White Offensive Linemen

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While I agree, as most do on this site that the most glaring and obvious discrimination against white players is at the skill positions, the discrimination against white players at the offensive line positions is fairly egregious also.

A microcosm of this took place during last night's Colts-Giants game.

Giants left tackle Luke Petitgout and Colts right tackle Ryan Diem totally shut down pro bowl defensive ends Dwight Freeney and Michael Strahan respectively. Freeney was held to one assisted tackle all night by Petitgout.

Petitgout has been vilified and scorned by the NY media for years, even though he has been a quality shut down tackle. Meanwhile, the NY media fell in love with Kareem McKenzie, the Giants mediocre right tackle, who is grossly overpaid and was the weak link last year on the Giants otherwise all white line.

When the Giants signed McKenzie, you would have thought they had just signed John Hannah by the way he was portrayed in the the media. They immediately called it a great signing and said that he was an immediate upgrade and the most "athletic" of the Giants lineman. The only thing most of these idiots saw was that he was black, which immediately qualifys him to be a great player.

It is comical how the caste system applied to the o-line. Fat, black offensive lineman such as the now retired Randall McDaniel and Larry Allen are lauded by the media and get a free pass to the pro-bowl every year even though they are well past their primes and at point in their careers where they should have been replaced long ago.

I can remember last year, Jonathan Ogden, getting eaten alive be Freeney on a Sunday night game. Yet Ogden is perceived by many to be the best tackle in the game while Petitgout is cast as your typical mediocre, replaceable white lineman.

The real pathetic part of all this, is that the majority of white, jock sniffing fans buy into the raves about the Ogdens, Orlando Paces an Lecharles Bentleys of the worlds as the best at their positions simply because the media says it is so.

I'll be the first to admit that I'm not an expert at watching the game in the trenches, but very few, media included, are either. The only way to truly assess the performance of an offensive lineman is to break down game film. However, the short cut route to this is easy. If the offensive lineman is black he must be better than his white counterpart.

I'm sure that Ogden will get his free ride to Hawaii this year as long as he is breathing, while fans and media alike will be calling for Guy Whimper to replace Petitgout after one false start penalty.
 

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Good observations. Ogden was beaten so often last year it was pitiful. And this is the guy about whom virtually every announcer still ritually says "He never gets beaten for a sack." It's one of those lies that's mindlessly repeated long after it ceases to be remotely true.


Pace is over-rated. Just about all of them are. The media and fandom went into an unbelievable funk when Willie Roaf retired. It single-handedly was seen to be the ruination of the Kansas City offense.


I've mentioned before how once a black o-linemen makes the Pro Bowl it often becomes an annual event until they retire. Reuben Brown was waived by the Bills a few years ago after the season because of his poor performance. But he had made the Pro Bowl that year, as always.


There's no question that the o-line is falling to the Caste System. Along with the strong drive to have as many black quarterbacks as possible, the obvious end game is to have a nearly all black league.
 

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If an O-lineman is truly outstanding you can tell. Ie Anthony Muniz, Hannah or Stephenson. Some of these guys that make probowls every year puzzle me. I think Rueben Brown had dirty photos on people in the league as he never seemed like Gogan or Konrad Dobler.
 

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I think Brown was released for leadership issues and salary cap reasons. He quit on his team(claimed depression)and he was making huge money and really wasn't that outstanding( I don't know if he ever was?).
 

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blacks at every position are showered with ready praise that often sounds rehearsedbut how many whites are?
 

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Walter Jones of the Seahawks, universally praised as the best offensive lineman in the NFL, has already allowed 4 sacks this season. Maybe that's because linemate Steve Hutchinson left for Minnesota as a free agent during the offseason. Before the season The Sporting News actually rated Jones as the best player in the entire league, but he's looking a lot like Jonathan Ogden and the rest of the many way over-rated black linemen.


Hutchinson and Alan Faneca are the two best offensive linemen in the NFL.
 

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Ogden gets beaten often this season... some of them are all hype... best linemen in the game are Hutchinson, Faneca, and lol i just noticed that Don had those two as well... gotta come up with another name and i am going to go with Jeff HArtings or Olin Kreutz, centers.
 

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The Miami Dolphins are going to with Harrington for the time being. Seems Culpepper is not quite up to snuff physically and may need more time to recover from last years leg injury. That is the official party line. In my opinion Daunte has had a tough time with his reads and of course hisebony linemen stink. Too bad for Lou. They have given up the most sacks in the league and are terrible at run blocking. The story below is informative.


Is Rob Konrad available for the backfield? He'd be the best blocker on the team for sure.


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6050236?CMP=OTC-K9B140813 162&ATT=5
<DIV ="firstP">For the first four weeks of the season, the Miami Dolphins offensive line was lambasted for its inability to protect Daunte Culpepper.





Culpepper got sacked 21 times in four games, and the Dolphins' big off-season acquisition looked like a big mistake. But a funny thing happened when the offensive line had a different quarterback to protect: On Sunday against the New England Patriots, that same line allowed only one sack all day. So which Miami offensive line is the real one?


After watching the line on every play of Sunday's 20-10 loss to the Patriots, it appears that the pass protection problems of the first four games were at least as much about Culpepper's habit of holding onto the ball too long as about the protection he got. But if the pass protection is a bit better than advertised, the run blocking is worse. The Dolphins line will prevent running back Ronnie Brown from showing the talents that made him the second overall pick last year.


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As a long-time prankster troll on this board, I can pretty much only say you guys are actually right on with this sort of thread. There does seem to be something of a template for hagiography when it comes to a select group of Black O-linemen.

I'd compare this to similar "minstrel" archetypes common in American popular culture...people think these sorts of characterizations are long-gone, but you need only see "The Green Mile" or "The Legend of Bagger Vance" or pretty much any flick starring Morgan Freeman or Queen Latifah to see this is not the case.

It's common for long-in-the-tooth Black pop-singers to drag on tired old careers (Luther Vandross, Aretha Franklin, Tina Turner) while similarly decrepit White artists (Rod Stewart, Mick Jagger, yes even Michael Bolton) are usually mocked and pilloried for being aged. I remember Gene Simmons pointing this out one time in an interview. To even challenge the talent of the former group in polite conversation will usually draw outrage, while poopy-pants caricatures of Rod and others are fit for SNL and South Park.

Bill Cosby and Jimi Hendrix usually sit at the top of any "best of" list in their respective fields...the merits of stand-up comedy and rock guitar are highly subjective, but their godliness is not.

This is just your culture, people.

Kudos on keeping the epithets to a minimum, BTW.
 

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LOL

Only Jervey could take a thread devoted to discussing bias against white offensive linemen and turn it into a referendum on old black soul artists.
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I appreciate your analogy, Jerve, but I'm curious about who you are talking about when you say,

JerveyGotGypped said:
This is just your culture, people.

Do you mean American culture, white culture, sports culture? Or something else? Who is this 'your' you speak of? Are you somehow separate from all this, above it all, or what?

As for keeping the epithets to a minimum, I'm sure you realize by now that the majority of us here always keep 'epithets to a minimum.'
 

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The Colts are another great example of a team with a dominating white offensive line year in and year out. Edgerrin James has been getting slower ever since blowing out his knee early in his career. He's so slow now that if he were white he would be considered too slow to bulk up into a blocking fullback.


The Cardinals gave James a huge contract over the offseason, but they have a terrible line of mainly sumo-sized blacks (again), and James is averaging but 2.7 yards per rush this season, including 55 yards in 36 carries in front of a national audience on Monday night.


It was the Colts' offensive line that made James the past few seasons, a line that also gives Peyton Manning great pass protection. They have four white starters every year and one "sumo," Tarik Glenn. Glenn of course is the best known and the one ritually cited by announcers as the best, when he is clearly the weak link -- slow and often flagged for motion penalties.
 
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A game with 36 carries for 55 yards is probably a record of sorts. Meaning, the most carries for fewest yards.
 

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excellent points, Don.

the Colts are perenially among the league's best o-lines, yet they are perenially snubbed from the Pro Bowl. to my knowledge, nary a one has ever made it despite always having an impressive running game and yielding among the fewest sacks in the League. go figure.
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an interesting note about edgerrin james. his total of 55 yards on 36 carries was the worst ever in the NFL. no back in the history of the League had ever carried so many times for so few yards! why aren't we hearing repeated rumblings about his imminent retirement?

edited to add: SH, i was reading while you posted, but you are right as i noted above.Edited by: Jimmy Chitwood
 

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Jimmy Chitwood said:
an interesting note about edgerrin james. his total of 55 yards on 36 carries was the worst ever in the NFL. no back in the history of the League had ever carried so many times for so few yards! why aren't we hearing repeated rumblings about his imminent retirement? QUOTE]

WOW! That is some stat! I haven't heard a word about it all week. Of course, if the media was to hop on it, they'd have to admit part of the reason is the uh-O line they have there, and we all know they'd never criticize an all black unit, except maybe if they were in Miami!
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55 yards on 36 carries is 1.53 yards a pop. What was James' longest run? How many carries for negative yards did he have?

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Oh no, the great all-time legend Orlando Pace is injured. The St. Louis offense must grind to a halt.


Read these twoparagraphs from the same fantasy football site, which claims that both Marc Bulger and Steven Jackson are going to see their production go down this year with Pace out -- even though both had far and away their best seasons last year when Pace was hurt!
<STRONG style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Marc Bulger[/b] (Stl) - Oh, boy. If there was one player the Rams and Bulger could ill-afford to lose for his fantasy value it would be <STRONG style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Orlando Pace[/b], and he could lose him for a long time. Now, Bulger was able to get it done without Pace for almost half a season last year, but now, staring at a full season without Pace is frightening. Bulger is still a good player with a lot of weapons, and he will put up better than respectable numbers. But you have lower his projections and his expectations now. <?:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O:p></O:p>
<STRONG style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Steven Jackson[/b] (Stl) - Certainly not what <?:NAMESPACE PREFIX = ST1 /><ST1:pLACE w:st="on"><ST1:CITY w:st="on">Jackson</ST1:CITY></ST1:pLACE> owners expected, but the real issue is the loss of LT <STRONG style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Orlando Pace[/b]. <ST1:pLACE w:st="on"><ST1:CITY w:st="on">Jackson</ST1:CITY></ST1:pLACE> was able to still put up big numbers without Pace late last year, but it will be hard to duplicate that feat, plus rookie <STRONG style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Brian Leonard[/b] might take away some production. <ST1:CITY w:st="on"><ST1:pLACE w:st="on">Jackson</ST1:pLACE></ST1:CITY> fumbled twice in the game, which is disconcerting, but he looked decent otherwise, relatively speaking. All <ST1:pLACE w:st="on"><ST1:CITY w:st="on">Jackson</ST1:CITY></ST1:pLACE> owners can do is suck it up and keeping staring him - but with lowered expectations. <O:p></O:p>


Dad gummit even though it didn't happen last year it will this year. This is Orlando Pace we're talking about here after all!Edited by: Don Wassall
 
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I remember the 04 superbowl when the Patriot's 5 white linemen shut down the Panther's defensive line. Brady was not touched once and yet Kris Jenkins went to the Pro Bowl.
 
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Did you see the pats offensive line against the Jets? All white including the 1 or 2 backups that went in later and they absolutely DOMINATED. That 'athletic' Jets defense was supposed to be great. The Pats young white lineman shut them down. I think Brady got touched once the whole game. Virtually every play he had 7 seconds in the pocket. The Pat and Broncos know what works: smaller athletic white lineman. Not the sumo blacks.
 
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My question is: Why are most of these White O-Line supermen never in the pro bowl?
 

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exactly most of the guards in the pro bowl are black yet the best players are white. This is just another example of how the caste system works.
 

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That's something I used to notice about the Packers a few years ago. Everyone on the field for them was black except for Favre and the O-line.

I don't know how it is this year, but I do know some people won't be satisfied until the NFL is 100% black, including kickers.
 

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Perennially great offenses seem to have one thing in common - an all-white or nearly all-white offensive line.
 

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"To prevent damaging your eyes, you'll have to watch black players eclipse you through this sheet of paper."
 

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The "great" Jonathan Ogden may miss the whole season with a foot injury, following the "great" Orlando Pace who is out for the year.


I've noticed a big change in NFL injuries the past two seasons but especially this one -- just about all the significant injuries are occurring to blacks, I'd guess 85 percent or more. The worst are the black quarterbacks, but blacks at other positions are almost as bad. Just check the players who've been put on IR in the past month -- just about all black.


Another thing that makes me shake my head is how many players seem to be exhausted after one or two hard plays, especially the running backs. After his punt return for a touchdown against the Bengals last night, Ravens safety Ed Reed was shownsprawled on his back on the sideline, inhaling oxygen as if he'd just finished climbing Mt. Everest (which only one black man has done out of the thousands who have made it to the summit btw). Cut me a break! It's not only these guys' athleticism that's over-rated, it's their conditioning too, led by the obese o-linemen and defensive tackles who are expected to do little more than take up a lot of space. Edited by: Don Wassall
 
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Are all the Patriots linemen white this year, even the backups? It looks like it. When was the last time that happened? You think with their success other teams might give white linemen more of a chance.

I disagree with Don about the injuries though. The NFL is 80% black, so it follows that 80% of the injuries are to black players.
 
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