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Griffin has good size and measured out pretty well at the draft camps. but his reach isn't all that great. Also, Tyler Hansborough is nearly as tall as Griffin. Psycho T would be an excellent pick up. he could put a good team over the top. besides i would want a tough nosed leader who bangs, and rebounds and defends to win a championship from the power forward spot rather than a guy who has to score big to be effective and might not make the other guys better.

I think that the power forward spot is a position where you want a great role player (Rodman, or potentially Love and Hansborough) rather than a mediocre 'star' like Carlos Boozer or some other overrated power forward that clogs the paint and takes lots of low percentage shots (like an older Chris Webber).
 

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This was supposed to be about the NBA draft but I may have to change the tread to "white college players going to Europe". Sweet shooting Terrance Oglesby from Clemson is following Nick Calathes and going overseas. Oglesby had 2 years of eligibility that he will pass up.

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i gave up on the nba a long time ago, however i still have hope for the nfl. i think people are finally starting to realize what white football players have to offer.
 

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Freethinker its sad for white players to play pro basketball they must go overseas to do so
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Next year we have Tim Olbrecht coming out. He is athletic and can play any position from the 2-5. He is coming out of Germany but I doubt he will ever be even close to as good as Nowitzki. He could be a 15-18 point guy for years to come though.
 
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I think Suton from Michigan State will be a 2nd round pick. He's 6'10, has an excellent three point shot, is a good rebounder and moves his feet very well on perimeter defense. A lot of scouts may see him as a poor man's Okur.
 

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I updated my original post and list since the deadline to withdraw from the draft has past.

Biggest name dropping and returning to college is Luke Harangody.Edited by: Freethinker
 

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Glad to see Luke returning to the Irish for his senior season. He should be in the running for Big East MVP and first team All-American.
 

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Yea I think it was the right move for Luke even though he had a strong showing in pre-draft camps and would have certainly been a 2nd round selection. He showed "surprising" athleticism and was knocking down NBA three pointers with consistency. With a dominant senior year, I believe he can crack the first round next year.
 

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conversely, as usual there are some really stupid negroes who kept their names in the draft ... i mean, seriously. what are some of these boneheaded morons thinking?!?
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Harangody should run the Big East, i look forward to watching the Irish in the 2009 season! Hopefully they won't fall apart as they did last year.
 

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I also look forward to seeing how Ben Hansbrough(Tyler's brother) does for the Irish next season.
 

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Regarding Calathes playing in Greece: a million bucks a year, a house and a car in a beautiful country? What's there not to like about that? Plus, he's still really young. He'll get more playing time and can develop his game better than in college or sitting on an NBA bench. If he continues to develop and once he fully matures he may bring in huge bucks when he decides to jump to the NBA.
 

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Tyler Hansbrough jumped 34 inches at the Orlando pre-draft Combine. Blake Griffin had a 0.5 inch shorter standing reach and only out jumped Tyler by 1.5 inches. Hansbrough also ran the 3/4 court sprint at almost the exact same time as Griffin- Hansbrough was 0.01 seconds faster. Hansbrough performed better athletically than the majority of the projected 1st round PF prospects. However, despite his amazing college production and athleticism he is slated to be picked at #20 by the top 2 most noted mock drafts.

Chase Budinger jumped 38.5 inches tying Demar Derozan. Chase also ran a faster 3/4 court sprint than Demar. Derozan has been being heralded on message boards and by analysts as the most athletic SG this draft. BTW only 2 other men had a better max vertical than Budinger this year! Despite his eye popping athleticism and dominant game performances this year- neither of the top 2 mock drafts has Budinger slated as a lottery pick.
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Realistic: Good post! At first I was skeptical about Calathes playing in Greece, but you're right that it is a smart move. Hopefully he can set a good example for others in developing then making the leap to the NBA.

TJR: Great post as well. I read alot of the same stuff about Tyler's "surprising" measurements and combine numbers. Scouts were shocked!
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I read they were amazed that he was actually the height he was listed at. I mean seriously, what do these scouts get paid for. All that talk about being undersized and un-athletic was pure B.S. spun by the media to hurt Tyler's draft status. On a positive note, I heard a few teams like NJ and Indiana are re-evaluating Tyler and he could slid into the lottery where he belongs. However, if he doesn't, I'm fine with that because he will end up on a playoff caliber team and will become a huge asset for them.

As for Budinger, in every mock draft I have read he is described purely as a "good shooter". They never mention the guys incredible hops. I've seen a few mocks that had him going to NJ which would be great as he could learn from Vince Carter and eventually replace him as the starter. Most draft however have him going in the 20's
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I am going to do a full break down of Budinger and Hansbrough's statistical season ranks and their athletic measurements. Then I will compare them to other players to get the perfect picture of where they should be drafted before the draft. Thanks for your appreciation of my scouting Freethinker.
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I am a huge fan of white players and I think there will be more of them in the future. That is why I joined this site. Whites are like underdogs and I like rooting for them. The site has been great so far but I have one complaint.

I don't like all the racial insults and slurs against black people/athletes. It is possibe to be a white athlete enthusiast without trashing other races. It is possible to like white athletes and not engage in derogatory name calling of others.
 

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My local paper here in NJ had some analysis of the centers in this years draft. Hasheem Thabeet is projected as the first center to be drafted. The writer stated that "After Thabeet there is a huge drop off in skills." The second best center according to him is BJ Mullens. How is this possible when Mullens is a better athlete than Thabeet? I know he didn't play much this year but still.
 

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DoMan said:
I am a huge fan of white players and I think there will be more of them in the future. That is why I joined this site. Whites are like underdogs and I like rooting for them. The site has been great so far but I have one complaint.

I don't like all the racial insults and slurs against black people/athletes. It is possibe to be a white athlete enthusiast without trashing other races. It is possible to like white athletes and not engage in derogatory name calling of others.

Welcome to the site. I agree with you, but you should remember that this is a message board with varying views. Some are moderates like you and me and some hardliners.

To give you another perspective-If you go on Youtube and look at the Carl Lewis vs. Mike Powell long jump video- some of the comments on that video surpass basically every post ever written here in trashing blacks. But Youtube would never be called a racist site for not censuring itself at all for user comments b/c the theme isn't about race and it is mainstream.

I don't believe in government censorship on the internet in most cases other than a site's self censorship (except in extreme cases- like a site recruiting a movement of violence toward another group/ person, hardcore porn or a site of illegal material like child porn or illegal hardcore drug sites). Since this is the "world" wide web- a site basically only has to adhere to it's nation's national or State/Provincial law.

I would agree though- if you are trying to stop negative stereotyping against whites in sports we shouldn't be going crazy with negative stereotypes of other ethnic groups. Maybe sometimes people just lose their cool with the current state of affairs.

I'm Irish and love Sam McGuffie, but part of cheering for athletes of your race is embracing your race's diversity from other groups. So from time to time- it is warranted that negative opinions of other races will come up.

I stick just to sports myself and the negative and positive attributes of different races in sports (I basically believe the greater differences between groups are cultural and smaller ones genetic. I don't believe any group is bad by nature- just that we have cultural and genetic strengths and weaknesses. The great majority of people believe this- so I guess that makes most of us closet "racists").

It's a sociological fact that the first thing you notice about a person is their outward appearance/ characteristics. Some of the biggest racists IMO are whites who act all self righteous, pro-black and anti-white. I believe they have white guilt due to the fact that they really don't feel comfortable with blacks and also can't deal with the very dark day's of American race relations (Pre Civil War era). Some of these Marxist "journalists" who trash whites and appear to be enamored with blacks are in fact closet racists (ex. Flannery O'Connor's "Everything that Rises Must Converge").

Some "journalists" may be Jews that hate anything white, Christian or Patriarchal and are truly racist against us. Maybe it's because some Jewish "journalists" still haven't forgiven the Hitler era. Maybe they are angry that Christians say that Jesus is the only way to Heaven.
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So anyway Doman- to start off on a lighter subject- when do you think Hansbrough, Budinger and Mullens should be drafted if fair? Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
 

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whiteathlete33 said:
My local paper here in NJ had some analysis of the centers in this years draft. Hasheem Thabeet is projected as the first center to be drafted. The writer stated that "After Thabeet there is a huge drop off in skills." The second best center according to him is BJ Mullens. How is this possible when Mullens is a better athlete than Thabeet? I know he didn't play much this year but still.

I think Mullens is one guy where the term "raw" is warranted. He's one of the few whites I've heard given that term and you never hear it for white guards. He is extremely long, but still had a very solid 32.5 inch vertical and very impressive 11.1 second lane agility drill for a Center if I'm not mistaken. He should have returned to college to work on his game more and reach his vast potential.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
 

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ToughJ.Riggins said:
whiteathlete33 said:
My local paper here in NJ had some analysis of the centers in this years draft. Hasheem Thabeet is projected as the first center to be drafted. The writer stated that "After Thabeet there is a huge drop off in skills." The second best center according to him is BJ Mullens. How is this possible when Mullens is a better athlete than Thabeet? I know he didn't play much this year but still.

I think Mullens is one guy where the term "raw" is warranted. He's one of the few whites I've heard given that term and you never hear it for white guards. He is extremely long, but still had a very solid 32.5 inch vertical and very impressive 11.1 second lane agility drill for a Center if I'm not mistaken. He should have returned to college to work on his game more and reach his vast potential.

You might be correct on that ToughJ. A year ago every draft site had Mullens going first. Now he may not even be a lottery pick.
 

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whiteathlete33 said:
ToughJ.Riggins said:
whiteathlete33 said:
My local paper here in NJ had some analysis of the centers in this years draft. Hasheem Thabeet is projected as the first center to be drafted. The writer stated that "After Thabeet there is a huge drop off in skills." The second best center according to him is BJ Mullens. How is this possible when Mullens is a better athlete than Thabeet? I know he didn't play much this year but still.

I think Mullens is one guy where the term "raw" is warranted. He's one of the few whites I've heard given that term and you never hear it for white guards. He is extremely long, but still had a very solid 32.5 inch vertical and very impressive 11.1 second lane agility drill for a Center if I'm not mistaken. He should have returned to college to work on his game more and reach his vast potential.

You might be correct on that ToughJ. A year ago every draft site had Mullens going first. Now he may not even be a lottery pick.

Yea he had a poor season at Ohio St that certainly wasn't helped by the lack of playing time. I originally ripped Mullens for leaving early and not improving his stock. I recently read that the reason he's leaving early is his family needs the money so I can't knock him for that.
 

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NBA draftnet has Hansbrough being taken at the number 11 spot goin to the Nets, which is a definite improvement from where they had him before. They also have Josh Heytvelt moving into the first round. Two guys that i like a lot but dont think will get drafted are Ben Woodside and Micah Downs. Hopefully they can catch on somewhere!
 

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There is a mock draft that I saw recently that had BJ Mullens going to the Mavs with their first pick.
 
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