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dwid

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lol typical comment about the "future qb"

every athletic qb that has had any success in extending his career has had to learn to stay back in the pocket and pass. Qbs just get hit too much to run the zone read long term. You can have the occasional option play as a wrinkle but the qb running even close to 10 times a game opens him up to injury (Colin Kapernick and Rg3 ran about 9 times a game). Yeah they might not keep every single play but they usually get hit if they decide to hand off, that seems to have been a strategy to stopping it, just hitting the qb whenever you can.The average career of a rb is 3.5 years, and not every one of them is getting the rock 20 times a game. Of course the argument is "well they get hit all the time sitting in the pocket, how is it better to get hit from the blindside rather than when you are running and know where you are going." Well qbs are protected in the pocket, you can't go at their knees, or their head, and good qbs can feel blindside pressure and usually go limp when they feel getting sacked, Dan Marino said this. When you run you expose everything, hits to the knees, as we can see with RG3. Once that qb starts running forward past the los he is no different than a rb, yeah he may slide but look at Brady last week , his leg in the air he could have getting injured, and there is no guarantee that you can slide or get out of bounds before you are tackled.

Other than the injury issue, is the fact that teams haven't had that long to adjust to it. It just got big this year. Defensive coordinators will slow it down. My opinion on why Rob Ryan was fired even though he did well? Monte Kiffin was the first to shut down the spread option back when Florida was running it. The only problem was he couldn't stop good ole power football with Tebow running plays that a rb would run, just taking direct snaps. There were a lot of 3rd and 3's that he converted, just wouldn't be denied. Kiffin said he was not human. None of the black quarterbacks right now could do that, maybe Cam could do it to some degree but his body really isn't built to do it with his height, his running his more known for making nice moves in open space when there is a big hole because of the scheme.

Don't these guys realize they just make themselves look like fools when it doesn't pan out that way?

The pistol will be here to stay imo. However that doesn't mean "affletic qbs". Alabama runs the pistol. Their qb doesn't run. The read option like how the Redskins were running it, can not keep going at the same rate.

They just mentioned it again about teams trying it out for teams that don't have top qbs, then the other guy said "well you have to get the right player to run it"...you mean like Tebow? or Chandler Harnish who is still pretty young.
 

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lol typical comment about the "future qb"

every athletic qb that has had any success in extending his career has had to learn to stay back in the pocket and pass. Qbs just get hit too much to run the zone read long term. You can have the occasional option play as a wrinkle but the qb running even close to 10 times a game opens him up to injury (Colin Kapernick and Rg3 ran about 9 times a game). Yeah they might not keep every single play but they usually get hit if they decide to hand off, that seems to have been a strategy to stopping it, just hitting the qb whenever you can.The average career of a rb is 3.5 years, and not every one of them is getting the rock 20 times a game. Of course the argument is "well they get hit all the time sitting in the pocket, how is it better to get hit from the blindside rather than when you are running and know where you are going." Well qbs are protected in the pocket, you can't go at their knees, or their head, and good qbs can feel blindside pressure and usually go limp when they feel getting sacked, Dan Marino said this. When you run you expose everything, hits to the knees, as we can see with RG3. Once that qb starts running forward past the los he is no different than a rb, yeah he may slide but look at Brady last week , his leg in the air he could have getting injured, and there is no guarantee that you can slide or get out of bounds before you are tackled.

Other than the injury issue, is the fact that teams haven't had that long to adjust to it. It just got big this year. Defensive coordinators will slow it down. My opinion on why Rob Ryan was fired even though he did well? Monte Kiffin was the first to shut down the spread option back when Florida was running it. The only problem was he couldn't stop good ole power football with Tebow running plays that a rb would run, just taking direct snaps. There were a lot of 3rd and 3's that he converted, just wouldn't be denied. Kiffin said he was not human. None of the black quarterbacks right now could do that, maybe Cam could do it to some degree but his body really isn't built to do it with his height, his running his more known for making nice moves in open space when there is a big hole because of the scheme.

Don't these guys realize they just make themselves look like fools when it doesn't pan out that way?

The pistol will be here to stay imo. However that doesn't mean "affletic qbs". Alabama runs the pistol. Their qb doesn't run. The read option like how the Redskins were running it, can not keep going at the same rate.

They just mentioned it again about teams trying it out for teams that don't have top qbs, then the other guy said "well you have to get the right player to run it"...you mean like Tebow? or Chandler Harnish who is still pretty young.
Look at the way Mcnair physically fell apart or how Vicking is unravelling like a cheap sweater. Even Warren Moon ran in college and did roll outs and ran a bit for Edmonton. In the NFL as he approached 30 he was basically a "regular" drop back passer. Once these guys approach 30 they will be physically shot if they run as much as they have done early in their careers.
 

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Look at the way Mcnair physically fell apart or how Vicking is unravelling like a cheap sweater. Even Warren Moon ran in college and did roll outs and ran a bit for Edmonton. In the NFL as he approached 30 he was basically a "regular" drop back passer. Once these guys approach 30 they will be physically shot if they run as much as they have done early in their careers.


Russell Wilson has the best chance of the current crop of black QBs to have a long and successful career as he's heady and doesn't have to run a lot. Of course his height is a problem and he might become easier for defenses to contain by next year. Kaepernick doesn't strike me as a keeper as he doesn't seem real bright, but only time will tell no matter how next week's Super Bowl turns out.

But yeah it's comical to hear the CM media continue to promote the running quarterback as something new and exciting when almost all have failed or had to convert to being a pocket passer to succeed, something very few can do. The DWFs are rarely reminded of or think about the many flops and have eternal confidence that just about any black football player has tremendous upside.
 

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Power running game extends the elite QB's success witness Elway and Favre, both in the sunset years and both were revived by a run game. Elway could do that for Manning, but the two of them need to realize that Manning now is not Manning at 29. McCarthy saved Favre's career in 2006 with a run game and then a rejuvenated Favre had 3 more years one of them great.

These cultural marxist black ubermensch "we'll show the white goyim their place" QBs are a recipe for a team disaster. The hype created by the CMs totally skews the contracts and cap space on these teams. But in all honesty Tom Brady and his contract is strangling his team as well. NE needs a John Kuhn type FB to block the edge for Danny.
 
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