Christophe Lemaitre "White Lightning" 9.92 and 19.80! -- Part Two

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Some comments about Lemaitre from the posters at Track and Field News who are not as obsessed with Lemaitre as we are:

"Lemaitre never could start. Look at the video. He has the best reaction of the field but his mechanics are helpless. Shortest first stride + I doubt he even stretches his front leg out of the blocks, might as well not use blocks. He comes out way too high. It seems he belongs to the school that thinks the best starter is the one who clears the blocks first."

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Not even so much describing his physique since we know he's a slim, lanky guy without great levers but his poor start and acceleration point to being very deficient in terms of strength/power. I have no idea what his lifts, multi throws or short jump tests might be but I'll bet based upon being relatively poor in that phase of his race that he has a lot of room for improvement in this area."


Lemaitre has a great start, he is not lanky, and is very very strong. The posters at Track and Field News know nothing of sprint!
 

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In Christophes face i see that he absolutely wanted to win this race.
When I was young I ran 400m. I was never so tired after a 200m race. Vicaut was really "platt" as we say in Germany.

That is why I am disappointed in his 200 meter time, he ran hard to win and managed a ok time. I expected close to 20.00- 20.10
 

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When Lemaitre ran so fast in french championship? When? :icon_eek:

In the 200 Lemaitre never had competition to push him at the french championships. Vicaut pushed him in the 200 and you could see Lemaitre was determined to running as fast as he can, managing a 20.2 with positive wind. Not good in my opinion. Your opinion is different. I salute you. :beer:
 

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[h=2]Sixth national title on 200 m![/h] July 13, 2015 at 10 h 20 min





Christophe Lemaitre is the king of the 200 m in France. He won on Sunday in Villeneuve d’Ascq his sixth national title, in front of Jimmy Vicaut (20″42).
“I’d like a better time but I’m pleased with the way. It will be faster on the next racesâ€￾, he explains. On the Diamond League meetings in London (24th of July) and Stockholm (30th of July).
“I’m full confident after this French championships, I raced well in spite of my muscle injury the 21th of June. I was ill-prepared because of that, with only one fast training session before the championships, he says. On 200 m, it was important to prove I was the best. I gradually find again a good shape. I’m optimistic for the end of the season. But we have to continue working.â€￾
 

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In the 200 Lemaitre never had competition to push him at the french championships. Vicaut pushed him in the 200 and you could see Lemaitre was determined to running as fast as he can, managing a 20.2 with positive wind. Not good in my opinion. Your opinion is different. I salute you. :beer:

Ok it is your opinion, no problem ;)

For me 20.2 in the french championship is good time, he can to be in 20.0-20.1 in Diamond League and sub20 in Beijing WC.
 

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For me the good news, it's his start in 100m, since 3 years we say, "you have a ****ting start", never he did a good start since 2012, and saturday it was good so nice!!! I hope he will find his top speed, not sure but we will see, if he do he can run in 9.9 !
I think it's strange he just wants to run 200m up to World championship. He has much uncertainly in 100. In 200 we know he can run already 20.00-20.10 and probably sub 20 in Beijing.
Carraz want to up confiance's Lemaitre, he said "Lemaitre will run sub 20 it's sure" strange he ran sub 20 just 2 times in his career... He wants motivate Lemaitre or over reliance ?
 

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For me the good news, it's his start in 100m, since 3 years we say, "you have a ****ting start", never he did a good start since 2012, and saturday it was good so nice!!! I hope he will find his top speed, not sure but we will see, if he do he can run in 9.9 !
I think it's strange he just wants to run 200m up to World championship. He has much uncertainly in 100. In 200 we know he can run already 20.00-20.10 and probably sub 20 in Beijing.
Carraz want to up confiance's Lemaitre, he said "Lemaitre will run sub 20 it's sure" strange he ran sub 20 just 2 times in his career... He wants motivate Lemaitre or over reliance ?

his training and trainer would be bad but he can run 9.9 ? :)

Be logical with yours last comments

That makes sense to run 200M because he can get a medal on 200M, and when he run 200M, he "works" for his finish in 100M
 

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his training and trainer would be bad but he can run 9.9 ? :)

Be logical with yours last comments

That makes sense to run 200M because he can get a medal on 200M, and when he run 200M, he "works" for his finish in 100M


In my last comment i said i'm not sure he will find his top speed, and the doubt is here again, in 2013 ok he found but in 2014 he didn't find his top speed however you said like this year, he will have a good finish in Zurich but finally he didn't happen. Nothing insure this year he will find it, just only your fanatism.
 

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In my last comment i said i'm not sure he will find his top speed, and the doubt is here again, in 2013 ok he found but in 2014 he didn't find his top speed however you said like this year, he will have a good finish in Zurich but finally he didn't happen. Nothing insure this year he will find it, just only your fanatism.

If you were logical you would say that he cannot get a good finish because for you his training and trainer are bad but you are not honest.
You cannot say that Christophe can run 9.9 and say that his training or trainer is bad because you cannot run 9.9 with a bad training.

It is ridiculous! It is just stupid bashing.
 

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Where do you see i said Carraz is a bad trainer ? In my first post explains many people think Carraz is not the good coach, and i don't have tell my opinion, for the training i just said Lemaitre didn't have a really progression since 4 years, They do really good job in the past, like if last years was a totally fail ! Now i'm just asking if Lemaitre can find is top speed, it's legitimate cause last year they don't success (Lemaitre and Carraz). And i surligne Ontanon do really good things with his athlètes, cause he improves pratically all his athlètes. And we can't deny this.
 

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his training and trainer would be bad but he can run 9.9 ? :)

Be logical with yours last comments

That makes sense to run 200M because he can get a medal on 200M, and when he run 200M, he "works" for his finish in 100M

Thats the problem with someone like you and your Master Trainer Carraz...Your goal for Lemaitre is a Medal...My Goal for Lemaitre would be to WIN!!!!!!!! Never tell your Athlete to strive for third place like Master Carraz has stated, that is beyond idiotic and twisted if you ask me. Carraz supports the caste system by telling Lemaitre he cant beat the best guys because they are just faster because of Color etc..
You sir get the Douche of the Year award and you can share it with your Hero Carraz.!
 

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Carraz is not a Bad Trainer...he is only a good trainer, but Lemaitre is a Great Athlete and needs a Great Trainer, Plus Carraz has no confidence in Leamitre to win against the other top sprinters, this creates a bad psychological block in Lemaitre's mind that he cant win so why bother. Carraz's old age has made him certified nuts.
 

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Carraz is not a Bad Trainer...he is only a good trainer, but Lemaitre is a Great Athlete and needs a Great Trainer, Plus Carraz has no confidence in Leamitre to win against the other top sprinters, this creates a bad psychological block in Lemaitre's mind that he cant win so why bother. Carraz's old age has made him certified nuts.

You're so stupid
 

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RCS MAN why you say, the 200 will train to the end of 100 ? He needs to find his top speed, in his 200 he never run as fast like in a 100m.
 

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RCS MAN why you say, the 200 will train to the end of 100 ? He needs to find his top speed, in his 200 he never run as fast like in a 100m.

In his 100M in french championship, Christophe ran 6.57 (60M), so, his top speed is very good.
 

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How you can say his top speed is very good when he lost 0.08 against Vicaut in the last 40m. In 2011 when he ran 9.92, his 60m was 6.50, in Lille he has a better start than Albi but a bad acceleration.
 

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How you can say his top speed is very good when he lost 0.08 against Vicaut in the last 40m. In 2011 when he ran 9.92, his 60m was 6.50, in Lille he has a better start than Albi but a bad acceleration.


WHAT ?

Top speed is between 50 and 60M, NOT LAST 40M

bad acceleration ? :huh: acceleration in last 40M ? it doesn't exist
 

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Yes, he has a better start then Albi, but he was better in 60m in Albi, so it's not possible he has a good top speed. The top speed is beetween 50-70m. I didn't say he accelerates in last 40m, but he has a bad acceleration between 30 to 50 cause he lost to much time. His top speed too (but better than last race) cause ran slower in 50-70 so his décélération is faster for 70 to 100m. I don't know if you understand me, i can explain in french if you want.
 

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"Yes, he has a better start then Albi, but he was better in 60m in Albi, so it's not possible he has a good top speed"

:huh: WHY ?

I said good speed, NOT best ever speed, His top speed is better than the last 3 years

Christophe doit travailler sa fin de course, il lui manque des séances longues dans les jambes, d'où l'importance de courir sur 200M, car pour travailler cette distance, il fera à l'entrainement des séances sur 250M.

On améliore sa fin de course en travaillant à l'entrainement sur des longues distances, les meilleurs finisseurs sur 100M sont souvent les athlètes qui sont bon sur 200M, les meilleurs finisseurs sur 200M sont normalement des athlètes bons sur 400M

Donc il est judicieux que Christophe fasse des 200M à Londres et stockolm, de plus c'est la distance où il a une chance de médaille
 

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pas du tout ! sa résistance vitesse n'est pas bonne

aux France lemaitre fait 50M très bon, proche de son top, mais il fait un 50-60M mauvais, pour moi vicaut lui reprend 4 centièmes, même biron semble reprendre du temps sur lemaitre, Christophe devrait comme vicaut faire 0.84 entre 50M et 60M, mais lemaitre pour moi fait pas mieux que 0.88, puis la seconde partie de course est médiocre, il devrait mettre 0.25s à biron sur les derniers 50M, il ne lui reprend que 0.13s, il avait aussi eu les mêmes problèmes contre vicaut lors de sa rentrée et également contre kilty qu'il avait eu du mal à déborder, lui qui est pourtant loin d'être un finisseur.

Et logiquement ce problème de résistance se pose sur 200M également, que ce soit sur le grec à Rome qu'il a été incapable de remonter alors qu'il est bien meilleur finisseur, il fait un 9.85 sur le dernier 100M ce qui est très mauvais pour christophe, idem à Oslo, où il finit en 9.75 c'est mieux mais c'est loin de son niveau, et encore pareil aux France où lemaitre fait un 9.80 environ au dernier 100M et a eu les pires difficultés à déborder vicaut qui n'a pourtant pas brillé.

Donc oui son problème c'est la résistance vitesse, regarde sa course à Rome c'st flagrant, Longuèvre qui commente ne s'y trompe pas, Christophe est incapable de lever les genoux
 

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Tu dis "pas du tout" mais pourtant dans ton premier paragraphe tu approuves ce que je dis. A Lille il fait 3.93 au 30m, il est déjà derrière Vicaut qui est en 3.90 (source PJV), il perd ensuite encore 4 centièmes de 30 à 60m, tu dis il fait un mauvais 50-60m il devrait être en 0.84, je suis tout à fait d'accord, il devrait donc avoir une vitesse max beaucoup plus rapide c'est justement dans cette phase de vitesse maximale qu'il perd le plus de temps, ensuite comme il n'a pas une vitesse max énorme, il perd du temps sur toute la fin de course.
Je vais prendre un exemple sur les intervalles de 10m qui n'est pas vrai mais pour essayer de montrer ce que je dis.
Un bon gros Lemaitre c'est 3.93 puis 0.88;0.85;0.84;0.84;0.85;0.86;0.87 = 9.92
Là à Lille il a du faire 3.93 puis 0.89;0.88;0.87;0.86;0.87;0.88;0.89= 10.07
Hors on voit que la courbe est pratiquement la même sauf que vu qu'il va moins vite à son max 0.86 pour 0.84 même en décélèrent pareil, il perd aussi des centièmes à cause de sa vitesse de pointe qu'il n'a plus. Donc si tu disais qu'il à une vitesse de pointe très bonne et une résistance vitesse qui n'est pas bonne ça ressemblerait à ça
3.93;0.88;0.85;0.84;0.86;0.88;0.89;0.94. Hors ce n'est pas possible puisqu'il fait 6.57 au 60m et que comme tu l'as dit il ne fait surement pas 0.84 à sa vitesse max et finir en 0.94 je n'y crois pas du tout.

Pour le 200 je suis d'accord à Rome où le problème était là, mais il semble l'avoir corrigé à Oslo. Pour les France c'est justement parce qu'il n'a pas une vitesse élevé en sortie de virage qu'il met du temps à le distancer, il attend les derniers mètres pour que Vicaut crame et que lui tienne. Si Lemaitre n'avait pas de résistance vitesse, Vicaut l'aurait rattrapé où alors ça voudrait dire que Vicaut soit très très nul en résistance vitesse.
Résultat c'est bien sa vitesse max qui lui manque.
 

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j'ai bien compris ce que tu veux expliquer mais je ne suis pas du tout d'accord.

Christophe n'a pas été aussi rapide sur 60M depuis plusieurs années et pourtant a fait des chronos proche de 10 ces dernières années, on ne fait pas 6.57 sans une bonne top speed mais malgrès une meilleur top speed que les années précédente, ces chronos sont pas aussi bon, tout simplement parce que pour l'instant il maintient moins bien sa vitesse, regarde sur 200M c'est encore plus simple à voir, il a fait ces dernières années de nombreux 200M en 20.0X, alors qu'il passait en 10.50 au 100M (paris- londres au JO), à Rome comme à Oslo il passe plus rapidement 10.45 et 10.40 donc avec une meilleur vitesse et pourtant le chrono final est moins bon, donc on voit que c'est davantage un problème de résistance que de top speed
 

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Depuis début 2013 c'est 4 chronos sous les 10.10 en conditions réglementaires avec la course de Lille. En 2014 il en a fait aucune, dû essentiellement à son manque de vitesse maximale, en 2013 il fait 10.00 car il a une vitesse de pointe hyper rapide. Les autres sont dû à des départs qui ne sont pas complètement raté. Là Lemaitre est aussi rapide au 60m parce que son départ est bon mais tu lui rajoutes une grosse pointe de vitesse il passe en 6.50. Et les 7 centièmes que tu gagnes dans tes 60 premiers mètres t'en font gagner d'autre dans ta fin de course. Quand tu dis qu'il a une meilleure top speed que l'année dernière, je ne pense pas du tout, il y a juste à regarder les départs de l'année dernière, ratage sur ratage, plus le fait qu'il n'ait pas de vitesse pur = aucun chrono sous les 10.10. Et justement le fait qu'il n'est pas de vitesse pur, le bloque à 10.40-10.45 dans son virage. Il est devenu meilleur vireur qu'avant mais n'a jamais refait un virage aussi bon qu'à Daegu. Il perd peut être un peu en résistance vitesse, mais pas aucun que la perte du à sa vitesse pur.
 
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