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Massa Bowden almost fell over laughing when once asked why he didn't use white RBs. His disdain for white players is well known. In 05', 06' and 08', FSU started 6 whites. In 2007, it was just 4.

Offense
QB Christian Ponder
TE Caz Piurowski
LT Andrew Datko
C Ryan McMahon
RG David Spurlock

Defense
DE Craig Yarborough

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because of his teams blackness he will never ever win again consistantly as a coach. Their has been talk about why FSU has lost its dominance, but know one will dare point out the obvious reason. The blacker his roster has gotten the more mediocre his team has become. I think Bowden knows this but his DWF fan base won't tolorate more white recruits, and Bowden dosen't want them. So their you have it FSU you will continue to lose to more white teams because your coach and your fans hate your own race. It couldn't happen to a more obnoxious group of coaches and fans.
 

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Here is a bit of good news. NCAA likely to take away Florida State victories in 10 sports, including as many as 14 by
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Bobby Bowden. It is their own fault for recruiting these "affletes" that have to cheat on a Florida State exam.
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With how much the school has been dumbed down, it is sad they had to cheat. According to the article, it was a music history online test.




http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/9691136/NCAA-intends-to-take-away-Florida-State-victories
 

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Poor little Bowden, not! I'm hope they take all 14 from him, the pathetic hypocrit!
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<h2>Florida State says penalty is unfair</h2>
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TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Florida State says it's
unfair to take wins off the individual records of football coach Bobby
Bowden and other coaches and athletes who had no role in an academic
cheating scandal.

In an appeal to the NCAA on Wednesday, the
university argued that a proposal to strip the school, its coaches and
athletes of victories in several sports is too harsh and should be
reversed.

If not, the penalty would cost Bowden up to 14 wins.
Taking that many victories off his personal record would give Bowden
little chance of catching Penn State's Joe Paterno in their race to be
major college football's winningest coach. Paterno has 383 wins, just
one more than Bowden, who is entering his 34th season at Florida State.

The
appeal cites Florida State's cooperation with the NCAA and self-imposed
penalties, including the loss of athletic scholarships and the
suspensions of those who cheated on an online music history test.

Florida
State's backup argument is that even if wins should be stripped from
the school's record, the individual records of innocent coaches and
athletes should not be docked. Under that scenario, Florida State would
still lose its 1997 national championship in track and field and the
football team would lose victories, but Bowden would not.





The 20-page appeal says it serves no valid
purpose to rewrite the win-loss records of a coach or a baseball or
softball pitcher who did not cheat because of violations committed by
others. It also notes that athletes whose accomplishments are measured
by other factors such as touchdowns or rushing yards would not be
punished.

"The NCAA should protect -- and not penalize -- those
who play by the rules," Florida State's legal team, headed by William
E. Williams, wrote in the appeal.

The NCCA's Infractions
Committee in March added the loss of wins to the penalties Florida
State imposed on itself last year. The case next goes to an infractions
appeal committee, which is expected to hold a hearing later this year.

The university issued a statement saying there would be no comment on the appeal.

Florida
State itself reported the violations to the NCAA, which then found 61
Seminoles athletes had cheated on the test in 2006-07 or received
improper help from staffers who provided answers or typed papers for
them.

The NCAA's Infractions Committee decided that "vacating,"
or giving up wins -- technically not forfeits because opponents'
records would remain unchanged -- was justified because "what happened
in that course was simply a symptom of a much larger disease -- a
systemic, 'environmental' problem among a large group of
student-athletes and three staff members."

The appeal says there's no evidence to support that conclusion.

"This
is mere hyperbole," the lawyers wrote. "It is unquestioned that
virtually all of the violations at issue are associated with a single,
online music course."

If academic fraud have been pandemic, there
would have been violations in other courses, but that didn't happen,
the university argues.

The appeal traces the cheating to academic
adviser Brenda Monk's zeal in helping student-athletes with learning
disabilities and her erroneous belief the music test was an "open-book
exam." As soon as she realized her mistake, she reported it, the appeal
says.

Florida State also argues the infractions committee broke
precedent by failing to explain what weight it gave to the university's
cooperation and self-imposed sanctions, citing prior cases involving
Alabama State, Howard, Alabama, Kentucky and Oklahoma.

That
failure will discourage other schools from cooperating in the future
and undermines the legitimacy of the penalties, the appeal states.

"It
also compels reversal," the lawyers wrote. "If the committee in fact
weighed those factors, it did so in a black box that denies the
university and this committee a meaningful opportunity to review the
appropriateness of its logic and its decision."

Finally, Florida
State argues it never would have entered an agreement with NCAA
staffers for the self-imposed penalties if officials had known the
school would also lose wins.


Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press
 

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<h1>Judge: Info on 'Noles cheating is public record</h1>














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<div>TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) - A top official at the NCAA said a court
ruling Thursday that documents dealing with cheating at Florida State
are public records sets a precedent that will "rip the heart out of the
NCAA" and its efforts to ensure competition is fair and equal.
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David Berst, the NCAA's vice president for Division I, said few
witnesses other than school officials and employees would be willing to
tell what they know about cheating, whether in recruiting, academics or
other areas, without the promise of confidentiality.


"We could see copycat efforts in other states," Berst said. "Yes, I believe that would rip the heart out of the NCAA."

His comments from the witness stand came soon after Circuit
Judge John Cooper rejected the NCAA's claim that the documents in the
Florida State case are not public.


The Associated Press and other
media outlets had sued to get the records on the college athletics
governing body's plan to strip coaches and athletes of wins in 10
sports.


That includes football coach Bobby Bowden, who could lose
14 victories. Bowden's chances of overtaking Penn State's Joe Paterno
as major college football's winningest coach would dim if the NCAA
rejects an appeal of that penalty. Paterno has 383 victories - one more
than Bowden.


Florida law says records are public if they are
"received" by a state agency. The NCAA claimed the Florida State
documents were not because the school never physically possessed the
documents in paper or electronic form.


Instead, the NCAA posted
them on a secure read-only Web site that could be accessed by the law
firm Florida State had hired for its appeal. School officials also
could have gone to NCAA headquarters in Indianapolis to take a look at
the documents.


Cooper rejected the argument.

After Berst's
testimony, he rejected the NCAA's claim that even if the documents are
public records they should not be released because that would violate
free association, contract and interstate commerce rights under the
U.S. Constitution.


The judge also found that making the documents
public would violate neither state nor federal laws guarding the
confidentially of student academic records. He made that ruling after
privately reading copies of two documents being sought that had student
names blacked out.


Media lawyer Carol Jean LoCicero in arguing to
obtain the Florida State records cited a 1990 appellate court ruling
that St. Petersburg and the Chicago White Sox violated the public
records law through a scheme to hide documents on the team's possible
move to Florida. The papers were sent to a local law firm where they
could be viewed by city officials and attorneys.


That was little different from what the NCAA and Florida State did, LoCicero said.

"Everything was done except touch a piece of paper," she said. "You don't have to touch a piece of paper to receive a document."

Cooper agreed, ruling that viewing the NCAA documents on a computer screen was the same as receiving them.http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/9890044/Judge:-Info-on-%27Noles-cheating-is-public-record
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Blake Snider and Garrett Faircloth (2008 commits) have finally enrolled.


http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/snider_blake01.html

http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/faircloth_garrett01.html


Right Guard, David Spurlock, is very good. He held his own against the sumos of Boston College last year. I saw the hyped-up left guard get beat in that game.

Here's Spurlock's profile:

http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/spurlock_david00.html

It says he recorded 37 knockdowns and only allowed 1 sack.
 

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<div>TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) - The NCAA must release documents on
Florida State's appeal of an academic cheating penalty unless it can
get an appellate court to order a delay.
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Circuit Judge John C. Cooper signed an order Friday ordering that the
copies be turned over to The Associated Press and other media, which
filed a public records lawsuit.


NCAA lawyers have said they planned to ask the 1st District Court of Appeal to block the release until it can rule on an appeal.

The
documents focus on Florida State's appeal of a plan to strip coaches
and athletes of wins in 10 sports. That includes football coach Bobby
Bowden. It would dim Bowden's chances of surpassing Penn State's Joe
Paterno for most wins by a major college coach.
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David Spurlock is the starting Right Guard. Craig Yarborough started at Defensive End.

We are always told that FSU is a Defensive Back U, but their secondary is AWFULLLL!!

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Thanks Deadlift!
 

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Since you said you don't have ESPN, I take it that you didn't see the game?

FSU missed tackles/sacks at critical junctures! The look on Massa Bowden's face was priceless!
 

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You are correct, Deadlift. I didn't see any of the game, although I could have watched it online. Our TV cable package is really sad, although they gave us ESPNU for some reason last week.
 

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I watched most of the second half and it was hard to watch. FSU couldn't cover anyone, even when the Miami QB lobbed up passes that could've been fair caught. Then with time running out, Ponder threw a pass into the end zone to win the game. It hit the receiver in the facemask and bounced to the ground. A truly pathetic display of D1 football.
 

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Yea, how that miami qb was completing all those passes is beyond me, from what i saw he had no velocity on his throws at all. Any other team and he would not have had that success. I bet people are touting this guy as the next vince young, mike vick etc. I hope he plays a legit defense at some point this season.
 

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Yeah, the ESPN crew was drooling all over Harris that whole game, saying what a nice touch he has on his throws. FSU's almost all "afflete" defense was horrible. Missed tackles, no coverage, penalties.
 

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I saw that WA33...the "CrimiNoles" have some "affletes" reading at a 2nd grade level. I'm sure MANY big D-1 programs have "afroletes" who are at the same level, or or slightly below. If it wasn't for their overhyped, caste-worshipped "talent", they'd be selling crack, stealing hubcaps or pushing a broom (at best).

FSU "CrimiNoles" Affletes Reading at 2nd Grade Level

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Hehe. I though whites were so racist. Funny how whites give out scholarships to affletes who can't even read. Remedial reading sure must be a fun course.
 

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Call this a plantation revolt and the overseer Bowden looks like he is on the outs. The scene looks like it could be similar to Lorne Green's firing of Vic Morrow in Roots. Here is an AP wire story about the troubles on the plantation....Slow start amplifies Bowden criticism
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TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Florida State coach Bobby Bowden said Sunday he isn't planning on quitting anytime soon, but the chair of the university's board of trustees has seen enough of the man who transformed the program into a collegiate powerhouse.

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"My hope is frankly that we'll go ahead, and if we have to, let the world know that this year will be the end of the Bowden era," chairman Jim Smith told the Tallahassee Democrat on Sunday. " ... I do appreciate what he's done for us, what he's done for the program, what he's done really for the state of Florida.

"I think the record will show that the Seminole Nation has been more than patient. We have been in a decline not for a year or two or three but I think we're coming up on seven or eight. I think enough is enough."

Bowden had no comment Monday night.

Interviewed by The Associated Press on Monday, Smith said the arrangement with Bowden as head coach and his successor, Jimbo Fisher, as offensive coordinator isn't working.

"We've got too many bosses out there," Smith said. "Jimbo is in a very, very tough situation where people assume he has a whole lot more authority than he really has. He's getting blamed for a lot of things that's just not his fault."

The Seminoles are 2-3 for the first time since Bowden's inaugural season at the school 33 years ago, and 0-2 in the Atlantic Coast Conference for the first time, prompting commentary about his future.

Smith confirmed to the Democrat that Florida State president T.K. Wetherell and legal counsel Betty Steffens have been working with Fisher to finalize a contract for him as head coach.

"The president intends to announce we've negotiated a contract with coach Fisher," Smith said, according to the newspaper.

Fisher was deemed the head coach-in-waiting in 2007. If he does not succeed Bowden at the conclusion of the 2010 season, Florida State -- under the terms of its agreement with Fisher -- would have to pay him $5 million. FSU has begun working on the structure of a five-year pact that would settle how much Fisher is to be paid when he takes over, if not further define when, a person familiar with those discussions told ESPN's Joe Schad.

It is expected that the plan, when formalized, would also give Fisher the authority to make staff decisions as early as the end of this season -- such as choosing the replacement for retiring defensive coordinator Mickey Andrews.

First-year head coaches at similar schools have recently earned about $2 million per season. Florida State would like to see a smooth transition from Bowden to Fisher, but there are complicating factors to the coach-in-waiting scenario, one person familiar with the situation told Schad. Bowden is still believed to be leaning toward coaching next season, the person said.

After Saturday's 28-21 loss at Boston College, two Florida newspapers, including the hometown Democrat, also said Bowden, who turns 80 on Nov. 8, should call it a career at the end of this season.

"The love and admiration we all have for Bobby doesn't put fans in the seats, money in the coffers or national championships in the trophy case," Orlando Sentinel columnist Mike Bianchi wrote. "Bobby used to be able to do all those things, but clearly he cannot anymore."

Steve Ellis, the Democrat's beat writer who frequently doubles up with opinion pieces, wrote that Florida State must make a tough decision while Bowden's apparent successor, Fisher, calls the plays for the offense.

"It is time," Ellis wrote in Sunday's edition. "This should be Bowden's last season."

Smith said the university's arrangement with Fisher has resulted in division among the Florida State staff, an accusation Seminoles coaches have vehemently denied.

"I know coaches are sniping at each other and that's just terrible," Smith told the AP on Monday. "There are too many mixed signals."

Bowden's 384 wins are three fewer than Penn State coach Joe Paterno, the career leader in victories among major college coaches. Bowden has a contract that gives him the option to return in 2010 -- but no later, or the school will have to pay Fisher a $5 million bonus.

With the pressure mounting on her husband, Ann Bowden told the Orlando Sentinel that Bobby has been betrayed by Smith and other boosters.

"I am angry," Ann Bowden told the newspaper on Monday. "I'm angry at some of our boosters that Bobby has worked for and supported, raised money for. And he's been such a top quality person, such great character and everything for this university. And for them to turn their back on him like that -- I don't care if he is 80 years old ... ."

According to the Sentinel, Bobby Bowden declined comment Monday.

Bowden, known for his glib, affable personality, said Sunday that he'd make the decision on his future in conjunction with the university president when the time is right.

"We are the ones who will determine what we do and what kind of progress we make," Bowden said. "I will determine my situation. I won't let some guys' speculation tell me when to move."

Thousands of Florida State fans on Internet sites share the opinion of Ellis and Bianchi, that the strange two-headed coaching arrangement isn't resulting in wins.

And Florida State's season doesn't get any easier when No. 22 Georgia Tech comes calling Saturday night, in a game that will be televised nationally. Suddenly, avoiding the Seminoles' first losing season since 1976 could become the only goal left.

"We've still got a lot of games to play," Bowden said. "We've got to stay the course and try to get better in the areas we're getting beat."

Still, Bowden realizes that another loss in the league would make it nearly impossible to get back to the ACC title game for the first time since 2005.

"You simply can't give up," he said. "I refuse to."

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I'm surprised there are not more posters ecstatic over Bowden's long overdue retirement. He is an odious human being and one of the greatest enemies of the white race in sports.
 

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Okay, I'm more than glad to add to this happiness. "Massa" Bowden is the only person who could take a team in West Virginia, a state with an incredibly low black population percentage, and turn it into a coal-black paradise. His legacy remains.
 

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Yes, it is nice to see him gone, although I don't know that things will change as much as we'd like. The word is that when "The Laugher" announces his retirement later today, Gator Bowl officials will invite Florida State to play Bowden's old team, West Virginia, as something of a sendoff. Another lackluster near coal black match-up.
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Colonel_Reb said:
Yes, it is nice to see him gone, although I don't know that things will change as much as we'd like. The word is that when "The Laugher" announces his retirement later today, Gator Bowl officials will invite Florida State to play Bowden's old team, West Virginia, as something of a sendoff. Another lackluster near coal black match-up.
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I agree, Col. Reb. Especially with the emphasis in Florida in black affletes. I can't think of a major Florida school with a large contigent of white players. Does this mean there aren't any quality white HS football players in Florida? In the dreaded latest SI issue, there is a big writeup about two coal-black Florida HS teams "teeming with D1 talent".
 

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Quickly off the top of my head:

Tim Tebow is from Jacksonville
John Mosure (rb for Colorado St) is from Miami
Conner Vernon (wr for Duke) is from the Miami area

I'm sure Florida has a huge pool of white talent, but since they also have alot of black areas all the big universities blindly recruit black and ignore white.
 
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