rio and drogba might miss the world cup
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Ferdinand im not bothered about either way, but Drogba - one of the sulkiest and most complainy players out there - I for sure wont miss him at the world cup!!
Ivory Coast wasn't going anywhere with or without the overhyped Drogba. Even the Asian teams beat the pathetic black African sides (and here I am including France which today in a friendly against China started 3 whites and 8 blacks - not mulattoes either - full Negroes - and of course they lost).
But Ferdinand wil make the England side that much whiter as he was a starter. England should now start 8 whites and 3 mulattoes. Could be worse and I can still cheer for them unless they are playing a full white side like Germany, Italy, Spain or one of the eastern European teams.
But Ferdinand wil make the England side that much whiter as he was a starter. England should now start 8 whites and 3 mulattoes. Could be worse and I can still cheer for them unless they are playing a full white side like Germany, Italy, Spain or one of the eastern European teams.
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Liverlips said:
Mate, Germany are no longer a "full white" side. Have a look at their final 23 man squad. Dennis Aogo, Jerome Boateng, Serdar Tasci, Sami Khedira, Mesut Ozil, and Cacau definitely aren't white - that's 6 players, essentially a fraction over one in four. Sure, they have hadBallack et al ruled out due to injury, but the days of all-white German national teams appear to be over. As You may or may not recall, the black David Odonkor featured back in the 2006 World Cup and 2008 European Championships, while Mehmet Scholl was obviously half-Turkish (his original surname was Yuksel).
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Rebajlo said:
Half the players you just mentioned are white or very close to white
ie - Mehmet Scholl - http://www.rot-weiss-erfurt.de/content_images/images/vorschauen08/mehmet.jpg
or does having some Turkish roots mean that you cant be white? (bear in mind that there are even some blond people in Turkey)
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Liverlips said:
France are ridiculous. There used to be so many great white players come out of France but now they are almost all black...although the best French player is white - Ribery.
Englang staring with 8 whites? dream on! I think there will be 6 and no more...but i hope you are right and i am wrong!
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i think 8 at least mate. The goal keeper apears to be hart as number one, although its not certain. Crouch will start with rooney, but rumours have it now that gareth barry is fit, that gerrard or joe cole will play behind rooney. Which is what i would do. Ledley king body is falling apart, even if he starts against USA he can not physically keep going. Did you know he can only train by swimming. If he did full training sessions with tottenham he would be in a wheel chair now. I have no beef with king he like david james seem to be likable.
My beef is with heskey, it is almost as if a gunman has his family tied up and ready to be executed if he scores for club or country. Again heskey doesnt appear to have TNS behavior, so i dont dislike him as a person, but he is a terible player. Yet appears to one of the first names on the sheet???
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Based on what Capello has done in friendlys im sure he will play James and Heskey, and I have a feeling he will go for King for as long as he will last in defence.
Again, though, i hope im wrong - its nice to have a largely white team to support, whilst at the same time the white players Hart, Crouch and Dawson/Upson should be in the team on merit instead of the 3 above mentioned black/mixed players. (Especially Crouch - without any shadow of a doubt!)
Again, though, i hope im wrong - its nice to have a largely white team to support, whilst at the same time the white players Hart, Crouch and Dawson/Upson should be in the team on merit instead of the 3 above mentioned black/mixed players. (Especially Crouch - without any shadow of a doubt!)
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accesscrimea said:
accesscrimea - If You say that someone is very close to white then, by definition, they aren't white.
Let's examine the players I mentioned:
Cacau - Black Brazilian who was granted German citizenship last year. Unambiguously non-German and non-white.
David Odonkor - Ghanaian father, German mother. This technically makes him a mulatto therefore, in any "racially aware" white's book, he's black.
Dennis Aogo - Nigerian father, German mother. As above.
Jerome Boateng - Ghanaian father, German mother. As above.
Sami Khedira - Tunisian father, German mother.
Mehmet Scholl - Turkish father, German mother (an unfortunate patternseems to be emerging...).
Serdar Tasci - German-born Turk.
Mesut Ozil - German-born Turk.
Your issue appears to be that Turks and Arabs can be considered white or somewhat white, therefore the likes of Khedira and Scholl are essentially white. Quite naturally, You are entitled to Your opinion and that's fine. As for me, I've already expressed my views on Turks, Berbers, Arabs, et cetera at length in the "Is Zidane White?" thread, so feel free to check them out if You wish:
http://www.castefootball.us/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11813&title=is-zidane-white
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ok thats fine. This who is white who is black thing keeps coming up with me. I prefer to look at it in shades rather than in absolutes - the reason being that race is not a matter of absolutes. At some point all races merge from one into the other, rather than being uniformly seperate.
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You said:
David Odonkor - Ghanaian father, German mother. This technically makes him a mulatto therefore, in any "racially aware" white's book, he's black.
Im not budging on this one. Ryan Gigg's father was black. So does that make Ryan Giggs black?! Hes a lot more white than black!
David Odonkor - Ghanaian father, German mother. This technically makes him a mulatto therefore, in any "racially aware" white's book, he's black.
Im not budging on this one. Ryan Gigg's father was black. So does that make Ryan Giggs black?! Hes a lot more white than black!
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I normally adore rooting for Germany's national squad. This year, however, they are quite repulsive. Turk after Turk, half-breed after half-breed. In the 2006 World Cup and the 2008 Euro Cup, they fielded an all-white starting 11, with Polish-Germans such as Lukas Podolski (this year's captain). Kevin Kuranyi was the only player without fully-white DNA (German-Brazilian father and Panamanian mother).
Hopefully a team with an all-white starting 11 will win the cup"¦I could care less what flag is on their jersey.
Hopefully a team with an all-white starting 11 will win the cup"¦I could care less what flag is on their jersey.
"My beef is with heskey, it is almost as if a gunman has his family tied up and ready to be executed if he scores for club or country. Again heskey doesnt appear to have TNS behavior, so i dont dislike him as a person, but he is a terible player. Yet appears to one of the first names on the sheet???
Heskey just shoves people out of the way and holds the ball up.
England could easily start crouch,rooney,gerrard,lampard, j cole,barry,terry and hart ,carrgaher. That's 9, add Upson or Dawson-10, Only a cole , a mulatto would start. That is 10 starters who are white and a great team.
Each game will be different. A lineup could be:rooney,heskey,lennon,gerrard,lampard,barry,johnson,king,terry,a cole.,green. That's 5 blacks. It all depends on whom Capello chooses.
Barry won't play against the US. So Carrick will. I would play Lennon over Phillips any day.
Heskey just shoves people out of the way and holds the ball up.
England could easily start crouch,rooney,gerrard,lampard, j cole,barry,terry and hart ,carrgaher. That's 9, add Upson or Dawson-10, Only a cole , a mulatto would start. That is 10 starters who are white and a great team.
Each game will be different. A lineup could be:rooney,heskey,lennon,gerrard,lampard,barry,johnson,king,terry,a cole.,green. That's 5 blacks. It all depends on whom Capello chooses.
Barry won't play against the US. So Carrick will. I would play Lennon over Phillips any day.
The jew media always promotes negroes and attacks whites. Just check the current front page of thesun.co.uk
on the one hand we have an article about world cup "chokers". And guess what? The picture they used is of a white player, Socrates. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/worldcup2010/3000658/Top-five-World-Cup-chokers.html
and on the other hand we have an article about an "ace". A negro, of course. "German ace Jerome seals $11m Eastlands switch" http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3001644/Man-City-sign-Jerome-Boateng.html
So, after reading the front page of thesun.co.uk, we get the conclusion that whites are chokers, while negroes are "aces". Jew media at its finest. Promoting ugly, repulsive, illiterates negroes as "aces" and "superstars", while they smear Whites in every way they can.
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on the one hand we have an article about world cup "chokers". And guess what? The picture they used is of a white player, Socrates. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/worldcup2010/3000658/Top-five-World-Cup-chokers.html
and on the other hand we have an article about an "ace". A negro, of course. "German ace Jerome seals $11m Eastlands switch" http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3001644/Man-City-sign-Jerome-Boateng.html
So, after reading the front page of thesun.co.uk, we get the conclusion that whites are chokers, while negroes are "aces". Jew media at its finest. Promoting ugly, repulsive, illiterates negroes as "aces" and "superstars", while they smear Whites in every way they can.
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accesscrimea said:
WHAT??
Did you see the negroes on the "French" squad? My gosh! Shouldn't White men and women be able to muster up enough "will-power" to prevent themselves from "mating" with the negro?
Do you know what most of the negroes in the world look like? Do you know what most products of miscegenation look like? Is Brazil the "Whitest" country in the world?
I don't buy into the "idea" that all Greeks have black ancestry, that all French have black ancestry, etc. That's just specious propaganda! Notice that MANY Mediterranean people have very-elongated noses? I think a person can look at that, and their skull and lips, and make a damn good determination on whether they are White or not! We are COMPLETELY different from the negro!
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some think south europeans have black blood becuase it is close to africa but they forget that north africans are the one that are sometimes slightly black,their don't even live much blacks in north africa above sahara.Whites and blacks were saparated by the sahara,
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accesscrimea said:
accesscrimea - ha, ha, I was waiting for You or someone else to bring up the example of Ryan Giggs. Giggs' father is an African-Welshmulatto and his mother is Welsh, so that technically makes him "one quarter" black - which in Rebajlo's strict book
I recall watching an F.A. Cup Final (I believe that it was the 1996 match in which United beat Liverpool) during whichtheblack commentator and then recently-retired "footballer" (and all-round prize idiot)John Fashanukept proudly bleating that"you've gotta rememba tha' Ryan Giggs'fava is black, his fava's an African, ho, ho, ho". If Giggs had looked more like his father (and that could well have been the case -phenotypes can be fickle), then You would not have used him as an example, although his "pedigree" would have been exactly the same.His black genes, however,are still lurking beneath the surface and "African" features may pop up in his grandchildren - I certainly wouldn't wish the likes of Giggs to marry my sister or daughter (that's if I actually had a sister or a daughter
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Thrashen - Kuranyi was born in Brazil to afather of German/Hungarian descent (the surname is aninstant giveaway) who was himself born in Hungary. Kuranyi was also eligible to play for Brazil, Hungary and Panama - a thoroughly ridiculous situation. In all honesty, his German connectionswere rather tenuous - he only moved to Germany when he was something like fifteen years of age.
That's the problem with the lax rules regarding so-called "eligibility" - all manner of potential permutations arise. In the late 1990s, Germany "naturalised" and used the likes of another Brazilian with distant German ancestry, Paulo Rink, and thehalf-German Swiss Oliver Neuville. Rink's grandfather or great-grandfather (I cannot quite recall which) hademigrated to Brazil and the player signed for Bayer Leverkusen in his early twenties. Despite the fact that he is white (although one never knows with Brazilians
These "eligibility through grandparents" and "living in a country for x amount of years" criteria are rubbish. In the early 1980s, the Republic of Ireland began scrounging around for British-born players of Irish descent. This resulted in the likes of English-born part-Italian Tony Cascarino being selected for Ireland due to his supposedly Irish grandfather. It was later revealed that his mother had been adopted so he did not, in fact,have any Irish blood at all. Ray Houghton was born in Scotland, yet played for Ireland due to having an Irish father. Both of these men never played club football in the Republic.
On a related note,infamous Watford-born testicle-grabbing hardman Vinnie Jones made several appearances for Wales, qualifying through his grandfather. This lowered the meaning of representing one's country and people toshameful absurdity - Jones had previously taken to posing in an Ireland shirt and was running his mouth about how Irish he felt when he believed that he was eligible for the Republic.
Poland haveexpedited the granting ofcitizenship to the loathesome Nigerian Emmanuel Olisadebe and the equally undesirable Brazilian Roger Guerreiro in order to rush them into the national side. Needless to say, when these creatures took to the field I actually wanted Poland to lose (not that Poland needs much encouragement in that department...
Then we have the case of the Croatian internationals Josip Simunic, Anthony Seric, and Joe Didulica. Despite being born in Australia, these scrotes opted to represent Croatia. Their parents migrated here and were given a chanceof the proverbial "better life", yet their children turned their back onthe country (the garlic-breathed parents were doubtlessly gushing with pride).To top things off, Simunic and Seric were both beneficiaries of taxpayer-funded scholarships to the Australian Institute of Sport. That's gratitude - and, sadly,these clowns are white...
Just to finish off this rant, Ill mention Tim Cahill. Let's just say that I'm less than happy that Australia's key striker is half-Samoan. Cahill actually played for Samoa at under-20 level - that is common knowledge in Australia, but what's not so well advertised is that Cahill had also previously wished to play for Ireland, a nation hewas eligible to represent through his paternal grandfather. Nice, isn't it?
EDIT: I don't know what's happened with the font size and spacing in the second half of this post - sorry for the "cramped" appearance...Edited by: Rebajlo
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Deadlift said:
I think you misunderstood me. All I meant that as you move geographically around the world races often tramsform gradually. Take whites for instance. As you move out of southerm Sudan (all hardcore black) throughthe sahara into northern Sudan, the people quickly get a lot browner. This browness lightens further as you move into Egypt and by the time you get to north egypt you can meet people of a European colour (ie - red hair, lightish eyes), you then pop across the sea to Turkey and there are way more of these people, although there are still quite a lot of relatively brown skinned people. One country later and youre in Greece - appearance wise they are now practically fully white, and just one border away from the balkans and slavik peoples.
By this im not saying by any means that we are not seperate from blacks - just that there is no one place where all other races end and the white race suddenly begins - no absolute marker.
Anyway - please dont get stressed if you dont agree with this view. Its not worth the grey hairs!
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<div>accesscrimea - ha, ha, I was waiting for You or someone else to bring up the example of Ryan Giggs. Giggs' father is an African-Welsh mulatto and his mother is Welsh, so that technically makes him "one quarter" black - which in Rebajlo's strict book means that, despite his appearance, he isn't white. He may look white enough, but he still has African background, has often complained about racist abuse that he suffered as a kid, and is therefore, in all probability, very sympathetic to blacks and would be appalled at the views presented by our good selves here at Caste Football. Here's a photo of a young Giggs' with his father:</div>
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<div>I recall watching an F.A. Cup Final (I believe that it was the 1996 match in which United beat Liverpool) during which the black commentator and then recently-retired "footballer" (and all-round prize idiot) John Fashanu kept proudly bleating that "you've gotta rememba tha' Ryan Giggs' fava is black, his fava's an African, ho, ho, ho". If Giggs had looked more like his father (and that could well have been the case - phenotypes can be fickle), then You would not have used him as an example, although his "pedigree" would have been exactly the same. His black genes, however, are still lurking beneath the surface and "African" features may pop up in his grandchildren - I certainly wouldn't wish the likes of Giggs to marry my sister or daughter (that's if I actually had a sister or a daughter). I know that this sounds very brutal, but society should draw a strict line - such an attitude would discourage the growth of the so-called "mixed race" demographic and simultaneously help to preserve Whites as a distinct race.</div>
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<div>Thrashen - Kuranyi was born in Brazil to a father of German/Hungarian descent (the surname is an instant giveaway) who was himself born in Hungary. Kuranyi was also eligible to play for Brazil, Hungary and Panama - a thoroughly ridiculous situation. In all honesty, his German connections were rather  tenuous - he only moved to Germany when he was something like fifteen years of age. </div>
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<div>That's the problem with the lax rules regarding so-called "eligibility" - all manner of potential permutations arise. In the late 1990s, Germany "naturalised" and used the likes of another Brazilian with distant German ancestry, Paulo Rink, and the half-German Swiss Oliver Neuville. Rink's grandfather or great-grandfather (I cannot quite recall which) had emigrated to Brazil and the player signed for Bayer Leverkusen in his early twenties. Despite the fact that he is white (although one never knows with Brazilians), it's ultimately the principle that matters.</div>
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<div>These "eligibility through grandparents" and "living in a country for x amount of years" criteria are rubbish. In the early 1980s, the Republic of Ireland began scrounging around for British-born players of Irish descent. This resulted in the likes of English-born part-Italian Tony Cascarino being selected for Ireland due to his supposedly Irish grandfather. It was later revealed that his mother had been adopted so he did not, in fact, have any Irish blood at all. Ray Houghton was born in Scotland, yet played for Ireland due to having an Irish father. Both of these men never played club football in the Republic. </div>
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<div>On a related note, infamous Watford-born testicle-grabbing hardman Vinnie Jones made several appearances for Wales, qualifying through his grandfather. This lowered the meaning of representing one's country and people to shameful absurdity - Jones had previously taken to posing in an Ireland shirt and was running his mouth about how Irish he felt when he believed that he was eligible for the Republic.</div>
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<div>Poland have expedited the granting of citizenship to the loathesome Nigerian Emmanuel Olisadebe and the equally undesirable Brazilian Roger Guerreiro in order to rush them into the national side. Needless to say, when these creatures took to the field I actually wanted Poland to lose (not that Poland needs much encouragement in that department...). More recently, Poland have naturalised and capped a French midfielder, Ludovic Obraniak, on the basis of his Polish grandfather. This is utter farce - the guy is technically only one quarter Polish, doesn't speak the language and, prior to flying in to join the squad, had never even set foot in the country. What the hell is he doing in a Poland shirt?</div>
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<div>Then we have the case of the Croatian internationals Josip Simunic, Anthony Seric, and Joe Didulica. Despite being born in Australia, these scrotes opted to represent Croatia. Their parents migrated here and were given a chance of the proverbial "better life", yet their children turned their back on the country (the garlic-breathed parents were doubtlessly gushing with pride). To top things off, Simunic and Seric were both beneficiaries of taxpayer-funded scholarships to the Australian Institute of Sport. That's gratitude - and, sadly, these clowns are white...</div>
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<div>Just to finish off this rant, Ill mention Tim Cahill. Let's just say that I'm less than happy that Australia's key striker is half-Samoan. Cahill actually played for Samoa at under-20 level - that is common knowledge in Australia, but what's not so well advertised is that Cahill had also previously wished to play for Ireland, a nation he was eligible to represent through his paternal grandfather. Nice, isn't it?</div>
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Excellent post on the ridiculous state of affairs. Owen hargreaves played for England ,although he was born in Canada. Granted, his father was born in England but he left because he thought it was better to live in Canada. Now his son gets to play for the England team because they are much better than Canada. He could have played for Wales and Germany also.
Spain wanted Messi to play for them. Almunia wanted to play for England because he had been in the country 5 years.
What about the Algerians who call themselves French, but then play for Algeria. Or Boateng of Germany playing for Ghana I think.
It's only going to get worse with the European Union and all the moving around people are doing.Couple that with all the immigration and the national teams will be meaningless in terms of ethnicity and nationality.
That's why Spain and Italy are probably the two teams to cheer for now.Although, Italy had a Argentinian on their team, Camronesi.He might be hurt this time.
The US had Feilhaber and Reyna play for the National team although they were born in South America.
There is Zakuani who plays for the Seattle Sounders who came from London to play in the US. Get this joke. He was born in Zaire and then moved to London. First, why allow these people to emigrate to England.Then he gets a college scholarship to Akron, a state school.So the American taxpayers paid for a guy born in African who is from London to get a scholarship. It's mind boggling.
Are we here to give opportunities to Americans or Africans.
The Brazilians are all over the place. They shouldn't be playing for European clubs or national teams.
Watch out for Ireland's team in 20 years.It will be composed of Nigerians, Poles and probably a North African or 2.
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Agreed Europe, just one thing I'd like to point out. Argentina is a white nation in South America.So the Argentine you mentioned is most likely full blooded Italian. Lionel Messi can trace his ancestry all the way back to when his great grandfather emigrated to Argentina in 1883! It is composed of Italians, Spanish, and even some German and Irish thrown in the mix as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Argentine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Argentine
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Argentine, Chile and Uruguay - the 3 southernmost nations in S.America are white nations. Paraguay is fairly white too. The rest of south America is a mix of white, black, and native. In general the further north you go the more blacks there are.
celticdb15 said:
I know they are white,more white than the US now, but their ancestors left, so why should they get to play for the European National Teams or even the club teams? Europe wasn't good enough for them, so they took off, just like my ancestors in the 1800's. Why should I get a spot on one of their club teams and be able to make millions over someone who has stayed there and has a kid? If they are going to import players, I would rather have whites from South America or the US rather than Africans or Turks though.