those evil racists at BYU... really?

Jimmy Chitwood

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the article tries to make it out like it is somehow "shocking" or a "surprise" that BYU football players that get in trouble are almost always non-white. wow. just wow. and the comments at the bottom of the page are just as ridiculous...
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<H2>Why ethnic gap among BYU players?</H2>
<DIV =byline>By Dick Harmon
Deseret Morning News
<DIV =timestamp>Published: Aug. 21, 2007
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<DIV =timestamp>It's been months since Bronco Mendenhall suspended linebacker Terrance Hooks. This week he welcomed back the sophomore from Tempe, Ariz., as if he were the biblical parable of the wayward son of the nobleman.


Mendenhall did not mince words as he spread the welcome mat for Hooks, who was arrested and jailed last spring for breaking down a door to confront two men who threw water balloons at his girlfriend.


Legal issues aside, 40 hours of community service done, Hooks is back. And Mendenhall is glad, not for the player, but for the man. He has gushed to reporters over the return of Hooks.


"Our team will welcome him back," said Mendenhall. "They have missed him. It has never been that our team doesn't love him or support him. I think he is a valuable team member. We recognize he made a mistake in representing our program, and I held him accountable. I believe he's done everything I've asked him to do."


But an issue with BYU's football program remains, one Mendenhall inherited when he took over for Gary Crowton three years ago. Minority players â€â€￾ African-Americans and Polynesians â€â€￾ are the majority represented in incidents that escalate to trouble with the law, leading to suspensions.


As he has every other component of BYU football, Mendenhall has broken down this issue, examined it and tried to find a way to make it better than before.


"I've looked everywhere possible to see if there is a common thread of why that has happened," said Mendenhall. "Men that have issues with the law, I look at the severity of the infraction to see what brought it on, to see if it registers, if we did something to bring it on, or if it was just an agency decision and something any of us could have done."


Before Hooks, it was defensive tackle Matangi Tonga, who still faces legal issues stemming from a series of campus thefts in the fall of 2006. His older brother, Manase Tonga, has returned to the team from a suspension after being jailed days before his wedding in July for giving a wrong name to a Provo patrolman after failing to pay two traffic tickets.


Tonga remains a BYU team leader.


Mendenhall is correct when he points out the severity and number of incidents has subsided under his watch. Still, as he welcomes back Hooks and Tonga, both will be suspended for the Arizona game. And there remains the issue that members of the team who are not ethnically part of the majority at BYU and Provo represent those most likely to be suspended.


Is it a breakable trend? Or is it simply a product of free choice and humans being human?


One of the last times any player of the ethnic majority was arrested may have been in the late '90s when linebacker Derik Stevenson fired a handgun on the Snow College campus when he felt threatened.


The majority of other incidents, which have been ugly, have involved primarily minorities.


"We need to get to the point to determine if a grade-point average is a predictor," Mendenhall said. "We look at every factor possible to see if there is something we can prevent or work with. Basically, I take accountability to bring in the right men that I think can make it and will make it and get the right education in place along the way."


Just last week, Mendenhall invited nationally renowned organizational behavior scientist Paul Gustavson in to address the entire team, breaking down the science of learning. He's instilled a big-brother program to help usher along freshmen and transfers. He has instigated a Friday fireside program where all members of the team speak or sing whether on the road or at home. His workout program in the offseason is not position-specific, but mixes as much diversity as possible.


"We create as much diversity to groups to make sure crossover is happening, and we do it at a level I've never seen at any other institution," he said.


Mendenhall has a roommate housing rule where players living with other students, who may or may not be an athlete, must have a 2.75 GPA in the apartment. If one guy has a 2.0, somebody else in the apartment better have a 3.5, or somebody moves into the campus dorms.


Mendenhall uses a non-LDS ministry and Bible study on campus during the season to provide a spiritual outlet for non-LDS players. He has two Polynesian coaches on staff in offensive coordinator Robert Anae and defensive line coach Steve Kaufusi. One of the academic advisers is black, former player Jamaal Willis, as is Mendenhall's secondary coach, Jaime Hill.


"It's all part of a plan to have role models on our staff," Mendenhall says.


Bottom line?


BYU incidents with the law happen to players just like they do with the regular student population. But most tend to be minorities when it comes to members of Mendenhall's team.


Mendenhall wants it solved.


"I hope this makes our program fall forward," he said. "When you make mistakes, you learn from those mistakes. Use it as a life lesson, not to look back on the mistake, but use it to get better."


Amen.
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What are Africans even doing playing for BYU? I thought there were stipulations in the Mormon holy book that excluded them. I know their are people from all ethnicities that play various sports for BYU but one would think that a team that is a wing of a particular religioun would follow it's own guidelines
 

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Yep, real life is not like the movies, (you know) the ones where Denzel Washington protects and saves White men, White women and White children. This is the most vile type of attack on White masculinity.

Where would White people be without Denzel saving us left and right?
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A kindergartener could have developed this kind of simplistic propaganda (Black = good and strong; White = bad and weak).

I pity those who, at this time in 2007, still don't know what's going on.
 

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Every campus needs a half-dozen rapes and dozens of assaults and thefts, didn't you know?

The wonderful and inevitable joys of diversity (i.e. jungle-fication).
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aussieaussie31 said:
What are Africans even doing playing for BYU? I thought there were stipulations in the Mormon holy book that excluded them. I know their are people from all ethnicities that play various sports for BYU but one would think that a team that is a wing of a particular religioun would follow it's own guidelines

You're right, Africans don't belong at BYU. In the book of Mormon it states that blacks are both the descendants of Cain and Canaan. It says that Cain married into a pre-adamic tribe of dark skinned people (presumably black) and one of his descendants married Ham (the son of Noah who was cursed by God) That is why blacks and Africans are a cursed race. The bible states that the curse of Ham destined his descendants to be the hewers of wood, the drawers of water, and the servants of servants. In other words, they are destined to perform nothing but menial labor for all generations, the lower class if you will. History proves this to be true. Just one look at Africa is all you need to see Gods work in action. The place is stricken with poverty, sexual immorality, disease, paganism, tribal warfare, etc...
 
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I know this slant has been way overdone, but when you are in a state that's over 90% white, it's really hard to not look at non-whites as "suspects" for crimes. It's not an excuse for acts that are really committed, but it's hard to say some of these "law enforcers" are 100% fair in some of their actions.

Yes, they do commit these acts, but my question is the whole legal system in Utah county. The stuff some of these guys have been doing (running red lights, getting mad about water balloons, etc.) is pretty tame stuff. The "rape" turned out to be consentual group sex, but they kept the "players" (never made it past a week of practice) incarcerated and seemed to drag the trial on forever. They deserved to be kicked off for honor code violations, but I felt these black guys from the south should have been brought back home to Texas or Georgia as soon as possible.

Then there are those that hate the football program at BYU, and/or Mormons, so they try to overblow these incidents into some mass-murder-type media coverage. The fact is, Utah is a relatively safe state (even moreso Utah county) and the media is just plain out of good crime-related stories.

As far as black players are concerned, I don't mind a few Curtis Browns as long as it doesn't get ridiculous like the SEC (where great white high school players are forced into lower collegiate divisions due to black-pandering coaches)
 

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i watched the BYU-UCLA game today, and though BYU lost, they overcame a horrid first half by their offense and came back to make a game of it. they just couldn't catch a break, even though their defense played great.


the thing that bothered me was the repeated statement that BYU was completely inferior from an athletic standpoint to UCLA. the exact phrasing, repeated throughout the game as if it were being read, was "the structure and discipline" of BYU versus the "talent" of UCLA.


however, BYU was charged with 11 penalties and UCLA only 3,yet the game was incredibly close despite that AND despite every break going UCLA's way. perhaps straight-line speed isn'teverything when it comes to making a good football team...


also, this is a direct quote: "UCLA's Trey Brown is a prototype shutdown corner blah blah blah, but BYU's Max Hall and Austin Collie are getting the best of him."


i wonder if BYU wide receiver Austin Collie is talented, too? if so, it was never mentioned...
 
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Jimmy Chitwood said:
i watched the BYU-UCLA game today, and though BYU lost, they overcame a horrid first half by their offense and came back to make a game of it. they just couldn't catch a break, even though their defense played great.


the thing that bothered me was the repeated statement that BYU was completely inferior from an athletic standpoint to UCLA. the exact phrasing, repeated throughout the game as if it were being read, was "the structure and discipline" of BYU versus the "talent" of UCLA.


however, BYU was charged with 11 penalties and UCLA only 3, yet the game was incredibly close despite that AND despite every break going UCLA's way. perhaps straight-line speed isn't everything when it comes to making a good football team...


also, this is a direct quote: "UCLA's Trey Brown is a prototype shutdown corner blah blah blah, but BYU's Max Hall and Austin Collie are getting the best of him."


i wonder if BYU wide receiver Austin Collie is talented, too? if so, it was never mentioned...

Most of that is the BCS/non-BCS conference thing. It was said to be a "Pac-10 telecast", yet both leagues are under contract with Versus. The BCS/non-BCS is a whole other level of media discrimination, almost on par with the "white-out" (as in take whites out) mentality.

I bet if it was a mostly black team from the MWC, like TCU, they'd say some of the same stuff about talent mismatches. Texas vs. TCU, though I didn't watch it, probably had some similar comments about the "little guy" team.

I'm not saying the whiteness of BYU players wasn't a factor, but it's far from the only one.
 
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