My take on this site

[Black Guy]

You can tell from my forumname I am not a white person. I dont know if there are any non white persons on this forum so I assume I am the first.


First off the claim that their is some organized plan tokeep white atheletes out of the NFL is ridiculous. Look at the CB and WR positions for example. I live down south and SEC football is very big and let me tell you I have never really seen any white people playing WR or CB in the SEC save for a few exceptions. That is not the fault of the NFL or the black players in the NFL. Your beef is with the colleges that recruit the athletes not with the NFL or with black athletes.


It is a well known fact the white people tend to gravitate towards the "money sports" like Golf,Tennis,Hockey,Swimming etc etc. Sports where you have to pay money to either learn them or buy expensive equipment. Black people play sports like basketball and football because they areinexpensive and the equipment is supplied for them in case of football pads and the like. White kids are not really playing football with the expectation of making the NFL like black kids are these days.


Another common theme on this site is the fact that people claim that white athletes dont get the credit they deserve in the NFL. I have seen that theme on several posts. That is lie.


-Mike Alsott is acknowledged as being better than any black FB in the NFL


-The Colts didnt resign Marcus Pollard so they could start Dallas Clark because he is acknowledged as being faster and more talented than Pollard.


-Chad Akers the Eagles TE is seen as a major contributor to McNabbs success and one of the best TE in football. He caught the TD pass that sealed Phillys win over Atlanta in the NFC Title game.


-John Lynch is known as the best safety in the entireNFL


-Keith Brooking is known as one of the bestMLB in the game.


-BrianUrlacherand Zach Thomas are known being awesome LBs. I could go on and with white players being acknowledged as the being awesome in the NFL.


This is a list of NFL MVPs since 1987 and as you can see out of the 17 awards since then white players have won 13 times. So where is the conspiracy to give black athletes the credit at the expense of whites. If anything its looks like they are trying to give white players more than their fair share of credit. Since Peyton Manning won this year thats 14 out of 18 years. Your claims are on some shaky ground. According to what this site says black people should have won the MVP every year due to bias against white athletes.



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Marshall Faulk</TD>
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St. Louis Rams</TD>
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1999</TD>
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Kurt Warner</TD>
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1998</TD>
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Terrell Davis</TD>
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Barry Sanders</TD>
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Brett Favre</TD>
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Brett Favre</TD>
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Steve Young</TD>
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Emmitt Smith</TD>
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Steve Young</TD>
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Joe Montana</TD>
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Joe Montana</TD>
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If a white player is good he gets his fair share of credit plain and simple. The reason so many players in the NFL are black is because whites are not playingfootball as much and it has been proven black people excel at the physical aspect of football(speed,elusiveness,strength). You complain about the lack of white RBs but show me one white RB that cando what Barry Sanders did or could run like Gayle Sayers could. Also did you know RB has the shortest career span of any position in the NFL. That means teams shuffle RBs in and out all the time. There may be a few white people that could play RB but they are not available like black RB's are. Teams change RB's all the timethere are more Black RB's available to be chosen. The NFL scouts will tell you this themselves.


Fabian Washington the CB from Nebraska can run the 40 yd dash in 4.25 seconds. Show me one white CB in the NCAA that can run that fast. Not even Matt Jones ran that fast andhe is acknowledged as one of the fastest white players of all time. Its has been proven black people have better skills to play those positions.


I will prove that with one simple example: Matt Jones is considered the great white hope because of his high vertical leap,running ability, and his 4.38 40Yd dash time. A 4.38 40 is a regular thing for black players to achieve. So much so that nobody even makes a big deal when a black player like Washington run a 4.2 40. That proves that black people have already been proven to be faster and quicker than white players so much so that when Matt Jones runs a 4.38 everyone goes "WOW look at the fast white kid". That proves mostwhite people dont have the speed neccesary to compete with black people in the NFL who can run the 40 in 4.2.


I am a intelligent person that enjoys civilized discussions on subjects like this and I hope the members of this forum are civilized as well. Some of the assertions made by people here are so off base as to what is really going on in the NFL and sports in general.

 

[bigunreal]

I think most everyone will welcome you here. However, you need to read
more of the posts (and the NFL archives) on this site. First of all, no
one blames the black athletes for the discrimination white players
face. With very few exceptions, our problem is with the white coaches
at all levels of organized sports, the corrupt recruiting process of
the major NCAA programs (run by whites almost exclusively) and the
owners and general managers of all NFL teams. The "talking heads" in
the media, who are mostly white, are also taken to task regularly on
this site for their unequal treatment of white players. If anything,
I've pointed out here on a few posts that most black NFL coaches seem
to actually treat white players more fairly than their white
counterparts. Certainly, no black coach has been produced who hated
white players more than a Jimmy Johnson, for example. Tony Dungy is a
pretty good example of this.



Your comments about the differences between black and white players
reveal that you buy into the racist stereotype that blacks are somehow
inherently faster and able to play football better than whites. If you
read the archives, you will find several examples of great white high
school RBs who were not even recruited by any of the top NCAA football
programs, despite having the same "measurables" (size, speed, high
school production) as black RBs who were coveted by numerous top
football programs. Take Rob Konrad, for example. He was the state
high school athlete of the year in high school, and unlike other whites
like him, was actually recruited by Syracuse, a pretty strong football
power. However, once there, he was consigned to the "white" position of
fullback, and didn't get many carries. Despite having 4.4. speed and
weighing over 250 pounds, he wasn't drafted until the mid-2nd round by
Miami, where white-hating Jimmy Johnson instantly converted him into
his new Moose Johnston. You can't tell me that any black RB who ran a
4.4. and weighed 250 pounds would be treated that way. Ever. In most
drafts, a running back that big and fast would be the first pick
overall. There are other examples of white RBs not being given a fair
chance in the NFL; Tommy Vardell, Luke Staley, Sean Bennett, Brock
Forsey and Brad Hoover are great examples in recent years. Look
at Jesse Lumsden this year; a 225 lb. RB who runs a 4.4 (same size and
speed as top RB draft pick Ronnie Brown), yet he isn't drafted at all?
At the same time, an incredibly slow, character challenged problem
child who hasn't played in two years like Maurice Clarett is taken in
the 3rd round and garners more attention than any other player picked.
Sorry, but there is no other explanation for that kind of stuff. If all
these NFL clubs were looking at was talent and fielding the best
football team, then no one would touch a slow, plodding troublemaker
like Clarett, while ignoring a big, fast, productive RB like Lumsden.



As for Matt Jones, what is incredible about him is not his speed, it's
his size/speed combo. Name any player who has ever played in the NFL
who was that big (6'6-245) and that fast (4.37). Understand, he is
almost as fast as the hallowed Mike/Michael Vick, and almost as big as
Daunte Culpepper. That combination ought to have every pro football
scout salivating. He should have clearly been the #1 overall pick, and
no team should have wanted to necessarily convert him from QB.

 

[foreverfree]

Chad Akers the Eagles TE is seen as a major contributor to McNabbs success and one of the best TE in football. He caught the TD pass that sealed Phillys win over Atlanta in the NFC Title game.

I think his name is Chad Lewis. OTOH David Akers is the Eagles' placekicker.

As for you being CF's first black poster, I seem to recall seeing one or two other self-described black posters on this site. But I may be wrong.

Anyway, welcome to Caste Football.

John
(a white guy

)

 

[white lightning]

Let me make a few quick comments.First off,we don't just
blame the nfl for the lack of white players at certain
positions.If you go back and read articles & posts on
this site,you will see that kids are slotted as early
as Pop Warner Football on a regualar basis.It starts as
kids and continues into their adult life.
Second,40 yard dash times are always to be taken with
a grain of salt.There are many white sprinters who can
run around a flat 4.0 in the 40.Most of the football
times are not to exact anyway.If you want to look at
this year,what about Suter,Sheldon,Lyman,Leonhard,Fox,
and others that ran and jumped out of the gym.As Big
unreal said,it is Matt Jones size/speed combo which
makes him a double threat & very rare for any ethnicity.
As for blacks dominating whites in certain sports,why
is it that even with the clear discrimination going on
in the 3 major sports,football,basketall,and baseball,
we are making major strides.Let's take a quick look.A
white guy led MLB in steals/S.Podsenik & currently this
year,2 out of 3 are leading again.In basketball,the
college player of the year was a sophmore out of Utah
by the name of Andrew Bogut.He is a beast.Who finished
2nd you ask,JJ Reddick of Duke,another white guy.Let's
move on to football.Drew Bennett & Brandon Stokley both
went over 1000 yards receiving.Bennett just about led
the nfl in receiving.Kevin Curtis led the Rams over the
last part of the season & into the playoffs.Curtis is
the fastest player/receiver on the Rams.That is saying
something.Even with limited opportunities,whites are
making some strides.
In college football you had 3 out of the top 6 wide
receivers who where white nation wide.Guess what,they
probably will struggle to get drafted or play much.
Whites can't be running backs?Chance Kretschmer led the
nation in rushing yards his freshman year with over 1700
yards!He ran for over 1000 3 of his 4 years there!He
wasn't drafted at all but M.Clarrett was!Screw that.Luke
Staley won the Doak Walker award 3 years ago as the
nations best college running back.He wasn't drafted until
the final round and was cut without a fair chance.Why
is this happening?Why don't these kids get a chance?
There are many reasons.We are not blaming you black
man.We know there are many factors including myths and
discrimination.We simply point out the truth of what is
going on.Whites can't run.Dusty Stamer is the Big 12's
Fastest Sprinter Indoors and the 2nd fastest in the
usa.He used to be a running back but they never played
him.If you don't believe it,check it out.If you don't
know,now you know!!

 

[Black Guy]

I think most everyone will welcome you here. However, you need to read more of the posts (and the NFL archives) on this site. First of all, no one blames the black athletes for the discrimination white players face. With very few exceptions, our problem is with the white coaches at all levels of organized sports, the corrupt recruiting process of the major NCAA programs (run by whites almost exclusively) and the owners and general managers of all NFL teams. The "talking heads" in the media, who are mostly white, are also taken to task regularly on this site for their unequal treatment of white players. If anything, I've pointed out here on a few posts that most black NFL coaches seem to actually treat white players more fairly than their white counterparts. Certainly, no black coach has been produced who hated white players more than a Jimmy Johnson, for example. Tony Dungy is a pretty good example of this.

Your comments about the differences between black and white players reveal that you buy into the racist stereotype that blacks are somehow inherently faster and able to play football better than whites. If you read the archives, you will find several examples of great white high school RBs who were not even recruited by any of the top NCAA football programs, despite having the same "measurables" (size, speed, high school production) as black RBs who were coveted by numerous top football programs. Take Rob Konrad, for example. He was the state high school athlete of the year in high school, and unlike other whites like him, was actually recruited by Syracuse, a pretty strong football power. However, once there, he was consigned to the "white" position of fullback, and didn't get many carries. Despite having 4.4. speed and weighing over 250 pounds, he wasn't drafted until the mid-2nd round by Miami, where white-hating Jimmy Johnson instantly converted him into his new Moose Johnston. You can't tell me that any black RB who ran a 4.4. and weighed 250 pounds would be treated that way. Ever. In most drafts, a running back that big and fast would be the first pick overall. There are other examples of white RBs not being given a fair chance in the NFL; Tommy Vardell, Luke Staley, Sean Bennett, Brock Forsey and Brad Hoover are great examples in recent years. Look at Jesse Lumsden this year; a 225 lb. RB who runs a 4.4 (same size and speed as top RB draft pick Ronnie Brown), yet he isn't drafted at all? At the same time, an incredibly slow, character challenged problem child who hasn't played in two years like Maurice Clarett is taken in the 3rd round and garners more attention than any other player picked. Sorry, but there is no other explanation for that kind of stuff. If all these NFL clubs were looking at was talent and fielding the best football team, then no one would touch a slow, plodding troublemaker like Clarett, while ignoring a big, fast, productive RB like Lumsden.

As for Matt Jones, what is incredible about him is not his speed, it's his size/speed combo. Name any player who has ever played in the NFL who was that big (6'6-245) and that fast (4.37). Understand, he is almost as fast as the hallowed Mike/Michael Vick, and almost as big as Daunte Culpepper. That combination ought to have every pro football scout salivating. He should have clearly been the #1 overall pick, and no team should have wanted to necessarily convert him from QB.

I will answer the Matt Jones question first. The reason why he was converted to a WR is because he knew that was his best chance to play in the NFL was at QB. He doesnt have the arm strength to be a NFL QB. He also has abad shoulder that prevents him from doing any excess throwing. You can find this out on the Jaguars.com message board from all the Arkansas fans that are supporting Matt. Even the people that are glad the Jags have him because he is a good whiteathlete know he doesnt have the capability to be a pro QB.In fact jones willfully made the conversion to WR because he knew that was his best chance.


The Clarett thing can be answered by the fact he got so much publicity from Ohio State winning the National Title. Yeah he is slow and probaly shouldnt have gotten drafted but it wasnt because he was black. He had simply too much press coverage,everyone knew about him. Just like everyone knew about Matt Jones at Arkansas.


I will answer the White RB question with this. Even with the speed that the black RB's have 90% of them dont make it in the NFL for very long. So if the numbers of white RB's are even less then it will seem like they are all getting the shaft when its just how the law of averages works out in the NFL. RB's dont have long careers anyways. They are gone in a flash. I remember Tommy Vardell he got drafted by the Browns If I am not mistaken. The NFL is atough league to make it in for anyone,you cant expect someone white who is good to get a automatic pass and become a superstar. It doesnt happen like that.


Also I will say you are right in the fact that if a white RB is qualified to be drafted he should be given a fair chance and not ignored. But if the vast majority of RB in the NCAA are black then it will be hard for that to happen. Which goes back to the issues of college recruiting. My point is that even if every qualified white kid that could play RB got a college scholarship there would still be a big disaparity between the number of black and white RB's in the NCAA. White kids just dont play that position nowadays.

 

[Black Guy]

Let me make a few quick comments.First off,we don't just
blame the nfl for the lack of white players at certain
positions.If you go back and read articles &amp; posts on
this site,you will see that kids are slotted as early
as Pop Warner Football on a regualar basis.It starts as
kids and continues into their adult life.
Second,40 yard dash times are always to be taken with
a grain of salt.There are many white sprinters who can
run around a flat 4.0 in the 40.Most of the football
times are not to exact anyway.If you want to look at
this year,what about Suter,Sheldon,Lyman,Leonhard,Fox,
and others that ran and jumped out of the gym.As Big
unreal said,it is Matt Jones size/speed combo which
makes him a double threat &amp; very rare for any ethnicity.
As for blacks dominating whites in certain sports,why
is it that even with the clear discrimination going on
in the 3 major sports,football,basketall,and baseball,
we are making major strides.Let's take a quick look.A
white guy led MLB in steals/S.Podsenik &amp; currently this
year,2 out of 3 are leading again.In basketball,the
college player of the year was a sophmore out of Utah
by the name of Andrew Bogut.He is a beast.Who finished
2nd you ask,JJ Reddick of Duke,another white guy.Let's
move on to football.Drew Bennett &amp; Brandon Stokley both
went over 1000 yards receiving.Bennett just about led
the nfl in receiving.Kevin Curtis led the Rams over the
last part of the season &amp; into the playoffs.Curtis is
the fastest player/receiver on the Rams.That is saying
something.Even with limited opportunities,whites are
making some strides.
In college football you had 3 out of the top 6 wide
receivers who where white nation wide.Guess what,they
probably will struggle to get drafted or play much.
Whites can't be running backs?Chance Kretschmer led the
nation in rushing yards his freshman year with over 1700
yards!He ran for over 1000 3 of his 4 years there!He
wasn't drafted at all but M.Clarrett was!Screw that.Luke
Staley won the Doak Walker award 3 years ago as the
nations best college running back.He wasn't drafted until
the final round and was cut without a fair chance.Why
is this happening?Why don't these kids get a chance?
There are many reasons.We are not blaming you black
man.We know there are many factors including myths and
discrimination.We simply point out the truth of what is
going on.Whites can't run.Dusty Stamer is the Big 12's
Fastest Sprinter Indoors and the 2nd fastest in the
usa.He used to be a running back but they never played
him.If you don't believe it,check it out.If you don't
know,now you know!!

This iswhat you dont understand. For every Dusty Stamer there are plenty of black players that are as fast as him or nearly as fast. Most white people just dont have that kind of speed,that is a fact. Also I never said that all whitepeoplecould not play in the NFL. You seem to miss the part where I showed you how there are plenty of awesome white players and that white players win the MVP every year so that means someone MUST BE LOOKING TO DRAFT GOOD WHITE KIDS IF GOOD WHITE PLAYERS KEEP WINNING THE MVP EVERY YEAR.


I never said white people were not good in sports. Reddick and the rest deserve the credit they get no doubt but white people have yet to produce any players like Micheal Jordan,Magic Johnson, Isiah Thomas etc etc. Most of your good white players make it to the NBA and flame out because it is too high a level of competiton for them.


The reason why people like Stamer are so visible in your minds is because most white people cannot run like that. Fabian Washington ran a 4.2 40 but no one black tries to put him on a pedestal because its COMMONPLACE for black people to be that fast.


I will say this your 100% correct white players that are getting the shaft should be given a fair chance to play professional sports. You are right on that point.

 

[Don Wassall]

You have quite a lengthy post, but you would be better served by getting more of a feel for what Caste Football is about. Bigunreal and White Lightning made a lot of great points, and I'll add some more.


"First off the claim that their is some organized plan tokeep white atheletes out of the NFL is ridiculous. Look at the CB and WR positions for example. I live down south and SEC football is very big and let me tell you I have never really seen any white people playing WR or CB in the SEC save for a few exceptions. That is not the fault of the NFL or the black players in the NFL. Your beef is with the colleges that recruit the athletes not with the NFL or with black athletes."


Mostly that's correct -- our beef is with the college recruiters, along with the process that begins at the Pop Warner level of slotting whites away from many positions, a process that is reinforced by media stereotypes. However, the process gets worse at every level, with the NFL taking those few whites who play CB at the I-A level and making them safeties, taking the few white tailbacks and bulking them up into blocking fullbacks, etc.


"It is a well known fact the white people tend to gravitate towards the "money sports" like Golf,Tennis,Hockey,Swimming etc etc. Sports where you have to pay money to either learn them or buy expensive equipment. Black people play sports like basketball and football because they areinexpensive and the equipment is supplied for them in case of football pads and the like. White kids are not really playing football with the expectation of making the NFL like black kids are these days."


First of all, considering that only 600 or so blacks play in the NFL, if black kids are playing football with the intention of "making the NFL" that's woefully misguided. The NFL is about 35 percent white, so almost as many whites make the NFL as blacks in spite of the shutting out of whites at most positions that don't involve kicking, blocking and throwing.


Most blacks in the United States are middle class. Are you saying that all black kids only play basketball and football and no other sports because none can afford equipment for other sports? Most whites play a variety of sports, usually because they like them first and foremost; I would imagine that's true of many black kids as well. Where exactly are the black middle class hockey players, golfers, tennis players, swimmers, etc.? If blacks are such naturally superior football players, why the near total absence of them in virtually all other sports besides football, basketball and sprinting?


Mike Alstott gets credit as a fullback. Thing is, Alstott was Purdue's all-time leading ball carrier. He came into the NFL weighing about 245 pounds, with 4.55 speed and very good running skills. He is incredibly strong and would have worn down many a defense late in games if used as the primary ball carrier. Alstott should have been a featured runner, and would have at any time in NFL history before the mid-1980s.


Chad Lewis is really reaching. He is near the end of his career and there are many better TEs, both white and black. Ditto Marcus Pollard. Of course the best white players are acknowledged. The question is, why are there so few of them? As far as MVP, all those white players are quarterbacks. Who was the last white player to garner serious MVP consideration who wasn't a quarterback?


"If a white player is good he gets his fair share of credit plain and simple. The reason so many players in the NFL are black is because whites are not playingfootball as much and it has been proven black people excel at the physical aspect of football(speed,elusiveness,strength). You complain about the lack of white RBs but show me one white RB that cando what Barry Sanders did or could run like Gayle Sayers could. Also did you know RB has the shortest career span of any position in the NFL. That means teams shuffle RBs in and out all the time. There may be a few white people that could play RB but they are not available like black RB's are. Teams change RB's all the timethere are more Black RB's available to be chosen. The NFL scouts will tell you this themselves. "


Where do you come up with "whites are not playing football as much"? Wrong. Football is virtually a religion in this country, and it is not just blacks who like to play the sport. Whites have always loved to play football and still do. There are roughly seven times as many white males as black males in America, which means the pool of football players has a much larger number of whites than blacks.


Are you saying that out of all the white football players, there is not a single one, year after year, decade after decade, good enough to play tailback in the NFL? Not a Barry Sanders or Gayle Sayers, but good enough to play the position?The NFL was racially integrated on a largescale basis in the 1960s, '70s and '80s, and until the early '80s there were plenty of white cornerbacks, running backs and wide receivers, but beginning 20 years ago they became extinct with the very rare exception. Now it is just accepted by the media and football recruiters that it is perfectly natural that generations go by without any whites capable of playing certain positions. To believe that is to believe in a form of black athletic superiority on a scale that is incomprehensible.


Suburban white high schools generally defeat urban black high schools in football in most metro areas. In those same metro areas, the best running backs, receivers and cornerbacks are both white and black. Yet only thestar blacks atRB, WR and CB go on to be recruited and given scholarships by I-A programs. Ditto many white defensive players in general. The white stars at those positions have to play for small programs (thus eliminating any chance they have of playing in the NFL), or try to walk on at a I-A school, or accept a scholarship from a I-A school to play a "white" position, ie tailbacks become fullbacks and linebackers, etc.


Check out the article on our homepage about the four star white high school running backs in Tennessee, none of whom were recruited by any I-A schools. Fred Bacco, the best high school running back in Western Pennsylvania in 2003, was told flat out by recruiters that he was the wrong color to run the ball. Tre Smith of Auburn has said the same thing. That is the norm for white high school running backs, it is only unusual when a newspaper will actually print the truth.


"I will prove that with one simple example: Matt Jones is considered the great white hope because of his high vertical leap,running ability, and his 4.38 40Yd dash time. A 4.38 40 is a regular thing for black players to achieve. So much so that nobody even makes a big deal when a black player like Washington run a 4.2 40. That proves that black people have already been proven to be faster and quicker than white players so much so that when Matt Jones runs a 4.38 everyone goes "WOW look at the fast white kid". That proves mostwhite people dont have the speed neccesary to compete with black people in the NFL who can run the 40 in 4.2."


You are so far off here it isn't even funny! The average 40 time for the WRs at this year's Combine was 4.55. That is for the cream of the crop of black wide receivers. A 4.38 is nowhere near the black average at any position, and never has been. Were you watching the Draft this past weekend, when one black WR, RB and D-back after another was selected who was small and ran a 4.55 or slower? But fortunately, being black, their lack of topflight physical measurables time and time again is somehow compensated for by "amazing athletcism" that whites with similar or better measurables never have.


And again, even if blacks are faster on average than whites, you havemany timesmore whites playing the sportthan blacks. There are plenty of fast whites out there. We post on them here regularly.The near complete shut-out of whites at certain positions is artificial.


If Matt Jones was black, he would have received the same kind of hype Michael Vick does, except a lot more. It would be -- here comes the prototype NFL quarterback of the 21st century, a combination of Duante Culpepper's size and Michael Vicks's speed and running ability. He would have been the unanimously acclaimed number one overall pick of the draft -- as a quarterback -- and the Nike commercials featuring Matt would already be airing.








Edited by: Don Wassall

 

[Black Guy]

Don-


The Arkansas fans themselves can tell you Matt sucks as a QB. He has a suspect shoulder and lacks arm strength to be a QB. Some of the posters on the jaguars site are Razorbacks fans who can tell you that Matt doesnt have a chance in hell of being a good NFL QB. You are way off base with that one. They will also tell you Matt has lot of work to do as a reciever if he wants to make it in the NFL. Which goes back to what I was saying. Matt maybe fast and big but he lacks the skills that culpepper has,white people just dont have that ability on the same scale. For example Mick Vick has well documented problems with his passing accuracy but his arm is a CANNON. Matt Jones doesnt even have that,he has to lob the ball when throws it deep.

 

[Bart]

I was in the process of writing a reply to 'Black Guy' but you guys said it better than I would have. A couple observations.


BG wrote: It is a well known fact the white people tend to gravitate towards the "money sports" like Golf,Tennis,Hockey,Swimming etc etc. Sports where you have to pay money to either learn them or buy expensive equipment. Black people play sports like basketball and football because they areinexpensive and the equipment is supplied for them in case of football pads and the like


Not true. Except for the very few elite players, golfers and tennis players don'tearn anywherenear the amount of money as football, basketball and baseball players. Swimmers have got to be at the lowest end of the earnings spectrum. Does anyone think Olympic medalists make big money? If a kid can buy sneakers worth hundreds of dollars hecan afford a tennis racquet and easily find a public court to play on. I used to swim in high school and public pools and lakes, how much does a pair of trunks set you back? Some say, the reason blacks don't swim well is they have a lower level of body fat. The differences in body fat ratio's between white and black swimmers is virtually non-existent. I've seen many grossly fat blacks who could not swim at all.


The NFL is filled with corner backs who can't tackle and aren't very good at pass coverage. And yet we can't find one, two or three white kids to play those positions? No way!

 

[Black Guy]

Don-


I do get what this site is about. Some of the posters DO have aattitude of blaming and ridiculing black atheletes. I even saw a picture lampooning Micheal Vick and making fun him. That is outright hatred right there. That may not be the stance you take but that is what I get from some of the members.


Edited by: Black Guy

 

[Don Wassall]

I've seen black sites that are just seething with genuine hatred toward whites. And I've seen plenty of discussion boards on sports sites where ridiculing of white athletes is commonplace by (presumably mostly) white fans.


Most of our criticism and ridiculing is aimed at whites -- sportscasters, recruiters, coaches, pundits and self-described experts of various kinds. Thereare some anti-black sentiments expressed at times but it is not done with slurs. To me that is no different than the anti-white sentiments.That's themain problem when it comes to race in America --just about alldiscussions about race are bogus becauseof all the taboos and double standards that exist.Hey, blacks and individual blacksdo deserve to be criticized and made fun of at times.

 

[bigunreal]

Black Guy-



Until the mid-80s or so, it was just as hard for a black to play QB in
the NFL as it is for a white to play RB or CB now. Of course, that was
wrong, and it was based on the same ignorant stereotyping. In that
case, black college QBs were always switched to WR or RB or DB, and
everyone knew the unspoken reasoning was that they weren't "smart"
enough to play QB. For the same reason, there were no black middle
linebackers for a long time, because they were considered the
quarterbacks of the defense. You know as well as we do that Michael
Vick was a really raw project, as far as being a polished QB goes, when
he was drafted. The same could be said about Matt Jones. It doesn't
surprise me that Arkansas fans don't think he can play; if you read the
posts on the site, you should know that some of our harshest criticism
is reserved for the way white fans treat white players. White fans will
boo white players more readily, and have less patience with them. They
will also just automatically expect them to be unable to play positions
they aren't accustomed to seeing them playing and, as in Jones' case,
they will point out alleged flaws and not highlight the "athleticism"
that they tout so often in black athletes who struggle with throwing or
catching the ball.

 

[Guest]

I welcome you to the board (black guy) and i hope you stick around. I Don't agree with some of your points but at least you are sticking around to debate us and not engaging in hit and run tactics like other black guys who have stumbled on to this site. As far as any anti- black slurs being on this site, they are few and far between and do not represent the majority viewpoints on this site.There are over 100 million white men in this country and do you really believe that not one of them could be a fast speedy 1500 yard rusher in the nfl? I hope you stick around and research the various posts because I think it will open your eyes to alot of things you probably have never noticed before.

 

[Don Wassall]

If you want to see how well white men and women did in sprinting and jumping at the 2004 Olympics, read this link: http://www.castefootball.us/viewarticle.asp?sportID=14&amp;t eamID=0&amp;ID=22421


There is currently a large infusion of European talent taking place in heavyweight boxing, basketball, and track &amp; field. American whites are lagging behind. Why? What could be more indicative of the absurd dimensions the athletic caste system has taken on in America than the case of Jeremy Wariner. Here was a kid who was a state sprinting champion and all-state wide receiver in Texas in high school yet couldn't get a I-A football scholarship anywhere, including from Baylor, where he ended up going to run track. He is a decent bet to break Michael Johnson's record in the 200 meters, yet because of his race and the stereotypes that go with it, he was completely shut out of the elite level of college football.


Dusty Stamer is another. He not only has world class speed, he had been a star tailback all his life, up to and including when he played for South Dakota. But when he transferred to Nebraska he hit a roadblock and finally quit the Cornhuskers football team because they wouldn't give him an opportunity to run the ball.


Here's Dusty. I don't know about you butfor some reason I have this sneaking suspicion thathe might have been able to help Nebraska do a little better than they have the past couple of seasons:

White American kids face slotting, stereotypes and even psychological warfare against them when it comes to certain sports and positions within certain sports. I think just about everyone who posts here will concede that the average black is faster than the average white, but we're talking about averages here. There aremany morewhitesthan blacks in this country; the idea that virtually none of thewhite kids -- for decades on end -- who playWR, RB and CBat a star level in high school can continue to develop and be at least a starterin I-A college and the NFL defies all logic and common sense, especially so because whites are competitive in every sport in the world and dominant at most. It's analogous to saying that if the average black scores lower than the average white on an aptitude test measuring, say, the ability to be a doctor, then not a single black in the entire United States is capable of being a doctor. Even at the height of segregation and institutionalized anti-black racism in this country there were still black doctors, business owners, writers, etc. The caste system in sports is based onan extreme and fallacioustheory of total racial superiority that rarely allows even for an occasional token exception.Edited by: Don Wassall

 

[GreatLakeState]

" ... white people have yet to produce any players like Micheal
Jordan,Magic Johnson, Isiah Thomas etc etc. Most of your
good white players make it to the NBA and flame out because it
is too high a level of competiton for them."

By the numbers, most black players flame out in the NBA, too,
"because it is too high a level of competition for them."

And black people have yet to produce any players like Larry
Bird, Bob Pettit (who Bill Russell put on his "all-time starting
five", not 30 years ago, but about five years ago) and John
Stockton.

 

[Black Guy]

I welcome you to the board (black guy) and i hope you stick around. I Don't agree with some of your points but at least you are sticking around to debate us and not engaging in hit and run tactics like other black guys who have stumbled on to this site. As far as any anti- black slurs being on this site, they are few and far between and do not represent the majority viewpoints on this site.There are over 100 million white men in this country and do you really believe that not one of them could be a fast speedy 1500 yard rusher in the nfl? I hope you stick around and research the various posts because I think it will open your eyes to alot of things you probably have never noticed before.

I do plan on sticking around this is a good place for dialouge on subjects people dont usually talk about openly.

 

[Kaptain]

Matt Jones has 8 inches on Fabian Washington. It would be a mismatch if they line-up against each other.4.37 at that height is freakish for a person of any color. People on the this site want whites to have equal consideration for the forbidden positions in the NFL and all other sports. Black posters who stumble on this site are appalled that we demand that white athletes be treated equally and that we don't believe the white athlete is inferior. Somehow a drive for equaIity is seen as racists. Ifind that rather comical. If you look at the 40 times of white nfl prospects for the forbidden positions of wr, rb, and cb, you'll find that they are almost all above the average speed for their position. When was the last time a white player was drafted with only 4.65 speed? Or worse yet 4.75 speed - clarett type of speed.

 

[Black Guy]

White American kids face slotting, stereotypes and even psychological warfare against them when it comes to certain sports and positions within certain sports. I think just about everyone who posts here will concede that the average black is faster than the average white, but we're talking about averages here. There aremany morewhitesthan blacks in this country; the idea that virtually none of thewhite kids -- for decades on end -- who playWR, RB and CBat a star level in high school can continue to develop and be at least a starterin I-A college and the NFL defies all logic and common sense, especially so because whites are competitive in every sport in the world and dominant at most.

One thing you must remember about things is that even though white people are dominant in a lot of sports some of them are sports that only white people play and black people arent interested in.


A list of some of them are: skiing,hockey,lacrosse,volleyball,badminton,baseball,swimmin g,fencing,tennis,handball,rowing,sailing,canoeing,cycling,ar chery,etc etc. Not to mention Golf.


Whites are dominant in those sports because they are the only ones who want to play them. Some of them are just more culturally suited for white people so non whites dont play them that much. That explains why white people dominate and win all the olympic medals and world titles in all those events. But in the sports where black people flock to like Basketball and Football black people have clearly dominanted those arenas hands down. I think it is just a matter of certain people being able to do things better than others. For example I dont think you will ever see black people dominate cycling. Not because Black people cant ride a bike but because most black people have no interest in that type of thing. You seem to think the large number of white males in this country should automatically guarantee them dominance in the NFL but that just isnt the case. You still have to perform on the field and black people have outperformed white people on the gridiron hands down. Now that doesnt mean you wont have exceptionally talented white kids like Stamer because there are always exceptions to the rule and he is one of them. It is sad that he got shafted by Nebraska like that. Things like that shouldnt happen and you are right it is wrong. He should have been given a chance to run the ball.


Another example is that when you can look at some pics of Barry Sanders or Emmitt Smith look at how powerfully built they are. They bothhave extremely strong legs that predominate on thier physiques. You just dont see white kids built like that. Yeah a white kid may be fast as hell but he doesnt have the body type to stand up to the rigors of the NFL. Sanders and Smith are two powerfully built men and I have yet to see a white RB with a physique like that. Quite franklyI think this is what the scouts are seeing when they compare black and white RBs. They may say yeah this white kid is fast but they see a black RB who is fast and built like a tank.


I agree with your slotting comment too. That does happen to white kids a lot,no doubt about that.


I will look on that link and see whats on it.

 

[JD074]

First off the claim that their is some organized plan to keep
white atheletes out of the NFL is ridiculous.

I agree. Nevertheless, there's no question that a white football
player's skin color affects his collegiate and/or professional
career. I can only assume that when most coaches, scouts,
GM's, owners, fans, and the media look at a white running
back or cornerback, they simply assume that he's not going to
be athletic enough. It's not a conspiracy, but it's still wrong.

Brian Urlacher and Zach Thomas are known being awesome
LBs.

Actually Urlacher is considered by many people in the media as
the most overrated athlete in the NFL. Thomas, Alstott, and
Lynch have also made Most Overrated lists.

This is a list of NFL MVPs since 1987 and as you can see out
of the 17 awards since then white players have won 13
times.

As quarterbacks. We're mainly talking about the positions
outside of quarterback, O-line, and kicker/ punter, especially
RB and CB.

If a white player is good he gets his fair share of credit plain
and simple.

But what if he never gets a chance to show how good he is?

You complain about the lack of white RBs but show me one
white RB that can do what Barry Sanders did or could run like
Gayle Sayers could.

Number one, how many blacks are as athletic as them?
Number two, you can still be productive without that degree of
athleticism. Just ask Emmitt Smith or Jerome Bettis.

Fabian Washington the CB from Nebraska can run the 40 yd
dash in 4.25 seconds. Show me one white CB in the NCAA that
can run that fast. Not even Matt Jones ran that fast and he is
acknowledged as one of the fastest white players of all time.

All the blacks at the Combine that ran faster 40's than Jones,
that I noticed, were also around half a foot shorter, and
weighed around 40-50 pounds less.

A 4.38 40 is a regular thing for black players to achieve.

Not at this year's Combine. And not at 6-6 240.

 

[psychosid]

i must say black guy...you seen to be a very reasonable and intellignet man...so i will just ask you this....name me one black football player who is over 240lbs....that runs a 4.37 40 and has a 42 inch vertical...like matt jones has....he is not out there....matt jones is going to be the white randy moss...and what about jason sehorn...in his prime he was an athletic freak also....

 

[Black Guy]

Matt Jones has 8 inches on Fabian Washington. It would be a mismatch if they line-up against each other.4.37 at that height is freakish for a person of any color. People on the this site want whites to have equal consideration for the forbidden positions in the NFL and all other sports. Black posters who stumble on this site are appalled that we demand that white athletes be treated equally and that we don't believe the white athlete is inferior. Somehow a drive for equaIity is seen as racists. Ifind that rather comical. If you look at the 40 times of white nfl prospects for the forbidden positions of wr, rb, and cb, you'll find that they are almost all above the average speed for their position. When was the last time a white player was drafted with only 4.65 speed? Or worse yet 4.75 speed - clarett type of speed.

You seem to forget that in the NFL there are plenty of tall recievers and they dont just run over the smaller CB's on every play. Thats because the skill level is a lot higher than college. Yeah Jones would win the battle of the jump ball over Washington but the quarterback doesnt throw 20 jump balls a game. Jones still has to learn how to run routes and out manuever the DBs. Yes his size is a plus but he still must have skills.


One thing you must remember is that most large NCAA school have black people playing so they are more likely to get drafted. Yeah a white kid may be fast but hes not playing for Ohio State like Clarett. NFL teams are less likely to draftplayers from a smaller school even though they have good speed and ability. Clarett has proved he can suceed againt a high level of NCAA competition,A lot of white kids havent have that chance so they get looked over.


I will say this. I am a Miami Hurricane fan and when OSU played the Canes in the title game Clarett did not look slow to me at all.

 

[White Shogun]

Welcome to the board, Black Guy.



I found most of your comments, examples of which I've noted below,
quite stereotypical of the caste system. On the other hand, your point
of view regarding college recruiting is similar to the views espoused
here on castefootball.



Black Guy said:

"That proves that black people have already been proven to be faster and quicker than white players....



and.. "Most white people don't have that kind of speed, that is a fact."



and.. ".. but he (Matt Jones) lacks the skills that culpepper has, white people just don't have that ability on the same scale."



If I were to post stereotypical comments of equal, *ahem* color, they might read like this:



"That so many white quarterbacks are MVP's in this league proves that
whites are smarter and more intelligent than black quarterbacks."



or... "Most black people don't have the kind of intelligence needed to succeed, that is a fact."



or.. "but he (Mike Vick) lacks the intelligence that manning has,
black people just don't have that level of intelligence, on the same
scale."



Would you be willing to accept my comentary as equally fair and
unbiased as you feel your comments are regarding the athleticism
(or lack thereof) of white athletes?



White supremacists are often derided for their belief in white
supremacy, and rightfully so. How is it any less ridiculous to claim
that black people, as a whole, are natually better athletes and as
equally capable as whites in academics? Wouldn't equal intelligence and
superior athleticism equal a superior race overall??



I've found in these types of conversations that black people and those
who support the belief of the superior black male athlete get extremely
upset if someone says that blacks aren't as intelligent as whites.
Logically speaking, the statements are the same and on par with one
another, but the first statement is accepted and the second isn't.



Personally, I do not believe one race is superior to another,
academically, athletically, or otherwise. There are too many cultural
influences to make such an inference. Which means, IMO, that the
comparative lack of white players in the NFL, despite the greater
population density of white players in Pop Warner, high school, and
college football in general, is a CULTURAL influence and not a
RACIAL one.



Hence, CASTE FOOTBALL.

 

[Black Guy]

i must say black guy...you seen to be a very reasonable and intellignet man...so i will just ask you this....name me one black football player who is over 240lbs....that runs a 4.37 40 and has a 42 inch vertical...like matt jones has....he is not out there....matt jones is going to be the white randy moss...and what about jason sehorn...in his prime he was an athletic freak also....

You got me on that one. Jones is a awesome athlete. The closest I can come up with is Jevon Kearse,he has similar skills for his size.

 

[Black Guy]

Welcome to the board, Black Guy.

I found most of your comments, examples of which I've noted below, quite stereotypical of the caste system. On the other hand, your point of view regarding college recruiting is similar to the views espoused here on castefootball.

Black Guy said:
"That proves that black people have already been proven to be faster and quicker than white players....

and.. "Most white people don't have that kind of speed, that is a fact."

and.. ".. but he (Matt Jones) lacks the skills that culpepper has, white people just don't have that ability on the same scale."

If I were to post stereotypical comments of equal, *ahem* color, they might read like this:

"That so many white quarterbacks are MVP's in this league proves that whites are smarter and more intelligent than black quarterbacks."

or... "Most black people don't have the kind of intelligence needed to succeed, that is a fact."

or.. "but he (Mike Vick) lacks the intelligence that manning has, black people just don't have that level of intelligence, on the same scale."

Would you be willing to accept my comentary as equally fair and unbiased as you feel your comments are regarding the athleticism (or lack thereof) of white athletes?

White supremacists are often derided for their belief in white supremacy, and rightfully so. How is it any less ridiculous to claim that black people, as a whole, are natually better athletes and as equally capable as whites in academics? Wouldn't equal intelligence and superior athleticism equal a superior race overall??

I've found in these types of conversations that black people and those who support the belief of the superior black male athlete get extremely upset if someone says that blacks aren't as intelligent as whites. Logically speaking, the statements are the same and on par with one another, but the first statement is accepted and the second isn't.

Personally, I do not believe one race is superior to another, academically, athletically, or otherwise. There are too many cultural influences to make such an inference. Which means, IMO, that the comparative lack of white players in the NFL, despite the greater population density of white players in Pop Warner, high school, and college football in general, is a CULTURAL influence and not a RACIAL one.

Hence, CASTE FOOTBALL.

Look Im not saying ALL white people are slow but its proven that for SOME reason black people on the average are faster and better athletes. Some people say its because black people were bred to be slaves(which I do think) for 400 years. Dont say Im making stereotypical comments when plenty of white people(Jimmy the Greek) think the same thing and have made public statements on it.

 

[White Shogun]

Black Guy wrote:



"Don't say I'm making stereotypical comments when plenty of whtie
people (Jimmy the Greek) think the same thing and have made public
statements on it."



Black Guy, Jimmy the Greek was FIRED for his comments and never had a major role in televised sports again.



Can you say Rush Limbaugh? He was FIRED for insinuating that McNabb is
overrated because the media wants to see a black QB succeed.



What happens to announcers who say Urlacher, Alstott, et all are overrated? NOTHING.



And don't think just because Jimmy the Greek is white that I'll defend
his comments, either. A stereotypical comment is just that, regardless
from who's lips it passes.