Jack Lambert
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Yeah, I would've liked to see him at BYU too. But at least Harbaugh knows how to use white RBs.
Brandon Bourbon - RB 2010
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ToughJ.Riggins
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BYU already has J.J DiLuiggi and Jerry Bruner, but those guys are two or three years ahead of Bourbon.
I think Bourbon would be best served picking BYU, Vanderbilt or Kansas State (in that order of preference). Stanford already has Gaffney as potentially the next Gerhart.
I think Bourbon would be best served picking BYU, Vanderbilt or Kansas State (in that order of preference). Stanford already has Gaffney as potentially the next Gerhart.
Colonel_Reb
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BYU also has RB Mike Hague returning this year, and he'll just be a Sophomore.
Jimmy Chitwood
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i'm torn in a situation like this. on the one hand, i want every good White back who signs a scholarship to become a starter ... on the other hand, i know that most programs will move them to another position after nevergiving thema legitimate shot. so in that line of thinking, the more White skill guys at one school the better, because surely one of them will become the featured guy.
regardless, i wish all these young men the absolute best in their future.
regardless, i wish all these young men the absolute best in their future.
Stanford:
http://www.rivals.com/content.asp?cid=973335
A question that Bourbon has had to deal with a lot during his recruiting process is where he fits in on the football field. He maintains that Coach Harbaugh does not have any doubts about where he will be on the football field.
"It's definitely at the running back position," Bourbon said. "They were the first school to offer me and Coach Harbaugh always tells me that he has been sold on me from day one at running back. As far as all the rankings and projections go, Coach actually told me that they had me ranked as like the 13th best player on their recruiting boards."
I like this move. I also like it because I think it will hasten the rumor that Phillips is about to commit to BYU.
http://www.rivals.com/content.asp?cid=973335
A question that Bourbon has had to deal with a lot during his recruiting process is where he fits in on the football field. He maintains that Coach Harbaugh does not have any doubts about where he will be on the football field.
"It's definitely at the running back position," Bourbon said. "They were the first school to offer me and Coach Harbaugh always tells me that he has been sold on me from day one at running back. As far as all the rankings and projections go, Coach actually told me that they had me ranked as like the 13th best player on their recruiting boards."
I like this move. I also like it because I think it will hasten the rumor that Phillips is about to commit to BYU.
Colonel_Reb
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I prefer to see Brandon and Drew somewhere besides BYU. Even though it is friendly to whites, its not the place for every white player, or even most, imho. If you aren't Mormon, there is a lot of emphasis placed on trying to turn you into one. Its just not the place to be if you want to focus on school and football without someone trying to change you and your beliefs. It would be great to see a bunch of white RBs loading up the roster at BYU, but I'd rather see them all be Mormons.
There are other schools where other white RBs can get a fair shot. Drew would be a good fit at Central Michigan or Wyoming. Brandon would be a good fit at Kansas, Kansas State, Vanderbilt, or Stanford.
There are other schools where other white RBs can get a fair shot. Drew would be a good fit at Central Michigan or Wyoming. Brandon would be a good fit at Kansas, Kansas State, Vanderbilt, or Stanford.
ToughJ.Riggins
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It's a conservative choice committing Stanford IMO. The coaching staff has raved about Brandon's ability (they had him ranked as the 13th best tailback for 2009 supposedly). Stanford is about as fair as it gets (for an FBS team), but he may not get serious PT until his senior year- even a small possibility he never sees much action.
Stanford got another very elite full sized tailback recruit last year (Tyler Gaffney) who is well known for his dominance in the Cardinal's very state. They got another big back who is pretty impressive (Stepfan Taylor). Stanford also got another real sleeper last class from Cali- who could be a great complementary scatback if he can add some muscle (Usua Amanam). I doubt even Stanford would have a 1-2 "big Caucasian tailback" punch. We'll have to see how this shapes out, but I would have preferred if he committed to Vanderbilt (or Kansas State as a close second). These two schools have far less talent in their backfields other than VU's Jared Hawkins (who will be graduating) and KSU's only talent is Logan Dold. Dold's a big time talent for a non contending program like KSU, but he doesn't have as much ability as Bourbon if I recall my viewing of their game tape.
Stanford got another very elite full sized tailback recruit last year (Tyler Gaffney) who is well known for his dominance in the Cardinal's very state. They got another big back who is pretty impressive (Stepfan Taylor). Stanford also got another real sleeper last class from Cali- who could be a great complementary scatback if he can add some muscle (Usua Amanam). I doubt even Stanford would have a 1-2 "big Caucasian tailback" punch. We'll have to see how this shapes out, but I would have preferred if he committed to Vanderbilt (or Kansas State as a close second). These two schools have far less talent in their backfields other than VU's Jared Hawkins (who will be graduating) and KSU's only talent is Logan Dold. Dold's a big time talent for a non contending program like KSU, but he doesn't have as much ability as Bourbon if I recall my viewing of their game tape.
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I pretty much second what you guys have said about Brandon choosing Stanford. Yeah it's nice to go to a school where you know you will play tailback, but you have to take into consideration who is ahead of you on the depth chart. They recruited 3 rbs last year as Tough J pointed out and it's highly doubtful he will be able to start in the near future he might have to wait until he is a redshirt Senior! I think some guys just need to take the chance and go to a less prestigious yet fair school to hone their skills!
Jimmy Chitwood
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Vanderbilt has a very talented big back, but he is now listed as a fullback/h-back and has bulked up considerably. his name is Ryan van Rensburg, and he averaged 14 yards per carry as a senior en route to being namedas one ofFlorida's Top 25 players.
of course, all thosenumbers= blocking fullback if you're white. even if you're an African American.
Van Rensburgwas born inSouth Africa.
of course, all thosenumbers= blocking fullback if you're white. even if you're an African American.
Van Rensburgwas born inSouth Africa.
FootballDad
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Brandon Bourbon verbally committed to Stanford. He is having an unbelievable year so far, heck, he averaged 50 yards a carry on Friday night. Here is a summary line from a recruiting blog. This kid is the real deal, even though his melanin level seems to be low:
"RB Brandon Bourbon, 6-2, 215, 4.36, 38 VJ, 3.97 SH, 130 SBJ, Potosi, Missouri - Bourbon shocked the sports world in Missouri on Friday night as he rushed for a "mind-boggling" 451 yards and scored six touchdowns on only nine carries. He had 2 touchdownsin the first 26 secondsof the game. On the first playof the game, he ran54 yards for a touchdown andthen Potosi recovered the kickoff on their 19 yard line and on the next play, he ran 19 yards for his second touchdown.This puts Bourbon right at 1,500 yards rushingin his first sixgames and with 18 touchdowns."
"RB Brandon Bourbon, 6-2, 215, 4.36, 38 VJ, 3.97 SH, 130 SBJ, Potosi, Missouri - Bourbon shocked the sports world in Missouri on Friday night as he rushed for a "mind-boggling" 451 yards and scored six touchdowns on only nine carries. He had 2 touchdownsin the first 26 secondsof the game. On the first playof the game, he ran54 yards for a touchdown andthen Potosi recovered the kickoff on their 19 yard line and on the next play, he ran 19 yards for his second touchdown.This puts Bourbon right at 1,500 yards rushingin his first sixgames and with 18 touchdowns."
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Welcome to the board Fotball dad!! Those are some sick stats. Like I said Stanford is getting a hell of a player in Bourbon!
FootballDad
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Yes. I think that Bourbon will be even better than Toby Gerhart as he has better speed and quickness, and close to the same power. Of course, he will be stigmatized by the media as not having a "second gear" as he runs away from the opposing affletes.
I have a vested interest in breaking the castes as my 12 year old son is a monster running back and linebacker for his Pop Warner team, which made it to the Florida Pop Warner championships last year.
I have a vested interest in breaking the castes as my 12 year old son is a monster running back and linebacker for his Pop Warner team, which made it to the Florida Pop Warner championships last year.
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FootballDad said:
It's awesome you coach Pop Warner football, FD. I myself played center and middle linebacker on a Pop Warner team that made it to the championship game in 2000. We lost 8-0 in the national championship game on an interception returned for a touchdown.
Most Pop Warner teams are based in suburbs and are usually majority white. There was only one black player on my team in 2000. My father still coaches for the same organization, that is 95% white. It's good to teach children the right way to play at a young age.
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Yeah, my son (# 22 in this youtube clip) is a big fan. I haven't heard much about him since thatvideo that you note, and that was two years ago. Cody is currently a sophomore at Los Alamitos (L.A. CA area), and doesn't have any stats so far. The star afflete running back is a guy named Nick Richardson, who has put up decent numbers this year. In photos I've seen, Cody needs to grow a bit, he looks barely bigger than he was when he played in Pop Warner.
FootballDad
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Everyone likes a Brandon Bourbon update. Yesterday in the regional playoff game, Brandonsped for 254 yards........on just 7 carries! Over 36 yards per carry. He scored 3 touchdowns, from 52, 47, and 72 yards out. Needless to say, Petosi routed overmatched Dexter 56-20.
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Thanks for the info FD!
Brandon really seems like a young phenom in the making. His stats are unreal! I look forward to seeing him at Stanford.
Brandon really seems like a young phenom in the making. His stats are unreal! I look forward to seeing him at Stanford.
FootballDad
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We'll see how he does. Of course, he's going to have to beat out the existing backs at Stanford, and fellow recruit, highly touted and ranked afflete Anthony Wilkerson for playing time. Wilkerson is a good back, more of a straight-ahead runner than Brandon. BB gets slack on the recruiting sites for playing against "inferior competition" as for why his stats are what they are, while Wilkerson is the next "Beanie Wells", even though his Century Southern section league in Orange County (CA)is not that strong either.
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I'm surprised that Coach Harbough hasn't been accused of bein' raciss by the NAACP for recruiting too many whites at HB. The three white RBs means that there's three brothas on the streets that should be gettin their education at Stanford. The white boys will be fine anyway. That's why we need quotas, AA, minority scholarships, set-asides, and welfare cause the white boys are gonna be okay because everything in society give them an advantage because of their skin color! No, I'm not contradicting myself at all. YEAH RIGHT!
Go Brandon Bourbon and Go Cardinal! I gonna make a bold prediction that by 2015 about 25 of the current 120 FBS school will be starting whites at HB. In fact, it will be a cool thing and sports illustrated will talking about the resurgence of the white running back! Of course, the article will put whites down in other ways, and give plenty of backhanded compliments to the white players, but hey that's how things change.
As Don and many others have alluded too, the black talent pool is ever shrinking due to fractured families (to say the least), criminal punishment, lack of educational attainment, disease/sickness, alternative lifestyles, and general apathy towards cohesive organized activities that whites have always enjoyed. The Caste system will be stressing due the lack of positive examples to reinforce the need of the caste system!
Go Brandon Bourbon and Go Cardinal! I gonna make a bold prediction that by 2015 about 25 of the current 120 FBS school will be starting whites at HB. In fact, it will be a cool thing and sports illustrated will talking about the resurgence of the white running back! Of course, the article will put whites down in other ways, and give plenty of backhanded compliments to the white players, but hey that's how things change.
As Don and many others have alluded too, the black talent pool is ever shrinking due to fractured families (to say the least), criminal punishment, lack of educational attainment, disease/sickness, alternative lifestyles, and general apathy towards cohesive organized activities that whites have always enjoyed. The Caste system will be stressing due the lack of positive examples to reinforce the need of the caste system!
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FootballDad said:
FootballDad, nice clips of the team and of your son! I actually feel a little bad for the other team, as it looks like they never had a chance. But that's life and it's important to take your lumps and know how to bounce back, because never will everything in life go your way. Aside from that great running and moves by your son! Have you gotten him into sprinting at all? Also, it looks like he enjoys putting on athletic moves. Speed training workouts can vastly improve that! There are programs that are tailored to different ages. I don't know what you have in the area, but it's possible to even get the equipment and run the program for the team. It greatly improves speed, quickness, balance, and agility.
FootballDad
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Part of the reason that Stanford has been recruiting white folks is because the admission (and graduation) requirements are so high. It's easy to give a kid a scholarship, but at Stanford you are actually expected to go to some of your classes.
As for your prediction, it could come to pass, but it willonly be because of the recognition of the problem. White kids need to realize that they ARE as talented (or more so) as the afroletes, and to stop compromising and converting to caste-friendly positions.
As for your prediction, it could come to pass, but it willonly be because of the recognition of the problem. White kids need to realize that they ARE as talented (or more so) as the afroletes, and to stop compromising and converting to caste-friendly positions.
ToughJ.Riggins
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6-2, 215, 4.36, 38 VJ, 3.97 SH: Wow Brandon's numbers are ridiculous for a fully sized back. If this kid continues to show the instincts and vision he shows in H.S at the next level- he could be even better than Gerhart with a little less power. What impresses me even more about these numbers is that this guy has a +.39 agility number with an already blazing 4.36 40 time. So this guy is big, very fast, when he cuts he barely slows down at all and to top this off he can even jump over tacklers!
ToughJ.Riggins
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What was his broad jump? It says 130 SBJ, so that can't be correct unless he's an alien lol. The SS is indicative of your burst from a starting point, first lateral cut ability and ability to stop on a dime (I call this X-Y agility). The Broad Jump is more indicative of X-Z swivel type agility (making guys miss in "very tight" space) and the 3-Cone is a blend of the two types of agility. A Broad jump over 10 foot is solid for a tailback at the NFL combine and GREAT for a tailback entering the FBS out of H.S. If Brandon has a BJ over 10 foot- than this guy is an all round "freak" tailback!
ToughJ.Riggins
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To clarify myself, the reason the BJ indicates "swivel" agility is that strong hamstrings and flexibility to get leg lift on the jump are crucial for this test. These same muscles and flexibility come into play while having to make quick lateral shifts, to make guys miss in tight space while moving fast ahead. White skill players tend to do slightly better than blacks in the SS and 3-Cone at H.S combines and NFL combine and blacks tend to slightly outperform whites in the BJ. Of course this is only a tendency. Danny Woodhead, Jake Sharp, Sam McGuffie, Rex Burkhead and John Howell are guys I've watched with some SERIOUS "swivel". Both Burkhead and Brandon Wegher are blend backs actually. They can be both a cut and go powerback and a scatback.
FootballDad
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Great analysis ToughJ, that is tremendous information. Watching the videos that are available of Petosi's games, Brandon's game is just like you say, incredibly quick, and doesn't even slow down in his ankle-breaking cuts. Incidentally the fullback, his name escapes me, is also a heck of a prospect.