its more about the staff, and it seems like coaches from the South would be a little bit more biased but that hasnt been the case recently. I know the SEC is mainly black but I dont know where the coaches are originally from. It seems like a smaller school would have a coach from the area and it doesnt make sense to try and compete with the major programs for the same black talent, you are just going to get the leftovers who usually arent that good.

It would be interesting to see a team made up of mainly talented White players from the south who got screwed over in the recruiting process with a good coaching staff against an SEC team.

It does seem like White players from the South are screwed over the most, but that could just be because I am from here and more likely to see it and dont know what goes on in the Whiter states. I mean someone had that interesting post on all of those good Arkansas players, one in particular that was really talented yet had no offers.Edited by: dwid

 

[Colonel_Reb]

dwid, I believe that white Southern players get screwed more than whites in areas that have smaller black populations. Given the propensity that 98% of college coaches will recruit and/or play a black over a white at WR, CB, RB, it just makes sense that whites who play in areas where most players are black (i.e. the Deep South) will be overlooked.

 

[DixieDestroyer]

GA State is starting a program under former GA Tech & Bama coach Bill Curry (a good former player & solid coach). Hopefully, it won't be caste-driven too much.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Interesting story about Georgia State's first and (for now) only player, White WR/RB Mark Hogan Jr.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/stories/2009/01/26/georgia_state_football_recruit.html

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The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Monday, January 26, 2009
































































































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Mark Hogan Jr. is a contradiction, a trail blazer who's following a familiar path.


He is the first â€" and only, so far â€" Georgia State University
football player, the answer to a trivia question that'll probably make
the rounds two decades from now. That's the trail he blazes.


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Hogan Jr. takes a break from the weight room. His father, Mark Sr.,
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<h3>Mark Hogan Jr. performs a power squat. He works out regularly and is ‘a tough sucker.'</h3>
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State football player Mark Hogan Jr. walks past GSU's trophy case on
the way to the weight room, where is the sole student of conditioning
coach J.R. Terry.
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"It feels good. But, at the same time, it's weird,"Â￾ Hogan said.
"Football's a team sport, with 70 to 80 guys split into offense,
defense and special teams. But it's just me right now. In that aspect,
it's a little strange."Â￾


Stranger still is that the coach he'll play for is the one his father played for 24 years ago. Therein is the familiar path.


"It's my first time having a second-generation player,"Â￾ said Bill
Curry, a head coach for 17 years through stops at Georgia Tech, Alabama
and Kentucky.


Mark Hogan Sr. went from walk-on reserve to scholarship starter and
a member of Tech's famed Black Watch Defense in 1985. But the father
never put any pressure on the son to play for Curry.


"He wanted me to do what was best for me,"Â￾ said Hogan Jr., 19, a
wide receiver/running back who was going to play for Brown University,
then decided before the 2008 season that the school didn't suit him.
"I'm happy with the way things worked out."Â￾


While Hogan Sr., a safety, shot up the ranks by tackling anything
that moved, hitting so hard he broke helmets, Curry said the son has
more ability.


"He's a lot superior,"Â￾ said Curry, though he's seen Hogan Jr. play only on video.


If being the football program's only signee makes him the big man on
campus, the soft-spoken but laser-focused Hogan disguises it well. At 5
feet 11, 190 pounds, he has blended in with all of the other business
majors in the three weeks since he enrolled.


Hogan talked with Dave Cohen, who likely will call his games when
GSU begins play in September 2010, during halftime of the Jan. 10
basketball broadcast against Drexel. Few had any idea the veteran radio
announcer was talking to the school's first football player.


"With people who know that it's him, yes, they knew,"Â￾ Cohen said.
"But there's 28,000 students here who can't be caught up in that."Â￾


At Lincoln-Sudbury High in Massachusetts, Hogan Jr. was well known,
rushing for 2,622 yards and catching 57 passes for 931 yards. He scored
41 touchdowns and grabbed eight interceptions. He made the Super 26
All-State team.


Cohen predicts Hogan, who's at GSU on a scholarship, will adjust
fine. He will be eligible to play for four years, with the clock
starting next fall, and plans to attend graduate school.


"He's got no stats that he has to beat, no won-lost record that he
has to live up to,"Â￾ Cohen said. "Everything they do is going to be for
the first time â€" it's like that Foreigner song."Â￾


He won't be GSU's sole football player much longer. National signing
day is Feb. 4, and Curry expects "a good number"Â￾ of signees, though
NCAA rules keep him from identifying prospects.


During the time he's been the one and only, Hogan talks about
getting prepared to play, about being a leader and doing the right
things when no one's watching, about the importance of academics.


And he backs it up, Curry said, earning the respect of coaches and counselors alike.


"He's a tough sucker, I know that,"Â￾ said Ken Coggins, GSU's strength
and conditioning coach. "What I'm doing with him is going to take him
to a new level."Â￾


In terms of dedication, Hogan is already at a new level. Curry has heard it from the player's mouth.


"The only touch of what some might call wieneriness or real
confidence,"Â￾ Curry said, "is when he told me, ‘Coach, I'll be a one-man
gang' in terms of training. And he is. He shows up early for
everything. Our tutors called me and said, ‘Coach, he's 10 minutes
early!' "


Hogan has learned that time moves no faster, no matter how hard he works. But he sees progress.


"In the coaches' office, there's a ticking clock that says the
season is 500-something days away,"Â￾ said Hogan. "I remember when it was
in the 600s."Â￾

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[Jimmy Chitwood]

nice find, Colonel! here's a link to his highlight video on youtube. he appears to be a one cut, then get north and south runner, which is the kind of back i like. he doesn't do much dancing around, he just hits the hole hard and then hits the gas.

according to his Rivals profile he runs a 4.5.

 

[celticdb15]

Good luck to Mr. Hogan. Georgia Stateseems to be heading in the right directionEdited by: celticdb15

 

[Colonel_Reb]

One of the other soon to be FCS programs is Charlotte, who just hired former Wake Forest DC Brad Lambert to be their head coach. He has also coached at Oklahoma, Marshall and Georgia. He was a DB in college. It will be interesting to see whether Charlotte ends up being as black as the FBS schools in North Carolina. I sure hope not. Supposedly, they eventually want to end up in the FBS, but I suspect they will be FCS for a while.



CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Charlotte athletic director Judy Rose's search
for the school's first football coach took a dramatic twist when she
came across a candidate she had never heard of: Brad Lambert.

"I
read his letter of application and I said, 'Oh my gosh, who is this
guy?" Rose said of the Wake Forest defensive coordinator. "It was not
your cookie cutter letter. No, it talked about growing up on a farm in
Kansas, work ethic and what he would do as coach. So I started making
phone calls."

Less than three weeks later, Rose was introducing
Lambert on Tuesday as the first coach of the Football Championship
Subdivision program that begins play in 2013.

"I think it does
show something to people -- we did look at those applications that came
in," Rose said. "If I hadn't looked at it, he probably wouldn't be our
coach here today."

Lambert, who received a six-year deal worth
$250,000 annually for his first head coaching job, quickly announced
he's hired former West Virginia offensive coordinator Jeff Mullen to run
the offense. He can hire two other assistants immediately to begin
recruiting for a redshirt freshmen class that will arrive in the fall of
2012.

The 46-year-old Lambert will fill the rest of his staff
early next year. The 49ers' first football game is scheduled for Aug.
31, 2013 against Campbell in Charlotte's new 15,000-seat stadium.
Groundbreaking on that facility is slated for later this month.

The school of more than 25,000 students plans to eventually move to the Football Bowl Subdivision.

"The
ability to lay the foundation with integrity and character is really
what enticed me ultimately," said Lambert, wearing a green-striped tie
to match the school's colors. "You don't leave a great job that you have
just to take another job. The attractive thing here was the plan that
was in place."

Rose said she was targeting head coaches from the
FCS level or coordinators from the FBS. She didn't entertain position
coaches because she wanted someone who had called plays.

Despite
seeking attention in a sports market that already includes the NFL, NBA,
NASCAR and plenty of college basketball, Rose resisted hiring a big
name such as former North Carolina State coach Chuck Amato or
ex-Carolina Panthers safety Mike Minter, who both expressed interest in
the job.

Other schools recently starting football programs have
gone the star route. Georgia State hired former Alabama boss Bill Curry
and ex-Miami coach Larry Coker is at Texas-San Antonio.

"We had
our list of what we were looking for and 'wow factor' was on there,"
Rose said. "But see, I think we got wow factor. Is it wow factor
compared to Bill Curry or Coker, older guys who have been there and done
that and come back? In a lot of people's minds maybe no. But a wow
factor in what he's accomplished."

Lambert, who played defensive
back at Kansas State, worked on staffs at Oklahoma, Marshall and Georgia
before getting to Wake Forest in 2001. He coached linebackers until
coach Jim Grobe promoted him to defensive coordinator in 2008.

After
winning the Atlantic Coast Conference in 2006, Wake Forest slumped to
3-9 this season with the defense giving up a league-high 35.8 points a
game. Rose said that didn't factor in her decision to choose Lambert
over two other unnamed finalists and said Grobe gave Lambert a strong
recommendation.

"This is a wonderful opportunity for him and I know he'll be a great head football coach," Grobe said.

Lambert's opening news conference had some star power.

Tennessee
Titans linebacker Will Witherspoon, who played under Lambert at
Georgia, was there. So were linebacker Aaron Curry of the Seattle
Seahawks, Alphonso Smith of the Detroit Lions and other former Wake
Forest players, including quarterback Riley Skinner.

Curry, the
No. 4 pick in the 2009 draft, said he wasn't surprised Lambert would
leave an FBS program for a school not only playing at a lower level, but
one that doesn't have any players, equipment, football offices or even a
conference to play in.

"I kind of compared it to the relationship
we had," Curry said. "He had me from the beginning and there was
nothing special about me. I had no direction. I didn't know where I was
going. So I was a project for him.

"For him to step into a
situation where it's the very beginning for a program, he's going to be
able to install his values, his morals."

But it's a long process,
with Lambert's first task to entice players to join a team that's more
than 900 days away from playing its first game.

"The biggest thing
is everything is going to be new," Lambert said when asked about his
recruiting pitch. "You walk in all the facilities will be new, the staff
is going to be new and there's probably a good chance you'll play."http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6171110

Lambert's Wake Forest Profile