Your views on our Military

celticdb15

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I am considering pursuing a career in the military. I feel it can be a rewarding career and want the type of job where I feel like I am making a difference. I know a lot of people feel that the military is just a puppet for politicians agenda's, but what are your guys opinions? I won't make my decision just based on what you guys say, I obviously know that this is a MAJOR decision in my life so I'm going to take my time and weigh the pros and cons. I just want to see some of the feedback..
 

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Right now the US military is pretty much a tool of zionism, so that is an argument against joining.
On the other hand, if you can get a Pentagon job in, say, military intelligence, you canuse your skills and smarts to fight for true patriotism. (for example, some of the Pentagon's MI types have warned about the negative influence of Israeli intelligence).


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The perks and benefits are great if you stay in a long time, but it looks like Washington intends to be fighting multiple simultaneous wars for the indefinite future. The number of dead from Iraq, Afghanistan and other fronts is much less than in previous wars, but the number of injured is high and injuries are often of a horrific nature (esp. the ones caused by IEDs).

If this country can somehow return to an America First government, where the military does what it's supposed to do -- guard our borders and fight only in wars of legitimate self-defense -- then it will be a great institution again. But now I wouldn't advise any young man to join. Just do some research into the numbers coming back with physical and mental scars; it's frightening. And the VA is substandard to put it mildly when it comes to treating vets.
 

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Celticdb15 I was in the military for six years. I highly recommend it, either the enlisted or officer route. You can sign up for only 3 or 4 years and get a great GI Bill to pay for college.

You get to see the world, the pay considering they feed you and house is not bad for a young adult. If your smart you can get a highly sought after MOS and acquire great technical skills such as computers ability or foreign language. Or if getting into the s**t and being Audie Murphy and killing people is your thing your desire and courage is much in demand.

I don't feel the military is a puppet. If everyone thought negative about the military and refused to join who protect us from any foreign invaders ie China or hordes of terrorist inflitrating our country.
 

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Celticdb15, I would agree with Don and Kane that the overall structure of the US military is a pawn to PTB, but on an individual recruit, soldier, sailor, etc. level it is very rewarding, fulfilling, and something to be proud of. If you look into the total enlistment of the armed services, and the amount of injuries/deaths, it's actually safer to be running around the globe fighting Zionist-agenda sorties than to live in Los Angeles.
Most of my family are former Marines, and they wouldn't trade those careers and memories for anything, even my brother-in-law who served two years in Iraq as a sniper, and was part of many memorable battles, such as the Fallujah debacle.
A good friend of mine served 20 years on a nuclear submarine, retired with a good pension, full all-everything benefits, school paid for, a he's able to do pretty much want he wants. He's pulling down 6 figures in his career that was paid for by his service, and he was literally able to see the world.
 

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I considered joining the Marines in '96. They recruited me pretty heavily out of high school. I'm glad I didn't do it though. Yeah the pay is good and so are some of the benefits, but the chances of going into a war zone have greatly multiplied now and the future may be even worse. Almost everyone I've known who was in the military for a long time was affected by it, meaning they became very regimented in their actions and thinking. I'm just saying its hard to work for "the world's police" for 10-20 years or so and it not affect the way you think. I believe it makes interventionists out of people, and that concept has gone right along with Zionism for decades now. Consider the constantly falling standards, morale, and the lack of care given to our returning vets, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to join the military right now. Its sad, but like Don said, hopefully this will change one day.
 

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I appreciatethe feedback. I respect all of the posters here views and opinons, b\c I feel posters here genuinely care.I was contacted earlier today by a recruiter for the U.S. Army. I am still not even sure which branch of the military I would pursue and I'm looking into some possible careers. I have several family members in the Air Force though, so I'll probably focus there. The GI Bill is very tempting to me b\c I have my concerns on paying for college. Edited by: celticdb15
 

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Celticdb,

I have looked into the military as well, I ponder the decision from time to time. Personally, I would not do it as a career but just to get some experience in a preferred MOS. However I am not sure how likely you are to get the MOS you are most interested in. I have done some research and would recommend going the I.T./ tech route so that when you come out you can be marketable when looking for a job.
 

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If u go the enlisted route ur desired MOS is based on how score on ASVAB. The better the more options u have. They have study books to ensure u do well. I was an Officer and I used one to score well on avaitor test. I flew for the Marines
 

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My nephew did well on the asfab and was able to obtain a IT MOS. I recently visited down in San Deigo.
 

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Excellent posts. Varied opinions.

Solomon, that is a good point about getting a job in something like military intelligence, where you can use your skills and smarts to fight for true patriotism.

Don, how long ago would it have been since you would have been comfortable advising a young man to join the military?

Westside, it is true what you say about if everyone thought negative about the military and refused to join. I don't have an answer for that. My youth dates back to the '80's, and there are probably only about 2 or 3 years since that time that I would have felt comfortable signing up. I guess my only answer is that if the time comes when there really is an imminent threat by a foreign invader, there will be millions of Americans both young and old who will gladly step forward. Of course, this may be at a time that is too late to train and prepare.

I wish you well, Celtic, on whatever your decision may be.
 

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Observer I am afraid that the legions of DWFs will run and hide thinking someone else will do the heavy lifting and dying. Hopefully Im wrong and that scenerio never sees the light.
 

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CBD15, unfortunately our brave troops have been co-opt'd by the Globalist agenda & serve as tools for the One-World & Zionist agenda. However, there is still good opportunity to gain discipline, learn a trade, etc.

The USMC recruited me for OCS (Quantico) my Senior year of college. I strongly considered it (being NeoCON'd at the time), but my Dad (who served in the 82nd AB in Viet Nam + National Guard stateside) said it didn't hold the same career potential as it once did. My (paternal) Grandad was KIA in Korea (Chosin Resevoir) in 1950. My Dad & Uncle both served 2 tours in Viet Nam & my cousin was a gunner's mate in the Navy, so I almost felt obligated to serve.

If you do join, try to learn a trade you can transfer to the private sector. It's essential you leverage your time in the service to gain "transferable" experience.
 

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Just remember Celtic if you sign up the government will pretty much own you. And serving in the military is very demanding of your time, especially in a combat arms unit, if you go that route. It's not a 8 to 5 Monday thru Friday job. I sometimes went months with hardly a day off to get away from all the bullsh*t.

Also, remember, most recruiters will be happy to lie to you and not blink an eye. Find out what you qualify for and want to do, and make sure it's IN YOUR CONTRACT WHEN YOU FIRST JOIN. Don't let some lying snake tell you "oh you can try for that later." Doesn't work that way. Have what you want in writing before you sign anything.

Hopefully you have somebody to advise you. And take your time making your decision.
 

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Good morning Gentlemen, I'll put my 2 cents in this.

Celticdb15, I would advise staying out of our armed forces. You're not needed for this type of thing (illegal, undeclared wars). If your country needs you, it'll be right here. If a good young man like yourself is in the service and the Sh*t hits the fan here, you won't be able to do us any good from a place like Afghanistan. You'll be stranded.

As far as trainig is concerned, just contact a local trade union and ask about their apprenticeship program. All of them will scramble to get you if you're on the up and up (no drug use, no problems with the law, etc.). Then there's the point that possibly your family has a business or your parents know someone with a business willing to give you a shot.

You can train yourself in the use of firearms. There are plenty of gun ranges around.

I'm a combat vet and this is my considered advice. But if you do decide to join up, then good luck and Gods Speed to you.

Tom Iron...
 

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Ok let Me get this, forget the armed services where one can aquire structure, discipline, knowledge and a viable skill. But instead join a union where ur dues will be used to finance BOs Marxist agenda! Please someone explain that !
 

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Westside,

Yes Sir, it does sound contradictory, but as a lifelong Union man, I have to advise that. Remember, the rank and file Union man is a good American and has been the backbone of our armed forces. It's the leadership who are for some reason leftists. But less so in the trades.
For the most part, it's the civil-service people who give Unionism a bad name. Myself and people like me don't look at them as Unionists.

Tom Iron...
 

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Civil Service people giving the Unionsim a bad name? So are those hundreds of thousand of Automotive members/workers civil servants? Don't think so. "If" you mean police / firemen as civil servants, you are mistaken. Most of these Americans despise anything the democratic party is affilated with, especially now! The unions they belong to have no "local" affixation to them. Furthermore, most of these "unions" support the conservative politicans in CA if you can believe it.

I know, I am a civil servant union member! Mr Tom Iron I do not question you be a good American, I am sure you are. But what I do question is why Union members support the democratic party now via your leftists leadership, especially this marxist/socialist Obama character?

I know if this Healthcare fiasco becomes law Union members won't be affected by this disaster for around 8 years, but once that time elaspses you all will be in the same soup sandwich as the rest of us.
 
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Tom, for all the years I've been lurking here and injecting the occasional post, I've found you to be rational and wise; thoughtful with your rejoinders.

In this I disagree with you, whole heartedly, inre unions. They once were a use but now they are a tool of the left. You've only to look at SEIU, AFL-CIO, UAW, and the rest of them. I've worked in the aviation industry for years, non-union, and I can assure you that every time you step on a plane, you should be very afraid. The inept and useless rule the hangers my friend and they are all union slobs who for what I know, voted for that Marxist that is tearing this country apart. Impossible to fire, they can only be promoted to remove them from endangering the public.

I hope your union isn't as useless and dangerous.

Celtic, I did 6 years in the Navy and acquired the skills (electronics) that have stood me well throughout my career. With that said, I'd be very hesitant to join in these times because the social structure of the services is being designed to take the warrior out of men, and make it more diversified. "Minorities" you will find, are clique-ish and extremely racist, and never brought to mast for the most part. i.e., a black or a female can say racist or sexist things, but as a white male, you need to be aware of mannerisms and speech at all times.

Also, I couldn't send my kid off to a war or wars while the losers and toadies in this current administration strive to tear this country apart.

If you do wind up going in, my advice is to get into the most elite unit possible. Get an MOS or NEC that requires you to be in the upper 5% of something. Your chances of survival are way better though the missions are often times more dangerous.

I say this because I think the allowance of females into the ranks of combat troops and combatant ships did much to weaken and demoralize our current armed forces. Just recently females are going to be allowed to crew submarines.

My views can be considered mysanthropic. Thats fine. But if I am carrying a full combat load and take a round or shrap, I want someone fighting next to me that is strong enough to drag or carry me out of harms way. Think of this. Would you want a female firefighter to carry your 200# self down a ladder or would you want her male counter part to do so? I've had this arguement with cousin who is a female fire-fighter. She hasn't a leg to stand on when I offer to be a "victim" and have her carry me over her shoulder. Narrow shoulders make bad platforms for carrying loads. Ergo, in a military op, you will be shouldering more of the load for a weaker unit member, female or male or now...gays.

Females are not force multipliers for the most part, and as such, de-ball combat troops to some extent. I've heard this from friends and relatives who've had to serve with them. I've also a niece who has done two tours in the sandbox and the stories of the sexual tension and crap that goes on over there is amazing but not surprizing. Even she agrees with me.

Sounds like you've given this some major thought. I hope your choices are good ones and wish you well.
 

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I spent a little over 20 years in the Army as an infantryman. I retired as an E-8. During my time in I took part in 1 invasion (Panama), Desert Storm, and Mogadishu. I was stationed in Germany, Korea, the Middle East, and mainly at Forts Bragg and Benning in the states.I almost lost my life once in combat and twice during training. I don't suffer from PTSD and my body is still working pretty good. I consider myself a libertarian and an individual. The tangible benefits of retiring, at the age of 38, are cheap AND good medical care ($38 monthly premium), and a monthly retirement check of almost $2000. Also I went to school on the G.I. Bill and became a teacher. My views on the military are positive. Edited by: Menelik
 

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Menelik,

Might that $2000 check disappear ala medicare and social security?
 

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Deadlift said:
Menelik,

Might that $2000 check disappear ala medicare and social security?

Hope not but in these end of times anything is possible. And expected and planned for.
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Westside, Animalmuther0,

Gentlemen, this isn't about our differences of opinion on unionism. This is about celticdb15's asking about our opinion on the armed forces.

Tom Iron...
 
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