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I don't take this as bad stereotyping and i think there is some truth in it.
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This article is a about white south african soccer players and were are they?




By Yusuf Moolla

While great pressure is put on rugby and cricket bosses to have more black people in their teams, professional soccer teams and academies in South Africa are struggling to hold on to or recruit young white players.

Since the Bafana Bafana glory days of the 1990s when white players such as Neil Tovey (who captained the team in 1996 when South Africa won the African Cup of Nations), Mark Fish (former Bafana Bafana defender) and Eric Tinkler (former Bafana Bafana midfielder) were among the core group which formed the heart and soul of the national team, South Africa has failed to produce similarly skilled white players at the highest levels.







What has happened to our white soccer stars and why are the professional bodies not attracting more white talent?

'We are all South Africans'
Mike Makaab, managing director of Prosport International's soccer division, has been involved with soccer for more than 30 years, as a player, coach and manager, and was South Africa's first licensed Fifa agent.

Makaab said there were several issues hampering the progress of potential white soccer stars, but chief among these was the sports systems in the traditionally white schools.

"There is a perception that there is no future in soccer and the majority of parents encourage their sons to pursue careers in cricket and rugby despite having talent in soccer."

While there were exceptions, such as Durban High School, which was making enormous strides in promoting soccer, generally not enough was being done to get rid of this perception, said Makaab.

He believed that there was a lot of soccer talent among young white males.

'It should not be about colour'
"Orlando Pirates has Michael Morton, for example, a fantastic young player who has come up through the development academy.

"Danny Guselli of Durban is another example of a white player making it in the sport, so there is no shortage of talent in the country."

Makaab, however, said he hated talking about colour in the sport.

"We are all South Africans. If our entire national side consists of black players, they are the best that the country has produced. It should not be about colour."

But he added that having white players in the national team made a difference.

"In 1996, when Bafana Bafana won the African Cup of Nations, the country was ranked 16th in the world. We had a fantastic blend of players. There was the strength of the white players and the flair of the black players."

Now, he said, not enough was being done to nurture talent among white players.

Johnny Brookes, Uefa and FA coach, who works for the Global Soccer Star academy and is also a coach for Durban's Stella Club, has helped many players to find opportunities in world soccer.

Born in Sheffield, UK, Brookes, who placed Lucas Radebe and Phil Masinga at Leeds United with his good friend Howard Wilkinson in the 90s, had also played for Sheffield United.

Brookes agreed with Makaab, saying that talent at schools was being diverted to other sporting codes.

"Many young players, as well as their parents, feel that they would not be welcomed into the sport."

Brookes also said the sport was too racially driven, with the focus on nurturing black talent only.

"Times were different during the 1990s. All cultures and races were drawn into the sport and there was no politics disrupting the flow of talent."

Brookes said another problem was that while there was talent among young white players, there were hardly any coaches in South Africa to focus on nurturing the talent.

"There are very few Uefa licensed coaches in South Africa. The country needs to bring up coaches from scratch and send them overseas for training. Our way of thinking in terms of coaching is isolated from the mainstream European way, and we need to work on bridging that gap."

Brookes said race should not be an issue at all and players should be professionally coached from the age of six.

"If the best coaching is not offered, you end up with a potentially talented player who is wasted," he said.

Steven Bezuidenhout, founder and head coach of the amateur academy Westville United FC, said disorganisation in amateur club soccer was one of the reasons why many potentially talented players stopped playing after school.

He said that besides white players, there were many talented Indian and coloured players in the 90s, but there had been a decrease in their numbers in recent years.

After graduation, many talented players would leave the game in search of a non-sports career.

But more money was being pumped into the sport and players were supported and protected and, as a result, the number of white players being groomed for professional soccer was picking up now.

"The PSL is looking to crack the market and look for white players to give another dimension to the game."

Bezuidenhout said former white soccer stars such as Tinkler and Tovey had provided a different element to the game.

"These players were generally bigger, stronger and taller, adding a difference to the team from the more skillful and quicker black players."

East Coast Radio DJ and Manchester United fan Dave Guselli, who has coached soccer at school and academy level, said there was great talent among young white players but that parents had a bad habit of not "pushing" their children.

"You cannot give up because you are white. People need to change their mentality and forget colour completely."

Guselli said he had encouraged his son Danny, and had supported him throughout his soccer career.

Danny will move to Sweden in January for six weeks to play for Enskoping, a first-division team.

Manchester-born Guselli, who played in the Manchester United academy at the age of 9, said players in Europe made it through merit and ability.

He said he would not have made it as far as he had done had it not been for the support of his parents.

"Soccer is not a black sport, and we all need to realise that."

Another young talent, Jason Ayling, was recently in the spotlight for being selected to try out for England's Coca-Cola Championship side, Sheffield United. Unfortunately he sustained a knee injury in his first training match and the 18-year-old from Amanzimtoti had to return home for an operation and rehabilitation for his knee. But he will return to Sheffield United in a year's time.

Ayling said he would work hard as his dream was to play in England. He said the experience of being in the Sheffield training academy had been "phenomenal".

"The level of soccer is amazing, from technique to fitness and dedication. You have to be special to get noticed."

Brookes, who helped Ayling through his club days at Stella, said he had recognised the talent in the player.

"He had the qualities of a European player. He had speed, strength and a defending mentality. I organised a trial for him at Sheffield United because going to Europe was the only way he was going to progress," Brookes said.


This article was originally published on page 12 of The Mercury on September 23, 2008

4 Days ago Anonymous wrote :
True, we need more white and colored players to strengthen Bafana. We were good when we had a good mixture of all races together and had proper strikers. Unfortunately Bafana's problem is not with the skill of the players but their conditioning and physical strength. Black players have always been skillful and very exciting to watch but they are not good finishers. I've watched the match between chiefs and man united at newlands and saw that our players are good enough to compete against these guys , but they looked like midgets and could not compete in the air and their physic was no match for these European players. Like they say in rugby a small player that is good is great to have , but a tall good player is even better.

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waterbed said:
do they in the US often mention the positive athletic Qualities of whites?


Never. It is forbidden in the U.S. to say anything positive about whites.
 

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It is also standard policy to degrade white athletes in the US at every opportunity. Whites, no matter how fast, are "deceptively fast" or "overachivers." One place where I recently saw something of this nature is my local north Jersey paper, The Herald News. They were discussing the running backs for Rutgers. All three black running backs were called "burners." Joe Martinek, who we all know ran a 10.4 hundred meters got none of those compliments. He was called an "overachiever" who "gets the most out of his abilities."Just found this. "
Joe Martinek isn't particularly big or overly fast and his quickness is probably just acceptable -- not exceptional. Yet almost every time the redshirt freshman tailback has the ball in his hands, something good seems to happen.http://www.nj.com/rutgersfoot ball/index.ssf/2008/08/martinek_running_himself_into.html Edited by: whiteathlete33
 

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I just wrote a big post about South African soccer (as I have very good knowledge of South African sport) over the past 14 years but for some odd reason it didn't post and then I couldn't get back on the site?

I really can't be bothered to write it again but I basically stated that South African soccer has got darker and darker over the past 14 years and the national soccer team has ironically got worse and worse! Suddenly the world cup is 2 years away and black South Africans suddenly want white soccer players back to give their team some strength and brains which black South Africans just don't have. Two white players who have never had their fair chance in the national team are Matthew Booth (central defender) and Glen Salmon (stiker) when both positions are really needed. Bradley Carnell their best left back has been caste away for no reason and their two best goalkeepers Rowen Fernandez and Calvin Marlin have been dropped for an unexperienced black goalkeeper Khune (maybe because South Africa's best goalies have never been black and they wanted a change, Hans Vonk was white and Andre Arendse was mixed white and asian).
 

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from Rivals.com Top 30 underclassmens
23. Auston English, DE, Oklahoma A throwback, blue-collar defensive end who plays with more power and strength then his size (6-3/254) would indicate. English has a good first step, but it's his balance and body control that enable him to get under tackles and dip around the corner. He rushes the passer with good hand technique. Combine that with his high-running motor, and English never stays blocked for long.



it never ends... at least be a little more creative cmon...
 

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Throwback, thats the term used on Jacob Hester last year. Almost always a denigrating code word for White.
 
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Never.  It is forbidden in the U.S. to say anything positive about whites.[/QUOTE]

Amen. The best thing you ever said.
 

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Gi-15 said:
from Rivals.com Top 30 underclassmens
23. Auston English, DE, Oklahoma A throwback, blue-collar defensive end who plays with more power and strength then his size (6-3/254) would indicate. English has a good first step, but it's his balance and body control that enable him to get under tackles and dip around the corner. He rushes the passer with good hand technique. Combine that with his high-running motor, and English never stays blocked for long.



it never ends... at least be a little more creative cmon...


Even coming from the Caste media, that "Top 30" list is one of the most BS lists I've EVER seen! There are many promising White underclassmen. Do the fruit loops, who made that list, even watch College Football? We know the truth... they intentionally overlook excellent White athletes.

With youtube, this website, and the increased pace of "diminishing returns" as a result of the rigid Caste System -- this charade won't last forever; It doesn't matter how hard these little twerps try.

Even the Caste NFL isn't as anti-White as this list!


24. Terrence Cody, DT, Alabama Cody, an unheralded junior college transfer, continues to move up draft boards with his consistent and dominant play inside. Cody is 6-5 and 378, but plays with good flexibility (the kind all blacks possess?) and exhibits the ability to anchor into his stance and take on a double-team. He has been nearly impossible to move inside and eats up blockers. He will garner first-round attention and will be appealing to teams that run a 3-4 defense and are searching for a massive nose tackle.


I don't think he'll be a 1st Rounder. But, if he is, can we all say BUST?.... Haha
 

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Great article, but once again, the classic stereotype prevails: "These players were generally bigger, stronger and taller, adding a difference to the team from the more skillful and quicker black players." White players are stronger but slower is the overgeneralized conception. Although white strength advantage -or any other for that matter -is never mentioned in America.<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><O:p></O:p>


The article makes up for it: "He had the qualities of a European player. He had speed, strength and a defending mentality. I organized a trial for him at Sheffield United because going to Europe was the only way he was going to progress," Brookes said.


I love this quote. Whites have both speed and strength andshould focus on mass specific force, meaning getting stronger without gaining much weight. If that happens, then whites can drive their foot down harder and accelerate faster. Edited by: Alpha Male
 

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Gi-15 said:
from Rivals.com Top 30 underclassmens
23. Auston English, DE, Oklahoma A throwback, blue-collar defensive end... Combine that with his high-running motor...
I wonder how long it will take for the talent scouts to figure out that the elite caucasians have the exterior of a power lifter with the interior pulmonary system of a distance cyclist? Also, the coaching staff would need to learn to take advantage of this, rather than the "5 seconds of play-time and 3 minutes of TV commercials" system that is common in the pros today. Maybe also lobby for rules that would allow maybe only 40 players on a roster, which would make the better-winded, higher-recovery athletes more valuable.

He had the qualities of a European player. He had speed, strength and a defending mentality.

Also, the better-winded athletes play smarter, because it's hard to think straight when you're struggling for air.Edited by: Observer
 

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Alpha Male said:
Whites have both speed and strength and should focus on mass specific force, meaning getting stronger without gaining much weight.  If that happens, then whites can drive their foot down harder and accelerate faster.
As in your WSM comment, Alpha, I think you're on to something with this idea...
 
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Alpha Male said:
Whites have both speed and strength and should focus on mass specific force, meaning getting stronger without gaining much weight.  If that happens, then whites can drive their foot down harder and accelerate faster.

A textbook example of this is the push-press excercise or the log-lift in the WSM competitions. It always begins with a 20-30 degree dip in the legs, which is followed by a very quick explosive upward thrust. The movement is then completed with the lockout of the arms at the top. All this is done in one quick, explosive movement. This excercise is an excellent guide to assessing a person's overall strength and explosive power.

Anyone want to guess what race ALWAYS dominates this event in the WSM?

We do...always.
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Ground Fighter said:
Anyone want to guess what race ALWAYS dominates this event in the WSM?
I would be interested in what you might have to say about which races, ethnic groups, nationalities do especially well or especially poorly in particular events.
 
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Observer said:
Ground Fighter said:
Anyone want to guess what race ALWAYS dominates this event in the WSM?
I would be interested in what you might have to say about which races, ethnic groups, nationalities do especially well or especially poorly in particular events.

Anything upper-body related (log presses for example) is almost always White dominated. I have yet to see a non-White WSM competitor ever finish in first place in any one of these events.

As for lower-body events (squat, deadlift, etc.), I'd pretty much say the same thing. The only exception is, like I said in a previous post, this Mark Felix's ONLY decent event. I'm not sure of he actually won the deadlift event, but I think he placed in the top three. There was one other non-White (from Fiji, I beleive) a few years back who faired "respectable well" in these events as well. Can't remember his name though.

Finally, we come to the strength/endurance events (truck pull, stone carry, etc.) These events are ALWAYS White dominated. I guess the bruthas just run out of gas.
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Here, watch the video and pause it at 2:29 to read the final standings on the "power-stairs event". Good ol' Mark Felix (black) finished fourth. Big Whoop.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ObNpKbka4Q&feature=relatedEdited by: Ground Fighter
 

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Very true Groundfighter. It's too bad this upper body strength is not allowed to carry over into the NFL. Why so few DT in the NFl? That is a strength position.
 
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Why so few DT in the NFl? That is a strength position.

Because the "Negro Felon's League" would rather have fat, immobile, lard-ass blacks, who aren't nearly as strong or quick as the White guys, play that position instead.
 

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It won't be long before they somehow try and integrate the WSM competitions and put more blacks in. I wonder how they will pull this one off? LOL
 

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They'll have little - if any at all - chance to push blacks in that sport. Instead, they'll have dweeb writers propagandize articles questioning how those white men got so strong. The conclusion, of course, is steroids.Edited by: Alpha Male
 
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