NBA Whites lack respect

[j41181]

I will clarify indianwhite's last article of frustration:

This is pretty much old news, because this sort of fanfare and respect trend dates back to the 90's, a period that saw only white player make the All-Star game throughout the decade: JOHN STOCKTON

This season, there are FOUR white players having double-double numbers: TROY MURPHY, DAVID LEE, ANDREW BOGUT, and ANDRIS BIEDRINS, yet none of these dudes will make the All-Star game, let alone any All-NBA teams for the matter.

The reason is simple: Flare, passion, and excitement, not to mention attitude and character. NBA fans like to see Garnett pump his chest and yell, Thunder dunks from King James, Kobe, Anthony, Wade, the intensity of Paul Pierce, the flash of Chris Paul, Iverson's toughness, and many typically exciting black players around the NBA.

White players have, and always have been low-key, blue-collar, fundamentally sound players. They are mostly quiet, humble, and let their games do the talking. Even the great LARRY BIRD was simply focused on winning games, only occasionally putting on a show, despite many of the highlight reels he displayed throughout his career, he best played a very fundamental type of basketball game.

Today's whites like Dirk, Pau, Nash, Kirilenko, and Manu, play very sound and fundamental basketball, occasionally making highlight reels. Very few players like these get serious attention, let alone respect. TIM DUNCAN, who is a very fundamental, blue-collar, and low-key type of player, is a rare example of someone getting a lot of attention and respect.

Why? Is it because he has FOUR rings? FOUR finals MVP? A regular season MVP? A many-time All-Star? He's black and very consistent? Who knows, whatever the reasons, he without a doubt a true Hall of Famer, and I respect him for that.

As for white players, especially the very good ones, no matter how good they try to be, they will NEVER get the same attention and respect from NBA fans, unlike their black counterparts. It's because of what happened in the 90's.

DIRK is making 26 PPG, but is in danger of not making the All-Star game, PAU has helped LA have the 2nd best record in the NBA, but he might not make it as well, NASH is a 2-time MVP, yet his days as a superstar are pretty much over.

Yi Jianlian's numbers (9.6 PPG, 38% FG) are very PATHETIC for a 7-footer, yet he may as well become an All-Star (900,000+ votes) this season. He is just a 2nd year player for Heaven sakes!

It took Nowitzki 4 years (1998-2002) to become an All-Star, and his 2nd and 3rd year numbers are way better than this Chinese dude could ever do.

I clearly understand indianwhite's frustration, because guys like TROY MURPHY, DAVID LEE, ANDREW BOGUT, and ANDRIS BIEDRINS, who are having double-double numbers, will NEVER make an All-STAR game, while a pathetic player like Yi Jianlian will pretty much get selected at any point. It is very frustrating indeed.

 

[guest301]

Yi Jianlin is obviously getting the Chinese vote that Yao Ming has been getting all these years. I guess it's ok for the Chinese to have racial and ethnic pride but not white people.

 

[Guest]

Yi Jianlin is obviously getting the
Chinese vote that Yao Ming has been getting all these
years. I guess it's ok for the Chinese to have racial
and ethnic pride but not white people.

No one's stopping whites from voting for white players.
I just think white voters don't have the overwhelming
desire to vote for whites simply to satisfy their need
for racial pride. As opposed to the Chinese mindset,
they'd rather see those whom they deem most deserving,
rather than voting in lesser talent simply because of
skin color.

I find that a more noble act, myself.Edited by: MiamiDolphins

 

[jaxvid]

Yi Jianlin is obviously getting the
Chinese vote that Yao Ming has been getting all these
years. I guess it's ok for the Chinese to have racial
and ethnic pride but not white people.

No one's stopping whites from voting for white players.
I just think white voters have the overwhelming desire
to vote for whites simply to satisfy their need for
racial pride. As opposed to the Chinese mindset, they'd
rather see those whom they deem most deserving, rather
than voting in lesser talent simply because of skin
color.

I find that a more noble act, myself.

I don't think it's noble at all! I think it's stupid. There are plenty of good white players deserving of large amounts of votes from white people that don't get the votes because white fans are brainwashed to think that flashy thugs are better players.

Black people voted for a lesser talent for president based merely on race, I think that's more important then the NBA All-star game so it should be no big deal that white people vote for whites over blacks to play in a meaningless scrimmage game.

Your attitude is typical of white people everywhere, you can't see the big picture, like it's soooo important to only cast votes for players based on merit, big whoop, how many 6 year olds are voting too, what's the check on their ability to vote on merit, or the chinese who only vote for their guy.

"Noble" indeed!

 

[Guest]

I don't think it's noble at all! I think
it's stupid. There are plenty of good white players
deserving of large amounts of votes from white people
that don't get the votes because white fans are
brainwashed to think that flashy thugs are better
players.

I don't think anyone ever said there weren't any good
white players. It's just that white voters don't find
those good players worthy of their votes at the
expense of great players. Future Hall-of-Fame
players.

As far as whether the "flashy thugs" are better or not,
I think the Dream Team's total destruction of the
basketball world this summer pretty much cemented that
fact. Not much "brainwashing" was needed.. just a
functioning set of eyeballs. These are the same guys
that, for the most part, whites are voting for.

The Larry Bird's, John Stockton's, and Chris Mullin's of
the world had no problem being selected All-Stars. They
didn't need to have over the top personalities either.
They were as good or better than the upper-echelon
players back then. Their numbers warranted their
selections. White voters wanting to put white players
in the game simply because they're white is just never
gonna happen. You're gonna have to be content with
always being in the minority on that one.

 

[Don Wassall]

Osgood Fan, did you really think all you had to do was sign up under a different user name to continue your trolling?


We know your positions, we know your arguments. We've refuted them countless times over the past four plus years with countless opponents. Read the forum guidelines. Thisboard isfor Caste Football supporters. You may be the most earnest and sincere person in the world but you arenot wantedhere.

 

[jaxvid]

As far as whether the "flashy thugs" are better or not,
I think the Dream Team's total destruction of the
basketball world this summer pretty much cemented that
fact. Not much "brainwashing" was needed.. just a
functioning set of eyeballs. These are the same guys
that, for the most part, whites are voting for.

The "Dream Team"??? That was years ago. The guys they sent last year were not the dream team but a better collection of black ball hogs then they sent last time who got killed. I wouldn't call their victory a "total destruction" that's selective memory by a duped white idiot or a blind black supremecist.

 

[icsept]

The "Dream Team" got taken to the brink against Spain, in the gold medal game. Spain! With a population 10% of the United States, and it is a soccer country.

American basketball has become a land of no opportunity for White players, who are systematically weeded out. Youth players are forced to give the ball to the Black players to do all of the shooting. That is clearly why only European players, who have not been similarly subjugated, can come into the NBA and shoot the ball.

White players are not innately boring and "fundamentally sound." If Manu Ginobili were raised in the US, his game would have been neutered, and he would be a "three point specialist" or a waterboy. Any White who plays outside the fundamentals, i.e. Jason Williams, gets labeled with a denigrating nickname - "White Chocolate". Or a White guy that plays above the rim is treated like a rare freak like "Birdman" Chris Anderson.

Americans need to be reeducated to realize that there are many extremely talented White players that can do anything on a basketball court. They are not freaks or anamolies. They need a fair opportunity starting at the lowest levels of basketball.

 

[99Boxster]

The "Dream Team" got taken to the brink
against Spain, in the gold medal game. Spain! With a
population 10% of the United States, and it is a soccer
country.

Didn't they get crushed by 37 points a week earlier?
So they lost the 2 games by an average of 24 points, no?
Also, the Dream Team was taken solely out of the black
community, which numbers similar to Spain's population.

Spain was one of the worst shooting teams in the
tournament, and by far the worst 3 point shooting team.
The couldn't hit the side of a barn. Then, they
suddenly started hitting shots in the final that
miraculously allowed them to only lose by low double
digits.

American basketball has become a land of no
opportunity for White players, who are systematically
weeded out. Youth players are forced to give the ball
to the Black players to do all of the shooting. That is
clearly why only European players, who have not been
similarly subjugated, can come into the NBA and shoot
the ball.

Nonsense. The overwhelming majority of high school
basketball teams and players in the U.S. are white.
OVERWHELMING majority. Probably 5 or 6 to 1.

By your admission, the foreign whites in Germany, Spain,
Lithuania, Turkey, Australia, Russia, Greece, and
Argentina weren't "neutered" or "subjected". If not,
why did they still get destroyed by 49, 37, 36, 32, 31,
25, 23, and 20 points respectively.. and all in 40
minute games? Throw in the non-"subjugated" China's 31
point mauling (Spain needed overtime to beat them), and
you've got global domination.

The US going 13-0 internationally by an average of
roughly 30 points per game pretty much throws the whole
"subjugation" argument out the window.Edited by: 99Boxster

 

[Fightingtowin]

The "Dream Team" got taken to the brink

against Spain, in the gold medal game. Spain! With a

population 10% of the United States, and it is a soccer

country.

Didn't they get crushed by 37 points a week earlier?

So they lost the 2 games by an average of 24 points, no?

Also, the Dream Team was taken solely out of the black

community, which numbers similar to Spain's population.



Spain was one of the worst shooting teams in the

tournament, and by far the worst 3 point shooting team.

The couldn't hit the side of a barn. Then, they

suddenly started hitting shots in the final that

miraculously allowed them to only lose by low double

digits.

American basketball has become a land of no

opportunity for White players, who are systematically

weeded out. Youth players are forced to give the ball

to the Black players to do all of the shooting. That is

clearly why only European players, who have not been

similarly subjugated, can come into the NBA and shoot

the ball.

Nonsense. The overwhelming majority of high school

basketball teams and players in the U.S. are white.

OVERWHELMING majority. Probably 5 or 6 to 1.



By your admission, the foreign whites in Germany, Spain,

Lithuania, Turkey, Australia, Russia, Greece, and

Argentina weren't "neutered" or "subjected". If not,

why did they still get destroyed by 49, 37, 36, 32, 31,

25, 23, and 20 points respectively.. and all in 40

minute games? Throw in the non-"subjugated" China's 31

point mauling (Spain needed overtime to beat them), and

you've got global domination.



The US going 13-0 internationally by an average of

roughly 30 points per game pretty much throws the whole

"subjugation" argument out the window.

Spain was without José Calderón and were only down 108-104 late in the 4th quarter, until they lost their composure and started getting technical fouls.

And the population of Spain vs. black America is not that different, but basketball is the #1 sport for black America, yet soccer is the #1 sport for Spain.

In the game against Argentina, Argentina's best player, Ginobili, got hurt early in the first quarter. Again, the population of Argentina and Black America is roughly the same, yet soccer is by far the most popular sport in Argentina, not basketball.


Unless America starts utilizing its white talent as much as its black, these European countires are going to pass us.


Edited by: Fightingtowin

 

[ARThunder]

Hasn't the USA lost in most of the international Basketball tournaments? Usually to all white European teams who rarely play Basketball?

 

[Freethinker]

99Boxster,

I'm not going to knock team USA, as they were the deepest and most talented team in the Olympics. No country could go 3 units deep like the US but in the future, with increased interest, these countries will. The USA peaked in 1992 and 1996 in terms of talent. Those teams had legit stars possessing fundamentals, teamwork and shooting ability. The current USA team lacks these elements. The NCAA and NBA worship and promote "street ball", emphasizing dunking and fancy dribble. Until this trend changes the world will gain on the USA and teams like Spain and Argentina will pass them. As others have mentioned, I also believe that a great potential white American talent pool gets overlooked coming out of H.S. first and then coming out of college. This is another factor in American basketball's decline.

Some population demographics as well:

United States - 306 Mil (38 Mil Black)
Spain - 46 Mil
Argentina - 40.5 Mil
Greece - 11 Mil
Lithuania - 3.4 Mil

Shouldn't a country who created the sport with a huge population be able to beat smaller, soccer obsessed (Lithuania excluded) nations?!?!

As for the Rubio and Jennings comparison. Rubio has been playing professionally in Europe since the age of 15. Jennings is currently struggling playing in Italy at the age of 19.

 

[Liverlips]

"Also, the Dream Team was taken solely out of the black
community ..."

It's called the caste system. If non-blacks were allowed to play on these "Dream Teams" think how dominant the U.S. could be. Instead, they usually lose (thank god)at the international level to superior white European teams.

 

[Fightingtowin]

99Boxster,



I'm not going to knock team USA, as they were the deepest and most talented team in the Olympics. No country could go 3 units deep like the US but in the future, with increased interest, these countries will. </span>

And that was the key. Other teams had no problem competing with our starting 5, but got worn down by America's depth. Even China was staying with the U.S. Their guards were running up and down the court, flying by U.S. players. They just didn't have any talent coming off the bench. In the future, China will be a force. In the past the Chinese government would force kids who they thought would be under 6'2 or something to play other sports. That's not happening anymore; the Chinese government wants basketball to be the #1 sport. Plus, they are trying to put a basketball court in every village in 10 years. If things don't change, it will be 1 billion Chinese competing against 40 million black Americans.

Frankly I'm all for China becoming a force, because Asian athletes are caste busters.
Edited by: Fightingtowin

 

[99Boxster]

99Boxster,

I'm not going to knock team USA, as they were the
deepest and most talented team in the Olympics. No
country could go 3 units deep like the US but in the
future, with increased interest, these countries will.
The USA peaked in 1992 and 1996 in terms of talent.
Those teams had legit stars possessing fundamentals,
teamwork and shooting ability. The current USA team
lacks these elements.

No offense, but that's beyond absurd. I get the feeling
you guys think the more you repeat this falsehood, that
it may actually become true.

If they couldn't shoot, why did they score the most
points of all 12 Olympic teams? Why did they have the
highest field goal percentage? Why did they have the
2nd most made 3 pointers?

If they lacked teamwork, why did they so thoroughly
destroy every other team? Why did they lead in assists?
Why did they lead in field goal defense? Lead in 3pt
defense? Lead in forced turnovers?

If they didn't possess fundamentals, why did they lead
in steals? Why did they lead in blocked shots? Why did
they lead in assists-to-turnover ratio? Why did they
lead in defensive rebounds?

These talking points of yours are just ridiculous. The
cold hard facts have a way of throwing a wrench in you
feel good narrative. No one's falling for it. If these
other countries are so fundamentally sound, play as a
team, and can shoot the lights out, why did the US
dominate them in these categories, and crush them by 30
points a game? You can't have it both ways.. unless of
course you want to claim athletic superiority is what
allows them to overcome these deficiencies? Is that
what you're suggesting?

The NCAA and NBA worship and promote "street
ball", emphasizing dunking and fancy dribble. Until
this trend changes the world will gain on the USA and
teams like Spain and Argentina will pass them. As
others have mentioned, I also believe that a great
potential white American talent pool gets overlooked
coming out of H.S. first and then coming out of college.
This is another factor in American basketball's
decline.

There you go again with this "decline" fantasy. The
Dream Team just went 13-0 against the world, with a 30
ppg margin of destruction, and you claim they're in
decline. I think that might just be wishful thinking on
your part. It's far from reality.

As for the Rubio and Jennings comparison. Rubio
has been playing professionally in Europe since the age
of 15. Jennings is currently struggling playing in
Italy at the age of 19.

So Covic is lying? Why?

 

[Liverlips]

Dude, your "Dream Team" won its first gold medal in years and you are all excited. Let's see if they can back it up with a win at the next world championships and the next Olympics. The trend is not on your side and I certainly hope (and expect) that your caste "Dream Team" will lose (as usual).

You sound like the blacks who get all excited when a black boxer wins a belt against a white fighter. Yeah, it happens occasionally but whites control 17 of the 20 belts from middleweight to heavyweight. Whites don't own basketball in quite the same way but give us time.

 

[jaxvid]

99boxter, stupid ass troll, notice you didn't mention the last Olympics where the dream team was a nightmare team. Big deal a country that's been playing the game for 80 years can still beat smaller countries that only got serious a few years ago. Enjoy the lie while it lasts, it's going to be exposed soon enough. A team of white NBA players would have won the Olympics by even more. Hell college players used to dominate more then the best of the NBA does now.

 

[Fightingtowin]

I agree with 99boxter that the latest U.S. team did not lack fundamentals like the 2004 team. The 2008 players are a far cry from the selfish thug idiots that were the face of the NBA in the early 2000s, such as AI, Starbury, Vince Carter, Ron Artest, the Jail Blazers, etc. This last team actually knows how to play basketball (minus Carmelo Anthony who is just that talented).

I think this U.S. squad made an effort to play team ball, yet often looked very out of sync. I'm not certain, but I have a feeling they haven't played together as much as the other teams. Furthermore, the other teams usually had one or two guys who were clearly better than the others so it was easier for those teams to find their roles.

The reason the U.S. team won is simply because of depth, which is a result of more interest in the U.S. than other nations. That will change.

 

[white tornado]

The U.S. team was the best in the olimpics. Spain and argentina were a close second and third. The 2008 team was alot different than the 2004 team, alot more team orented and talented. The U.S. team was alot more talented than all but a few teams in the competition and won with a fast breaking game based of turnovers. in the future a see a balence where the U.S. and other counties both take home titles.

 

[Liverlips]

And don't forget the role of the genius - Coach K!

 

[Freethinker]

Great posts guys. I think Fightingtowin backs up my argument well when he mentions the huge advantage Team USA had in terms of depth. Liverlips also makes a great point about the excellent coaching of Coach K (D'Antoni as well).

Now on to 99Boxter and that pretty little chart. I will admit you make some valid points. However, if you deny that team depth, which results from a larger country population as well as interest in the sport, does not play a factor, it is you who is disillusioned.

Why did they score the most points and shoot the highest percentage? That's an easy one: constant pressure and fast breaking. Dunks and layups will do that to a FG%. How was this achievable? Having the deepest team in the tournament.

Why did they have the 2nd most 3 pointers made? Volume of attempts. Your own chart proved that. They were 6th best in percentage. That is poor shooting.

Better teamwork? yes, I'll agree there. Jason Kidd provided most of that as well as Coach K's team first attitude.

Are you seriously saying the US basketball program has improved since the teams from 1992 and 1996?

As for Covic: I'll go with the facts I stated over one man's opinion.

Lastly, we all know the US did not "crush" Spain in the gold medal game. We also all know that Spain played without Jose Calderon. Spain did not have the depth (there's that word again) to overcome losing one of their best guys.

Predictions: Increased interest in countries like Spain, China and Argentina paired with declining US product will result in international competitions that will be competitive, wide open to win and more fun to watch.

 

[Don Wassall]

The U.S. team had a lot of motivation, too. One could call it racial motivation, as they were well aware that white international teams had been beating black U.S. teams, even embarrassing them at times,along with making inroads in the NBA itself.


One gold medal doesn't make a trend; it only halts the previous trend of U.S. teams losing. Given that almost every black male in the country plays basketball and considers himself great at it, it's not surprising that the U.S. can gather the 12 best and have them dominate a tournament.


But how much real depth is there? How would regularjunior teams and high school teams and college teams stack up against theirequivalent teams in Spain, Italy, Greece, Serbia, Russia, etc.? More and more white kids playing basketballoutside the U.S., without the Caste System and with better coaching over time,means greater white depth and competition over the long term. If it's true that the black athletic pool in the U.S. is shrinking, as it seems to be due to dysgenics and dysfunction, it's going to be harder and harder over time to keep the Caste System going in basketball and football. It already is more farcial to those who are aware of what's going on.

 

[j41181]

Only time will tell if the Talent Pool among Black Americans is really shrinking, considering more and more Blacks are living out of the urban ghettos. I have seen more affluent Blacks more focused on other things outside sports (that includes basketball).

BREAKING NEWS:

Yi Jianlian is INJURED (broken pinky on hand, OUT for 3-4 Weeks), meaning, even if those CRAZY Chinese give him 2 MILLION votes, there is no way the NBA will consider him an ALL-STAR. To do so will be a complete Travesty.

I'm sure DICK-WAD NBA Commissioner David Stern is "somewhat" appalled by the amazing vote tally on a BELOW-AVERAGE player.