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They're at it again :dork:

Kirkland Beats Molina By Controversial Disqualification


Reliant Arena, Houston, Texas – Carlos Molina (19-5-2, 6KOs) was winning the fight, but lost a controversial ten round disqualification to James Kirkland (31-1, 27KOs) in a WBC final eliminator. At the time of the stoppage, Molina was ahead with scores of 88-83, 87-84 and the third judge had a terrible score of 86-85 for Kirkland.

http://www.boxingscene.com/kirkland-beats-molina-by-controversial-disqualification--51014
 
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The racial bias gets more and more obvious as lots of :afro: bruvas (not all of them, to be fair) on internet agree with the ref saying Molina was "cheating" and held a lot during the fight. But when Ward and Hopkins do this, it's called inside fighting and "boxing science".

Molina keeps getting screwed, poor bastard.
 
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It looks like this is the last we will be hearing of this "great black dope." Hopefully he's not paralyzed and recovers, but other than that good riddance.


[h=1]Paul Williams in bad motorcycle accident[/h] [FONT=Arial Narrow, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT] WRDW-TV in Atlanta is reporting that former welterweight and jr middleweight world champion Paul Williams was involved in a tragic Sunday morning motorcycle crash near Atlanta that has likely left him paralyzed from the waist down. Williams is said to be conscious and alert. Manager George Peterson told the station that surgery to help stabilize the healthy upper half of his spine by putting a protective wall around it is scheduled for Wednesday.
It was just confirmed last week that Williams would challenge WBC super welterweight world champion Saul ¨Canelo¨ Alvarez on September 15 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas.
 

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It looks like this is the last we will be hearing of this "great black dope." Hopefully he's not paralyzed and recovers, but other than that good riddance.


Paul Williams in bad motorcycle accident

WRDW-TV in Atlanta is reporting that former welterweight and jr middleweight world champion Paul Williams was involved in a tragic Sunday morning motorcycle crash near Atlanta that has likely left him paralyzed from the waist down. Williams is said to be conscious and alert. Manager George Peterson told the station that surgery to help stabilize the healthy upper half of his spine by putting a protective wall around it is scheduled for Wednesday.
It was just confirmed last week that Williams would challenge WBC super welterweight world champion Saul ¨Canelo¨ Alvarez on September 15 at the MGM Grand Garden Arena Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas.
Yeah, I hope he is not paralyzed. To be fair P Williams had some ability. He fought all comers or those who chose to step inside the ring when he was considered "the most feared fighter at 154 / 160 lbs". Sergio Martinez forever ruined him with terrible brain shaking KO an erased that aura of his invincablity. Last night Johnny Tapia found dead in his home, only 45 yrs old, now this! P Williams was not a bad guy, just could not speak basic English. Hope he can walk again.
 

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Paul Williams has always seemed to me to be a good negro. I've never seen him behave disrespectfully or arrogant, and he is usually relaxed and friendly.

Williams wasn't highly skilled or athletic, but he had a wingspan of 82" (wider than Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko) which is very unusual for someone who fights at 147-160 and gave him an advantage. He displayed Calzaghe-like stamina with an amazingly high work rate in the late rounds of his fights.
 

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More news is coming in regarding the terrible motorcycle accident Williams was in. The good news is that he will have upper body movement and feelings. The bad news, he is paralyzed below the waist. He will never fight again. What happened to him is the reason I don't ride motorcycles.

We here at CF have gone on rightly so about the perferential treatment black fighters get on HBO and Showtime. But If I were black I would take advantage of them as well, I have to live and eat. Williams was doing what any professional athelet would do, get paid.

How depressing, he had just locked up a major PPV fight with Canelo Alvarez and the additional money and glamour to follow if he had won. Now this and his life as an elite boxer, just a hope & memory. Life is short, and I try to watch my every move or step I make now a days. Riding motorcycles will never be a part of it.
 

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More news is coming in regarding the terrible motorcycle accident Williams was in. The good news is that he will have upper body movement and feelings. The bad news, he is paralyzed below the waist. He will never fight again. What happened to him is the reason I don't ride motorcycles.

We here at CF have gone on rightly so about the perferential treatment black fighters get on HBO and Showtime. But If I were black I would take advantage of them as well, I have to live and eat. Williams was doing what any professional athelet would do, get paid.

How depressing, he had just locked up a major PPV fight with Canelo Alvarez and the additional money and glamour to follow if he had won. Now this and his life as an elite boxer, just a hope & memory. Life is short, and I try to watch my every move or step I make now a days. Riding motorcycles will never be a part of it.
Around the time I was a high school senior I was gung ho on getting my M license. I didn't get it because I knew 2 guys who wiped out and shattered their knee caps. Of course this would be "good news" for Williams. Boxing has had a history of fighters dieing in motorcycle accidents. I recall Victor Galindez dieing, James Shuler dieing, Diego Corrales dieing and maybe Craig “Gatorâ€￾ Bodzianowski losing a leg in an accident too.
 

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It wasn't Williams doing that HBO tried to build him up the way they did. He seemed an honest fighter who always tried to bring it. Reminds me of James Shuler, who got flattened by Tommy Hearns back in the day, then died young. Boxers just seem to have a violent aura about them or something.
 

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It looks like Jones is trying to weasel out of fighting Lebedev.

[h=1]Guillermo Jones Update[/h] By Gabriel F. Cordero
One source has indicated that the WBA Panamanian cruiserweight world champion Guillermo Jones is requesting special permission from the WBA to fight journeyman Joell Godfrey (14-7-1, 6 KOs) in a ten round heavyweight bout on June 23. However Jones is due to make a mandatory defense against Dennis Lebedev. The WBA will consider Jones’ request and respond within 10 days.
 

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Kid Chocolate Quillian, HBO and Showtime's great black affelet fought great pro Winky Wright tonight. Wright who had not fought in 3 years and is 40 yrs old could not pull the trigger or perform like he did 8 years ago.

During the fight, Quillian got tired in the 7th round. Wright, being out of the ring and 40 yrs old could not step on the gas and turn the fight around. Alot of the time both held and appeared to be slow dancing, or catching their wind. He lost a UD to Quillian.

Quillian is awkward and has some quickness in his hands, but if fights Martinez, Sturm or Pirog he gets KTFO in the championship rounds.
 

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I watched a couple rounds and could see where the fight was going. Nowhere. So I went out into the orchard and watched the almonds grow for a while. They were more exciting.

Showtime?

More like Naptime.
 

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Tonight another one of HBO's favorite affelets, Tim Bradley is in a big PPV with PFP King Manny Pacquaio at 147 lbs. At the weigh in yesterday many people were blown away by Bradley's ripped phyisic. Some are saying that Pacman looked soft at 147. I disagree. He looked ok. People forget that fighters with huge muscles became tight and fatigued later in the championship rounds. Fighters that are lean most always win against the muscle bound fighters, Joe Calzadge for example. The only muscle bound fighter I can remember who had stamina and reflexes in the late rounds was a prime Mike Tyson.

Prediction: Pacquiao with a late TKO or UD.
 

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Tonight another one of HBO's favorite affelets, Tim Bradley is in a big PPV with PFP King Manny Pacquaio at 147 lbs. At the weigh in yesterday many people were blown away by Bradley's ripped phyisic. Some are saying that Pacman looked soft at 147. I disagree. He looked ok. People forget that fighters with huge muscles became tight and fatigued later in the championship rounds. Fighters that are lean most always win against the muscle bound fighters, Joe Calzadge for example. The only muscle bound fighter I can remember who had stamina and reflexes in the late rounds was a prime Mike Tyson.

Prediction: Pacquiao with a late TKO or UD.
You better be right Westside if the rumours of Pacman needing an advance from "Uncle" Bob Arum are true. It sounds like Mike Tyson all over again....
 

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Manny absolutely has to win tonight to have any chance of a fight with Gayweather in the future. True, Gayweather has been ducking him but eventually I think the fight goes through. Too much money for that clown to let pass by. Manny has been less than impressive in his last few fights.
 

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My prediction still stands. Pacman with a UD, no matter what those crooked / paid off judges scored.

There are tweets from famous athletes, both black and white stating that Manny was ripped off, big time.

The MSM / Boxing media likewise are saying that this is most corrupt/inexplicable decision of all time, regarding big fights. Some are saying it ranks with the 1st Lewis vs Holyfield fight. I agree, even more so.

There have bee rumors that Pacman is going to end his business relationship with Uncle Jew Arum and go with Golden Boy. Arum realizing this, fixed the fight in Bradley's favor, as to keep control of the title and the money that goes with it. I suspect some hosing against Manny by rabbi Bob.

Bradley, I liked until he displayed TNB at the weigh in. In the rematch Manny will leave no doubt with Bradley drapped over the rope ala Wlad style.
 

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My prediction still stands. Pacman with a UD, no matter what those crooked / paid off judges scored.

There are tweets from famous athletes, both black and white stating that Manny was ripped off, big time.

The MSM / Boxing media likewise are saying that this is most corrupt/inexplicable decision of all time, regarding big fights. Some are saying it ranks with the 1st Lewis vs Holyfield fight. I agree, even more so.

There have bee rumors that Pacman is going to end his business relationship with Uncle Jew Arum and go with Golden Boy. Arum realizing this, fixed the fight in Bradley's favor, as to keep control of the title and the money that goes with it. I suspect some hosing against Manny by rabbi Bob.

Bradley, I liked until he displayed TNB at the weigh in. In the rematch Manny will leave no doubt with Bradley drapped over the rope ala Wlad style.

Can't they somehow reverse the decision? A blatant robbery like this shouldn't be able to stand.
 
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Can't they somehow reverse the decision? A blatant robbery like this shouldn't be able to stand.

I hope they do as well, there is no way Pacquiao should enter the ring next time as a challenger after a clear (as expected) domination (in a rather unexciting fight) like that.
As soon as i heard the ridiculously close first score 115-113 for Pacquiao, i was quite sure the robbery was going to happen.

Ironically most people thought there was a chance Bradley would himself get robbed and expected him to do as much as Marquez but an undefeated and overrated Bradley is more marketable than a 38 year old veteran and since the Pacquiao-Mayweather will most likely never happen, the crooked promoters went for the idea to cash in on a pointless Pacquiao - Bradley rematch despite the fact Pacquiao was the obvious winner in their first fight.
 
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Can't they somehow reverse the decision? A blatant robbery like this shouldn't be able to stand.

My friend, that's Jewish dominated America of today you are talking about, the Negroes have to win even if they leave the ring dead :)
 

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For those who r wondering , the next big affelet that HBO will be pushing is Adrian Boner. He is worse that Mayweather as a sportsman. I hope his next fight he lands on his back unconsciously .
 

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Can't they somehow reverse the decision? A blatant robbery like this shouldn't be able to stand.



The Nevada sports commission investigated the decision and found it to be fair and square with no monkey business whatsoever.

That's like John Gotti Jr. investigating John Gotti Sr. - or Israeli occupied Washington investigating the Israeli sneak attack on the USS Liberty - or the 911 Cover Up Commission investigating 911.
 
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I think it is incredible how much boxing has fallen out of fashion and how clearly, in the past, when it was heavily promoted, it had been used as a tool of social engineering (i.e. to reinforce the idea of unquestionably dominant black strength and masculinity).

At the apex of this promotion, during the Ali years, it was clearly linked with the civil rights movement and seemed to be, in my opinion, deliberately used for political propaganda purposes. To the liberal media bosses it contained the perfect implied metaphor, blacks literally fighting their way to liberation (when of course this has never been the case with blacks in America. In every instance they have been granted rights and now privileges out of white pity and never truly winning them for themselves.) In the most primal way, by showing blacks physically dominate whites along with other blacks, it may have been one of the most effective appeals to men that blacks in fact deserved greater rights.

However much the media implies a lust on the part of whites for a "white hope" in boxing (and thereby eliminates this desire-making it appear pathetic and vindictive) this simply does not exist among white fans. There seems to be a very mild interest in a white American boxer that is even tepidly condoned (in some instances). Though this is perhaps because of the feeling that white American men are so psychologically demoralized, if able to achieve a token representation in boxing, they could nevertheless never really pose a threat to black dominance. But whites having a purely racial allegiance to a boxer as blacks clearly and rightfully have to their own boxers? Completely unacceptable.

The fear, in my opinion, is of a Max Schemling, a boxer, whatever his personal political views, who essentially represents an avatar or hero of his people. This already exists with the Klitschko Brothers though by the minimizing of boxing (once massively promoted when it was useful to liberals and multiculturalists) they have effectively censored the idea that white men can be physically dominant to blacks. Masters of demoralization they are! Though the K brothers do get coverage in Europe...

I personally, despite being an American, have no special interest in an American White Hope. Certainly I will root for all white athletes particularly in contests where they are pitted against non-whites (with no offense intended to the latter. I mean we are talking family here). And I will root for the individual white athlete when he is pitted against his kinsman if he is the one who shows the most promise for dominance. However, I admit to being attracted to the idea of Eastern Europeans being the dominant specimen. They seemed to represent the white man in an earlier, healthier, stronger form. It delivers an important lesson. That a harder existence produces a stronger man. Go K brothers.
 
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I think it is incredible how much boxing has fallen out of fashion and how clearly, in the past, when it was heavily promoted, it had been used as a tool of social engineering (i.e. to reinforce the idea of unquestionably dominant black strength and masculinity).

At the apex of this promotion, during the Ali years, it was clearly linked with the civil rights movement and seemed to be, in my opinion, deliberately used for political propaganda purposes. To the liberal media bosses it contained the perfect implied metaphor, blacks literally fighting their way to liberation (when of course this has never been the case with blacks in America. In every instance they have been granted rights and now privileges out of white pity and never truly winning them for themselves.) In the most primal way, by showing blacks physically dominate whites along with other blacks, it may have been one of the most effective appeals to men that blacks in fact deserved greater rights.

However much the media implies a lust on the part of whites for a "white hope" in boxing (and thereby eliminates this desire-making it appear pathetic and vindictive) this simply does not exist among white fans. There seems to be a very mild interest in a white American boxer that is even tepidly condoned (in some instances). Though this is perhaps because of the feeling that white American men are so psychologically demoralized, if able to achieve a token representation in boxing, they could nevertheless never really pose a threat to black dominance. But whites having a purely racial allegiance to a boxer as blacks clearly and rightfully have to their own boxers? Completely unacceptable.

The fear, in my opinion, is of a Max Schemling, a boxer, whatever his personal political views, who essentially represents an avatar or hero of his people. This already exists with the Klitschko Brothers though by the minimizing of boxing (once massively promoted when it was useful to liberals and multiculturalists) they have effectively censored the idea that white men can be physically dominant to blacks. Masters of demoralization they are! Though the K brothers do get coverage in Europe...

I personally, despite being an American, have no special interest in an American White Hope. Certainly I will root for all white athletes particularly in contests where they are pitted against non-whites (with no offense intended to the latter. I mean we are talking family here). And I will root for the individual white athlete when he is pitted against his kinsman if he is the one who shows the most promise for dominance. However, I admit to being attracted to the idea of Eastern Europeans being the dominant specimen. They seemed to represent the white man in an earlier, healthier, stronger form. It delivers an important lesson. That a harder existence produces a stronger man. Go K brothers.
Excellent post.
 
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I think it is incredible how much boxing has fallen out of fashion and how clearly, in the past, when it was heavily promoted, it had been used as a tool of social engineering (i.e. to reinforce the idea of unquestionably dominant black strength and masculinity).

At the apex of this promotion, during the Ali years, it was clearly linked with the civil rights movement and seemed to be, in my opinion, deliberately used for political propaganda purposes. To the liberal media bosses it contained the perfect implied metaphor, blacks literally fighting their way to liberation (when of course this has never been the case with blacks in America. In every instance they have been granted rights and now privileges out of white pity and never truly winning them for themselves.) In the most primal way, by showing blacks physically dominate whites along with other blacks, it may have been one of the most effective appeals to men that blacks in fact deserved greater rights.

However much the media implies a lust on the part of whites for a "white hope" in boxing (and thereby eliminates this desire-making it appear pathetic and vindictive) this simply does not exist among white fans. There seems to be a very mild interest in a white American boxer that is even tepidly condoned (in some instances). Though this is perhaps because of the feeling that white American men are so psychologically demoralized, if able to achieve a token representation in boxing, they could nevertheless never really pose a threat to black dominance. But whites having a purely racial allegiance to a boxer as blacks clearly and rightfully have to their own boxers? Completely unacceptable.

The fear, in my opinion, is of a Max Schemling, a boxer, whatever his personal political views, who essentially represents an avatar or hero of his people. This already exists with the Klitschko Brothers though by the minimizing of boxing (once massively promoted when it was useful to liberals and multiculturalists) they have effectively censored the idea that white men can be physically dominant to blacks. Masters of demoralization they are! Though the K brothers do get coverage in Europe...

I personally, despite being an American, have no special interest in an American White Hope. Certainly I will root for all white athletes particularly in contests where they are pitted against non-whites (with no offense intended to the latter. I mean we are talking family here). And I will root for the individual white athlete when he is pitted against his kinsman if he is the one who shows the most promise for dominance. However, I admit to being attracted to the idea of Eastern Europeans being the dominant specimen. They seemed to represent the white man in an earlier, healthier, stronger form. It delivers an important lesson. That a harder existence produces a stronger man. Go K brothers.

Very good post. It's striking to me that most Americans don't even know who the Klitschko brothers are. They have a vague sense that there is some Russian boxer or two out there that are supposed to be good, but probably not as good as most black boxers. That's how much boxing is suppressed these days. When I was a kid in the 1970s, boxing was heavily promoted. Even though I was never a huge fan, I certainly knew who Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Young, Shavers, Spinks, and even Jerry Quarry were. I would like to see an American White Hope in boxing, because that phenomenon would piss off all the right people. I doubt we will see it, though. Any white fighter that good is probably going to go into MMA.
 

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Thank you for the compliments! I guess a great white american boxer might have the advantage of getting the occasional press coverage stateside. Then again, with boxing in its current "state of decline" (ahem...golden age), I wouldn't count on it.

Yes, NO ONE knows who the Klitschko Brothers are in America, yet the much inferior boxer by every measure, Tyson, is a household name and even treasured American icon. That the Klitschkos are literally gentleman and scholars while Tyson a completely degenerate ex-convict seems to be all the more reason the latter is promoted while the former ignored. It seems essential that they associate manliness with criminality and barbarity.
 
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