Barry Bonds
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He can't seem to sustain being healthy for more than one month at a time. There's no DH in the National Leaguer and I don't believe he can stay healthy and play the outfield for any serious length of time. Of course he can dog it in the outfield and never dive or go all out for anything, he can buy some time that way.
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What I don't understand is why he isn't playing first? But then again I detest him so if was forced to play center field and his bad knee swelled up to the size of a beachball I wouldn't mind seeing that either.........
Why wasnt Bonds subpoened to testify to congress like McGwire, Sosa and Palmeiro were? Everyone knew what he was doing and that he was going for the homerun record but he was given a pass. All other sports banned steroids except baseball because that was the way Selig and the owners and players wanted to get out of the mess they jointly created with the lockout in 1994-1995. Everyone including the media knew what was going on and they encouraged it by their silence. Sports has been poisoned by individual and corporate greed just like everything else in society.
Good news -- Bonds' spring training is over and he won't play until the regular season. His right knee must still be pretty bad. The fact that the NL doesn't have a DH is really working against Bonds. Playing in the field will put a lot of stress on his knee, not to mention he'll be the slowest moving outfielder of all time.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2385102
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That poor man Bonds. He's up against the entire racist world. It must be jealousy.
The San Diego fans were rough on Bonds in the home opener. Will it be this way everywhere he plays on the road?
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Last week, I saw sportscaster Warner Wolf on CourtTV. Wolf was discussing Barry Bonds. Wolf said that MLB's Corporate sponsors don't want Bonds around. They see him as a liability because he turns off the fans.
Wolf said that the Powers That Be want Bonds to admit his guilt and express remorse. If he does this, he will be "allowed to break the record." If not, he would get a one-year suspension. Wolf acknowledged that Selig probably hasn't the fortitude to do this.
Wolf said that the Powers That Be want Bonds to admit his guilt and express remorse. If he does this, he will be "allowed to break the record." If not, he would get a one-year suspension. Wolf acknowledged that Selig probably hasn't the fortitude to do this.
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I hope fans treat him horrible everywhere he goes. It's not a racism issue with Barry Bonds as he likes to believe, it's that HE is a racist, a cheater, and and *******. The fact that he will inevitably pass Ruth certainly sickens me and hopefully he doesn't pass Aaron, who actually did face difficult circumstances as a player for being black, unlike Bonds who faces difficult circumstances for being an ******* and a cheater, and not because of the color of his skin...
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Of course, Bonds will equate this with Aaron having to arrive at the ballpark with FBI escorts.............
With the schedule well past the halfway point, Mr. Wonderful has a .250 batting average, 13 home runs and 41 RBIs. It appears he'll have to play into 2008 now to catch Aaron, but at the rate he's declining he might not even do it then.
If this was a white player with the same personality and steroids-induced records it'd be a safe bet to say that no team would want him in '07. But since it's Bonds, if he wants to play someone will sign him despite his inability to run, field, and hit. After all the media loves him -- SI.com's website has 6, count 'em 6, Bonds stories today, while ESPN shows admirable restraint with just 3.
The media showed much less interest in last night's duel between 300 game winners Roger Clemens and Greg Maddux. It was treated as no big deal, eventhough the last time two 300 game winners had faced each other in the NL before Clemens and Maddux met last year was in 1892.
This is quite typical of how the media downplays white athletes at the expense of black ones. Even the headline of the Clemens-Maddux matchup on SI.com is demeaning -- "One For the Aged." Do you think that if two black 300 game winners were matched up that it would have been so lightly dismissed? Of course, one of the safest bets in baseball is that no black pitcher will ever win 300 games, much less two of them.
Butit's not purely racial either. More and more the only thing that matters in "sports journalism" is being able to write glib, clever phrases. Most of these "journalists" have no ability to distinguish the trivial from the profound, but they all know how to be irreverent.
If this was a white player with the same personality and steroids-induced records it'd be a safe bet to say that no team would want him in '07. But since it's Bonds, if he wants to play someone will sign him despite his inability to run, field, and hit. After all the media loves him -- SI.com's website has 6, count 'em 6, Bonds stories today, while ESPN shows admirable restraint with just 3.
The media showed much less interest in last night's duel between 300 game winners Roger Clemens and Greg Maddux. It was treated as no big deal, eventhough the last time two 300 game winners had faced each other in the NL before Clemens and Maddux met last year was in 1892.
This is quite typical of how the media downplays white athletes at the expense of black ones. Even the headline of the Clemens-Maddux matchup on SI.com is demeaning -- "One For the Aged." Do you think that if two black 300 game winners were matched up that it would have been so lightly dismissed? Of course, one of the safest bets in baseball is that no black pitcher will ever win 300 games, much less two of them.
Butit's not purely racial either. More and more the only thing that matters in "sports journalism" is being able to write glib, clever phrases. Most of these "journalists" have no ability to distinguish the trivial from the profound, but they all know how to be irreverent.
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At age 42, Stan Musial hit .330, and Ted Williams hit .316.
Don, you are exactly right about all the glib phrases used by the lame, wanna be comedians on air (and their lesser known brethern in the print media). These guys are all frustrated comedians, and they are constantly trying out their pathetic act on the viewing audience. Bob Ley is about the only guy on ESPN who isn't a disciple of the Keith Olbermann school of smartass "reporting." They alternate between inserting as much stale, leftist propaganda into their "reporting" with lots of shouting and bestowing praise and ridiculous nicknames on various undeserving blacks. But when a serious subject comes up, like the Negro Leagues, or some other "racial" issue (translation- whatever blacks are complaining about at the moment), these clowns suddenly wear grave expressions and stop the comedy.
From all indications it looks like Mark McGwire is not going to come close to being elected to the Hall of Fame in his first year of eligibility, as he is being shunned because of his alleged use of steroids.
Can anyone imagine Mark McGwire at age 43 still playing for a team in 2007? Yet the Giants are about to sign Barry Bonds (who will turn 43 in July) to a contract for the upcoming season.
I was reading a column today by Ann Killion of the San Jose Mercury News, who writes that Giants fans -- always touted as "loving" Bonds in spite of his steroids use and despicable character -- don't want him back, believing and endorsing owner Peter Magowan's statement in October that the team would go a new direction because "older and experienced hasn't worked."
Writes Killian, "The Giants are rewarding a player who refused to pinch-hit last season in crucial games. Who dictated when and where he would play. Who made his manager look like a helpless fool. Who has never given a damn about anyone else in the organization."
What happened to all the supposed "investigations" taking place concerning Bonds? For years we've heard about criminal investigations concerning illegal steroid use, perjury, and tax evasion, but surprise surprise nothing ever comes of them. And isn't MLB also supposedly investigating Bonds' steroids use? What a joke.
Why is this cheating creep still playing, and for $16 million yet? He has to be the biggest liability in the field and on the bases to ever play for a major league team. Because his race is his trump card. The Caste System wants Americans to keep believing that blacks are the best athletes, and Bonds fits the bill. He has received, and will continue to receive until he finally retires, more media coverage than all the white stars in baseball combined. It may be a bit of an embarrassment to baseball's higher-ups when Bonds breaks Hank Aaron's career homer mark, but not that much of one.
Can anyone imagine Mark McGwire at age 43 still playing for a team in 2007? Yet the Giants are about to sign Barry Bonds (who will turn 43 in July) to a contract for the upcoming season.
I was reading a column today by Ann Killion of the San Jose Mercury News, who writes that Giants fans -- always touted as "loving" Bonds in spite of his steroids use and despicable character -- don't want him back, believing and endorsing owner Peter Magowan's statement in October that the team would go a new direction because "older and experienced hasn't worked."
Writes Killian, "The Giants are rewarding a player who refused to pinch-hit last season in crucial games. Who dictated when and where he would play. Who made his manager look like a helpless fool. Who has never given a damn about anyone else in the organization."
What happened to all the supposed "investigations" taking place concerning Bonds? For years we've heard about criminal investigations concerning illegal steroid use, perjury, and tax evasion, but surprise surprise nothing ever comes of them. And isn't MLB also supposedly investigating Bonds' steroids use? What a joke.
Why is this cheating creep still playing, and for $16 million yet? He has to be the biggest liability in the field and on the bases to ever play for a major league team. Because his race is his trump card. The Caste System wants Americans to keep believing that blacks are the best athletes, and Bonds fits the bill. He has received, and will continue to receive until he finally retires, more media coverage than all the white stars in baseball combined. It may be a bit of an embarrassment to baseball's higher-ups when Bonds breaks Hank Aaron's career homer mark, but not that much of one.
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Bonds failed his amphy test, and blames Sweeney. Par for the course for this guy.
Bonds failed amphetamine test
Bonds failed amphetamine test
January 11, 2007
NEW YORK (AP) -- Barry Bonds failed a test for amphetamines last season and originally blamed it on a teammate, the Daily News reported Thursday.
When first informed of the positive test, Bonds attributed it to a substance he had taken from teammate Mark Sweeney's locker, the New York City newspaper said, citing several unnamed sources.
"I have no comment on that," Bonds' agent Jeff Borris told the Daily News on Wednesday night.
"Mark was made aware of the fact that his name had been brought up," Sweeney's agent Barry Axelrod told the Daily News. "But he did not give Barry Bonds anything, and there was nothing he could have given Barry Bonds."
Bonds, who always has maintained he never has tested positive for illegal drug use, already is under investigation for lying about steroid use.
A federal grand jury is investigating whether the 42-year-old Bonds perjured himself when he testified in 2003 in the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative steroid distribution case that he never knowingly used performance-enhancing drugs. The San Francisco Giants slugger told a 2003 federal grand jury that he believed his trainer Greg Anderson had provided him flaxseed oil and arthritic balm, not steroids.
Under baseball's amphetamines policy, which went into effect last season, players are not publicly identified for a first positive test. A second positive test for amphetamines results in a 25-game suspension. The first failed steroids test costs a player 50 games.
Bonds did not appeal the positive test, according to the Daily News, which made him subject to six drug tests by MLB over the next six months.
"We're not in a position to confirm or deny, obviously," MLB spokesman Rich Levin told the Daily News.
According to the newspaper, Sweeney learned of the Bonds' positive test from Gene Orza, chief operating officer of the Major League Baseball Players Association. Orza told Sweeney, the paper said, that he should remove any troublesome substances from his locker and should not share said substances. Sweeney said there was nothing of concern in his locker, according to the Daily News' sources.
An AP message for Sweeney was not immediately returned late Wednesday.
The Giants still are working to finalize complicated language in Bonds' $16 million, one-year contract for next season -- a process that has lasted almost a month since he agreed to the deal Dec. 7 on the last day of baseball's winter meetings.
The language still being negotiated concerns the left fielder's compliance with team rules, as well as what would happen if he were to be indicted or have other legal troubles.
Borris has declined to comment on the negotiations. He didn't immediately return a message from the AP on Wednesday night.
Bonds is set to begin his 15th season with the Giants only 22 home runs shy of surpassing Hank Aaron's career record of 755.
Bonds, considered healthy again following offseason surgery on his troublesome left elbow, has spent 14 of his 21 big league seasons with San Francisco and helped the Giants draw 3 million fans in all seven seasons at their waterfront ballpark.
After missing all but 14 games in 2005 following three operations on his right knee, Bonds batted .270 with 26 homers and 77 RBIs in 367 at-bats in 2006. He passed Babe Ruth to move into second place on the career home run list May 28.
Bonds failed amphetamine test
Bonds failed amphetamine test
January 11, 2007
NEW YORK (AP) -- Barry Bonds failed a test for amphetamines last season and originally blamed it on a teammate, the Daily News reported Thursday.
When first informed of the positive test, Bonds attributed it to a substance he had taken from teammate Mark Sweeney's locker, the New York City newspaper said, citing several unnamed sources.
"I have no comment on that," Bonds' agent Jeff Borris told the Daily News on Wednesday night.
"Mark was made aware of the fact that his name had been brought up," Sweeney's agent Barry Axelrod told the Daily News. "But he did not give Barry Bonds anything, and there was nothing he could have given Barry Bonds."
Bonds, who always has maintained he never has tested positive for illegal drug use, already is under investigation for lying about steroid use.
A federal grand jury is investigating whether the 42-year-old Bonds perjured himself when he testified in 2003 in the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative steroid distribution case that he never knowingly used performance-enhancing drugs. The San Francisco Giants slugger told a 2003 federal grand jury that he believed his trainer Greg Anderson had provided him flaxseed oil and arthritic balm, not steroids.
Under baseball's amphetamines policy, which went into effect last season, players are not publicly identified for a first positive test. A second positive test for amphetamines results in a 25-game suspension. The first failed steroids test costs a player 50 games.
Bonds did not appeal the positive test, according to the Daily News, which made him subject to six drug tests by MLB over the next six months.
"We're not in a position to confirm or deny, obviously," MLB spokesman Rich Levin told the Daily News.
According to the newspaper, Sweeney learned of the Bonds' positive test from Gene Orza, chief operating officer of the Major League Baseball Players Association. Orza told Sweeney, the paper said, that he should remove any troublesome substances from his locker and should not share said substances. Sweeney said there was nothing of concern in his locker, according to the Daily News' sources.
An AP message for Sweeney was not immediately returned late Wednesday.
The Giants still are working to finalize complicated language in Bonds' $16 million, one-year contract for next season -- a process that has lasted almost a month since he agreed to the deal Dec. 7 on the last day of baseball's winter meetings.
The language still being negotiated concerns the left fielder's compliance with team rules, as well as what would happen if he were to be indicted or have other legal troubles.
Borris has declined to comment on the negotiations. He didn't immediately return a message from the AP on Wednesday night.
Bonds is set to begin his 15th season with the Giants only 22 home runs shy of surpassing Hank Aaron's career record of 755.
Bonds, considered healthy again following offseason surgery on his troublesome left elbow, has spent 14 of his 21 big league seasons with San Francisco and helped the Giants draw 3 million fans in all seven seasons at their waterfront ballpark.
After missing all but 14 games in 2005 following three operations on his right knee, Bonds batted .270 with 26 homers and 77 RBIs in 367 at-bats in 2006. He passed Babe Ruth to move into second place on the career home run list May 28.
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What is it with baseball players failing pee-pee tests and blaming their teammates? I have never seen a football player do it or a track athlete. Maybe because in football if you lie against a teammate you will get a cheapshot in a scrimmage when you return to the lineup.....Solomon Kane said:
Bud Selig is saying that while he may or may not attend Giants games in person when Bonds is about to break the career homerun mark, Major League Baseballwill celebrate the "feat exactly as it does any other major milestone."
Mark McGwire is continually humiliated, but Bonds -- who may be the worst player in baseball history this year given his inability to field or run -- gets a ridiculous contract from the Giants followed by the royal treatment if he breaks baseball's most famous record. Maybe Shawn Merriman can be there in Selig's place. . .
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2759294
Mark McGwire is continually humiliated, but Bonds -- who may be the worst player in baseball history this year given his inability to field or run -- gets a ridiculous contract from the Giants followed by the royal treatment if he breaks baseball's most famous record. Maybe Shawn Merriman can be there in Selig's place. . .
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2759294
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From the looks of Bud light he should get Bonds to hook him up with some juice. Bud light looks like he is going through male menopause........Don Wassall said:
Excerpt from anarticle currently on SI.com:
You hear all that noise from the Bonds camp and yet most conspicuous is the silence on challenging the facts of the case. Shadows succeeded because it couched nothing and stood unchallenged. My favorite fact: the authors detail in their afterword the freakish growth of Bonds' body parts in his years with the Giants: from size 42 to a size 52 jersey; from size 10 1/2 to size 13 cleats; and from a size 7 1/8 to size 7 1/4 cap, even though he had taken to shaving his head.
"The changes in his foot and head size," they write, "were of special interest: medical experts said overuse of human growth hormone could cause an adult's extremities to begin growing, aping the symptoms of the glandular disorder acromegaly."
You cannot read the book without concluding that Bonds is one of the biggest serial dopers in sports history. So why haven't the feds dropped the hammer on his little story about how he thought he was using flaxseed oil?
Full Article: [url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tom_verducci/0 2/27/shadows.afterword/index.html [/url]
You hear all that noise from the Bonds camp and yet most conspicuous is the silence on challenging the facts of the case. Shadows succeeded because it couched nothing and stood unchallenged. My favorite fact: the authors detail in their afterword the freakish growth of Bonds' body parts in his years with the Giants: from size 42 to a size 52 jersey; from size 10 1/2 to size 13 cleats; and from a size 7 1/8 to size 7 1/4 cap, even though he had taken to shaving his head.
"The changes in his foot and head size," they write, "were of special interest: medical experts said overuse of human growth hormone could cause an adult's extremities to begin growing, aping the symptoms of the glandular disorder acromegaly."
You cannot read the book without concluding that Bonds is one of the biggest serial dopers in sports history. So why haven't the feds dropped the hammer on his little story about how he thought he was using flaxseed oil?
Full Article: [url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tom_verducci/0 2/27/shadows.afterword/index.html [/url]
Anybody watching this Bonds town meeting? One of the reporters argued that Bonds should get into the HOF on the first ballot because he had a HOF career before the questionable steroid influenced seasons, McGwire did not.
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Man, is that a terrible excuse. You could say the same thing about Pete
Rose. And what Rose did had absolutely no effect on his on-field
performance, unlike Bonds. Bud Selig said today that in America, people
should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. If that's the standard,
McGwire should be in the Hall of Fame. Edited by: PitBull
Rose. And what Rose did had absolutely no effect on his on-field
performance, unlike Bonds. Bud Selig said today that in America, people
should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. If that's the standard,
McGwire should be in the Hall of Fame. Edited by: PitBull
Bart said:
Bud Selig shows himself to be an even bigger piece of scum then he already has with this "change of mind". That pile of crap tried to jerk everyone around by insinuating that he was going to stand on some kind of principle and then capitulated in the end. Typical two-faced lying manipulative non-Semetic slime.
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Bonds was a Hall of fame player before his homerun race .C Darwin said:
If bonds retired in 97 he still makes the HOF.