"Hate Crimes" Bill Up for Vote May 1st!!!

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Please contact your Representitive asap and DEMAND they vote against this Orwellian, socialist legislaton (HR 1592</font>). If this passes, it's only a matter of time before they start shutting down websites like this for "hateful" speech! We cannot allow the "Velvet Mafia" to curb our 1st Amendment rights!!!

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Christians in bull's-eye in new 'hate crimes' plan
Congress working to create penalties for non-PC views

By Bob Unruh
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

A fast-tracked congressional plan to add special protections for homosexuals to federal law would turn "thoughts, feelings, and beliefs" into criminal offenses and put Christians in the bull's-eye, according to opponents.

"H.R. 1592 is a discriminatory measure that criminalizes thoughts, feelings, and beliefs [and] has the potential of interfering with religious liberty and freedom of speech," according to a white paper submitted by Glen Lavy, of the Alliance Defense Fund.

"As James Jacobs and Kimberly Potter observed in Hate Crimes, Criminal Law, and Identity Politics, 'It would appear that the only additional purpose [for enhancing punishment of bias crimes] is to provide extra punishment based on the offender's politically incorrect opinions and viewpoints,'" said Lavy.

The proposal has been endorsed by majority Democrats on the committee, and already has 137 sponsors in the full House, making it possible it could be voted on in a matter of days or weeks.

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"This is a terrible thing, to criminalize thought or emotion or even speech," Lavy told WND, referring to H.R. 1592, now pending at the committee level in the U.S. House. Democrats there have been turning back amendments that would strip it of its worst provisions, according to an observer.

Bishop Harry Jackson, chairman of the High Impact Leadership Coalition, said the plan, the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Protection Act of 2007, is no more than "a surreptitious attempt by some in Congress to strip the nation of religious freedom and the ability to preach the gospel from our church pulpits."

"It will stamp all over our doctrine and practice of our faith," he said. "We believe what the Bible says. If you start there we've got a major problem."

Secondly, it unfairly restricts the expression of fair opinion by Christians, he told WND. "If anything, gays are getting undue deference awarded to them by the courts. That's why we have the same-sex marriage fight and that kind of thing."

Rev. Louis Sheldon, director of the Traditional Values Coalition, which represents 43,000 churches across the nation, told WND that the Democrats sponsoring and supporting the issue "have sold out to the homosexual agenda."

He said churches need to awaken to the dangers of having pastors, lay leaders, or even those sitting in the pews sent to jail for their biblical views. "When they [realize they] could go to jail for preaching the Word of God, they'll be concerned," he told WND.

Sheldon's organization is releasing a poster showing Jesus as a wanted fugitive, for "crimes" under the planned "hate crimes" legislation.

He also is running an e-mail campaign to alert members of Congress about their constituents' concerns.

WND columnist Janet Folger this week warned in a commentary called "Pastors: Act now or prepare for jail," that in New Hampshire, a crime that typically carries a sentence of 3 1/2 years was "enhanced" to 30 years because a robber shouted an anti-homosexual name at his victim.

"Think about it for a minute. If saying a mean anti-homosexual word adds an additional 23-26 ½ years to a sentence, and people live to around 80, that penalty is one-fourth of your life for the words you say. And while this was in addition to a robbery penalty, how much of a jump would it really be to penalize the speech 'infraction' alone? And just what constitutes an 'anti-gay epithet'? Would an 'anti-gay epithet' be to say, 'Homosexuality is a sin,' or 'Homosexuals should repent'? What if you informed someone that 'Homosexuality is harmful to your health'? If I were you, I wouldn't try it in New Hampshire," Folger wrote.

Folger's organization, Faith2Action, has launched a series of ads about Philadelphia grandmothers who were thrown in jail in Pennsylvania under that state's "hate crimes" law - and faced the possibility of 47 years in jail - for testifying in public about their Christian faith.

Those ads can be viewed at StopHateCrimesNow.com.

One, Arlene Elshinnawy, 75, and grandmother of three, was holding a sign: "Truth is hate to those who hate the truth," before she was hauled off by police officers.

The proposal is by U.S. Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., the head of the House Judiciary Committee.

On Sheldon's website, he warned the bottom line is that in a court of law "cross-dressers rights would trump a pastor's right to preach the Bible, if the so-called Hate Crimes bill ... passes."

Bishop Jackson cited well-known cases of the application of such a law in other nations: "In Australia, two evangelical pastors were charged with violating the State of Victoria's 'hate crimes' laws last year for criticizing Islam. In Canada, a Catholic city councilor was fined $1,000 for publicly stating that a gay couple's lifestyle was 'not normal and not natural,'" he said.

"As an African American, I have long questioned the attempts of the homosexual community to piggy back on the legislative breakthroughs blacks have achieved in civil rights. This legislation will not just over-protect homosexuals, it will bring the threat of invasive, governmental interference with the doctrines and practice of the Church. As some homosexual activists chant, 'Stay out of our bedrooms,' we are here to say, 'Stay out of our pulpits!'" said Bishop Jackson.

Lavy's white paper, delivered to Congress just a few days ago, pointed out some of the results if the law is adopted. "It provides a federal remedy for a person who is attacked for promoting homosexual relationships, but not for a person who is attacked for encouraging people to stop engaging in homosexual behavior because it is physically and psychologically harmful," he said. "Worse yet, it provides for federal prosecution of a murderer who spews racial epithets at the victim, but not for a cold-blooded killer that is paid to commit the crime."

"There is no justification for this disparate treatment. Violent crimes should be punished regardless of the characteristics of the victim," he said.

"The emotion of hate is an unfortunate reality of the human experience. But it is not a crime unless accompanied by a criminal action - and even then it is the action that is within the police power of the government, not the emotion." he said. "The reality is that 'hate' crime laws are designed to punish people for what they think, feel, or believe."

And even more problematic, he said, is the inclusion of a definition of 'hate crime' from section 280003(a) of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. "There is legitimate concern that once Congress makes any 'hate' crime a federal offense, the categories of crime will expand to include speech that causes someone to 'feel' intimidated, just as they have in other places such as Australia, Canada, and Sweden," he said.

Lavy's analysis noted that in New Jersey already it is a "hate crime" to communicate in a manner likely to cause "annoyance or alarm."

"One would not expect a reasonable person to feel threatened or feel fear of harm as the result of an innocuous communication. Nevertheless, the entire faculty at Ohio State University's Mansfield campus apparently agreed that university librarian Scott Savage was guilty of threatening behavior for a simple statement in 2006. His 'threat'? Recommending four books for freshman reading... The four books were "The Marketing of Evil," by [WND Managing Editor] David Kupelian, The Professors by David Horowitz, Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis by Bat Ye'or, and It Takes a Family by Sen. Rick Santorum."

The recommendation made three professors feel "unsafe" on campus and the entire faculty voted to file charges of sex discrimination and harassment against Mr. Savage for "anti-gay hate mongering," Lavy wrote. The charges were dismissed later, and Savage now has responded with a lawsuit against several university professors.

But under the proposal, such a recommended list for reading "could be prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney General."

Lavy's evaluation also noted that San Francisco already has stated in a resolution that organizations seeking to minister to those engaged in homosexual behavior "were responsible" for homosexual student Matthew Shepard's death in Wyoming, even though his killers have said they did it for drugs and money.

Under such a new law, advertising its "Love Won Out" conferences, addressing homosexuality, would subject Focus on the Family to federal prosecution, he said.

At William Patterson University in New Jersey, a student-employee was formally reprimanded for saying he didn't want to receive promotional e-mails advocating for the lesbian lifestyle, because that sent a message of a "threat," Lavy said.

Furthermore, statistics show that during 2004 there were only 774 actual "hate crimes" recorded, five murders, four rape and the rest assaults - all of which can be prosecuted without special federal laws, he said.

Rev. Ted Pike, of the National Prayer Network, has been especially active in warning Christians of the approaching danger.

"Most persons who are concerned about imminent passage of the federal 'anti-hate' bill don't realize that S. 1105 in the Senate and H.R. 1592 in the House are actually amendments to a federal hate law passed in 1969. During the height of the civil rights movement, 'Title 18, U.S.C., Sec. 245' stipulated that no one could verbally '...attempt to...intimidate' another person (chiefly black) away from enjoyment of their federally protected right to equal employment, public services, housing, voting rights, jury privileges, etc. If the government finds such verbal 'intimidation' in a state and state officials are not enforcing these guarantees, the federal government can invade states' rights in local law enforcement, upholding Title 18," he said.

Now, in 2007, he said, "the present hate bill grants [special rights] to homosexuals, transvestites, and transsexuals."

The proposal would make it "federally indictable to '...attempt to...intimidate' a homosexual from believing that he (even if he has AIDS or hepatitis) has the right to work in a restaurant, be employed as a police officer or summer camp counselor, or has equal rights to housing and employment anywhere he wishes," he said.

"A pastor, Christian broadcaster or publisher who verbally attempts to 'intimidate' homosexuals by describing homosexuality as an abomination (Lev. 18:22) are thus high-profile targets for indictment under this legislation," he said.

He noted that it also would be illegal for a Christian church to discriminate against an applicant as pastor because of his homosexuality or her lesbianism.

He said the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith has been leading the charge for such crime bills for years, and has explained on its website how its campaign already has installed laws at the state level.

Michael Marcavage, director of Repent America, Peter LaBarbera, of Americans for Truth, Brad Dacus, of Pacific Justice Institute, and others already have expressed their alarm.

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[url]http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=553 92[/url] Edited by: DixieDestroyer
 
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The fact that it's up to a vote on May 1st is no accident to those of us that know the meaning of "May Day."
 

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Baseball Fan said:
The fact that it's up to a vote on May 1st is no accident to those of us that know the meaning of "May Day."

Are you referring to "international socialists day" or its ugly cousin "mexican worker day"?
 
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The International Socialists/NWO/Illumanti day, the way it's been for years. Anyone who celebrates that or holds a big event on that day is clearly the enemy. Hitler was a tool of the NWO, this is one of the signs you could tell he celebrated this among where his money came from.
 

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The International Socialists/NWO/Illumanti day, the way it's been for years. Anyone who celebrates that or holds a big event on that day is clearly the enemy. Hitler was a tool of the NWO, this is one of the signs you could tell he celebrated this among where his money came from.

Not to high-jack this thread, but I've been reading up on the causes of war recently. Why do you consider Hitler a "tool of the NWO". I believe he was a racial nationalist which is pretty much the opposite of a globalist. The so-called "world domination" goal Hitler supposedly had was limited to historically Germanic lands. And where did his money come from?
 

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Baseball Fan said:
The International Socialists/NWO/Illumanti day, the way it's been for years. Anyone who celebrates that or holds a big event on that day is clearly the enemy. Hitler was a tool of the NWO, this is one of the signs you could tell he celebrated this among where his money came from.

Not to high-jack this thread, but I've been reading up on the causes of war recently. Why do you consider Hitler a "tool of the NWO". I believe he was a racial nationalist which is pretty much the opposite of a globalist. The so-called "world domination" goal Hitler supposedly had was limited to historically Germanic lands. And where did his money come from?

KP, this may be difficult for many to accept, but it was indeed the Globalist Elite who helped fund Hitler's rise to power. For example, Skull & Bonesman, CT Senator Prescott Bush had many financial ties with the Nazis (...and yes...I'm referring to current Globalist shill & fellow Skull & Bones Elitist George W. Bush's grandfather). Prescott Bush was a Director for companies which had several financial ties with Nazi Germany (prior to WWII). For much further detail, please read the following informative article...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.htmlEdited by: DixieDestroyer
 

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Having finacial ties and dictating Nazi policy are two different things. If you look at Nazi Germany's actual policies, they were still pretty much the opposite of globalism. People think that throwing out the dirty "Nazi" word in connection with something will automatically make that "something" evil. Kinda like commonly heard saying "Nazi-like gun control laws" when in fact the Nazi party loosened gun control laws in Germany.

I see no logical/ideological tie between national socialism of the Nazi type and world globalists. Despite the possibility of some money connections, they are ideological opposites. Thus, globalists funding a nationalist would defeat the globalists' agendas.Edited by: Kaptain Poop
 

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I use the term "fascist" myself sometimes to describe the current Permanent Regime in D.C., mainly becausethe fedgovand large corporations have melded their interests into one, much like fascist governments of the past. However, Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy had fascist systems that were primarily interested in looking out for the interests of the folk and lifting them up. Both had a very strong racial nationalist component, which is the opposite of the agenda ofWashington's Glorious Imperial Multicultural Empire. The interests controlling the USA Inc. and its global empire are rabid blenders and destroyers of distinct races,culturesand tribes of people, particularly whites. Monopoly capitalist interests want deracinated mindless consumers, and so do Zionists.Alas it makes for quite a convergence of anti-white interests at the top.
 
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This seems to be a very good debate and I will shime in. If Hitler was such a great nationalist with racial intentions then why didn't he just expell the jews into Northern Africa when he had the chance? Many of Hitler's biggest contributions came from Jewish German American bankers like the Warburg clan to name one. Also why did he willingly participate in the Zionist controlled setup state of Israel.

In Africa he would of had them away from the general population and there would have been more control. If Hitler wasn't an insider then why did his generals try to kill him? They knew something was up and rid through his rhetoric and didn't want to be set up to die. Hitler may of had the right ideas, but was only allowed to go as far as he did because the powers that be let him.

Let's put it this way World War II was Like the New York Yankees going against the Scranton Wilkes Berre Yankees, they both are funded by the same sides and one is set up to dominate the other is set up to lose and be controlled. Those that are Commie Sympathizers and general scumbags get to live the good life. People like us are shown phony leaders to give us false hope and we are duped, told that if we don't fall into the Idiot Box style of thinking we are racist.

A small example of this is the RNC letting Faux News choose the Republican canadidates instead of allowing all canadidates debate. They must be scared sh*tless of Ron Paul I guess. Even Tancredo, Hunter, and the barely palatable Jim Kilgore? Anyone who is not a puppet is a doomed failure, that's why they killed Verowoerd in South Africa, Shot Wallace, Defamed Duke and Buchanan.

There's my two fiat cents.
 

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The plan wasn't to put the Jews in North Africa. It was the Madagascar Plan. And supporting Zionism, at the time, probably seemed like another way to rid Germany of Jews without exterminating them.
 

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KG, you're right - it was the Madagascar plan. Most Jews, however, did not want to move out of Germany. Apparently the oppession wasn't that bad. It's further evidence that extermination was never "the plan."

As far as the bankers go, one of Hitler's first acts was to get rid of the Jewish controlled banks. He may have had dealings with certain banks, but by enlarge the banks came under control of the state. Later, he also started printing his own currency, a novel idea. Edited by: Kaptain Poop
 

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KP, there were several Globalist ties on the financial side initially.Also, Hitler did embrace many fascist ideals that the Globalist Controlled NeoCONs lean towards (ie - a police state). Here's an example of that...

[url]http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/operation_falcon_and_the _looming_police_state.htm[/url]Edited by: DixieDestroyer
 

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I've missed the news. Did the bill pass?

btw, thought you might like to check out the top news stories on Google, searching for 'hate crimes bill:'

hate crimes bill: Google news

In case you don't have time to check, the top news stories and almost all of the stories in general are pro-hate crime bill. The articles even complain about conservative pastors trying to defeat the legislation. I mean, the number one news story is from 'Town Hall - Gay Wired!' You can't tell me with a straight face that article is the most widely read news story on the hate crime bill on the entire Internet. Either Google is jacking with the results again or hackers are bombing the site to get hits. Edited by: White Shogun
 

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The vote is tomorrow on May 3rd. This will probably pass the democratic
House (thanks all you anti-war republicans who voted for democrats!).
The best chance to stop this is to do so in the Senate, where similar
legislation has been proposed by good ol' Teddy Kennedy, our american
friend!

Hope in the Senate

An extremely different reality exists in the Senate. The pro-hate bill
forces may have as many as 65 votes, more than the 60 necessary to win.
This includes about 14 Republicans; but if 6 Republicans are dissuaded
from supporting the hate bill, S. 1105 will not pass. The federal hate bill
would be destroyed, at least for this session of Congress.

Even though the hate bill S. 1105 is not scheduled for hearings this week,
I was told by a pro-hate bill staffer that, according to the discretion of
prime movers like Sens. Reid and Leahy, it could be moved forward very
rapidly next week, with virtually no advance notice.

Do we wait until Thursday evening, after probable defeat in the House,
before we turn our protest to the Senate? I think that could well be too
late.

Since the Senate, not the House, is where our greatest hope lies, I believe
it is necessary NOW to devote a sizable portion of our efforts to winning
Senate Republicans back. There are 14 Senate Republicans still in office
who voted for the hate bill in 2004.Here are 12 who might be persuaded
to come back to reality:

- Alexander, Lamar (TN)
- Bennett, Robert (UT)
- Coleman, Norm (MN)
- Collins, Susan (ME)
- Ensign, John (NV)
- Gregg, Judd (NH)
- Lugar, Richard (IN)
- Murkowski, Lisa (AK)
- Snowe, Olympia (ME)
- Stevens, Ted (AK)
- Voinovich, George (OH)
- Warner, John (VA)

In addition, there are 17 Republican Senators whose stand is either
unclear or unannounced. The pro-hate bill forces are working hard to
persuade them to vote with the Democrats. Lovers of freedom must work
even harder to keep them from succumbing. These possible "fence-
straddlers" are:

- Allard, Wayne (CO)
- Bond, Christopher (MO)
- Bunning, Jim (KY)
- Burr, Richard (NC)
- Crapo, Michael (ID)
- Dole, Elizabeth (NC)
- Domenici, Pete (NM)
- Graham, Lindsey (SC)
- Hagel, Chuck (NE)
- Hutchison, Kay (TX)
- Martinez, Mel (FL)
- McCain, John (AZ)
- Roberts, Pat (KS)
- Sununu, John (NH)
- Thomas, Craig (WY)
- Thune, John (SD)
- Vitter, David (LA)

Call all of the above immediately. Don't be shy about calling again in the
weeks ahead. Tell them that even if you don't live in the state, you will
give money to their next opponent to unseat them. Find out which are up
for election in 2008 and hit them especially hard.

Toll free numbers include 1-877-851-6437 and 1-866-220-0044, or
call toll 1-202-225-3121.
 

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Pitbull, thanks for the update and info. You're a great patriot. I also advise EVERYONE here to call asap and push against this dangerous legislation. IF this passes, they'll be looking to shut down paleo-Conservative, politically incorrect sites & dialog like this next!
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Bottom line (which is no joke, exaggeration or "conspiracy theory")...We MUST be very politically vigilant to take back our Republic folks...OR the megalomaniacal Globalist Elite (via their puppets in DC) will destroy our great Nation!!!It's time for action!!!
 

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If you guys are saying that Hitler encouraged people he branded as Jews to leave Germany, why do countless sources cite documented evidence from legal documents of the third Reich prohibiting Jews from fleeing the country.

Hitler ran a very controlled government and used the "Jewish oppression" to gain the support of the German people so they would obey him and give up civil liberties. However, Hitler initially targeted Communists. He started the Reichstag Fire most likely so he could begin the takeover.

The exterminations began around the same time Hitler launched the stupid "operation barbarosa" which cost him western Europe. Thats another thing. The Urals weren't Germanic, why did he want those?

Practicing Jews were very different from most Germans at the time making them easy scapegoats for the fascist power. However, they also targeted long assimilated Jews and some quarter Jews(although a fair amount of quarter Jews received Certificates of German blood.) There was a half jewish general, but his mother said that he was actually an incest baby and not the offspring of her Jewish husband so he was allowed in the SS.

If you think about things in the right way, what we have today and nazi germany are really two sides of the same coin.
 

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For ONCE, Globalist Elite shill Bush is throwing us (real) Conservatives a "bone" by talking veto of HR 1592. It's no doubt just an act of appeasement, but I'll take it none the less.


Bush Expected to Veto 'Hate Crimes' Bill

By Randy Hall
CNSNews.com Staff Writer/Editor
May 03, 2007

(1st Add: Includes comments from Focus on the Family and Reps. John Conyers and Lamar Smith.)

(CNSNews.com) - President Bush looks likely to veto a "hate crimes" bill under debate in the U.S. House of Representatives on Thursday if it is approved by Congress. Conservatives quickly responded by thanking the president for upholding "our nation's constitutional tradition of equal protection under the law."

"The administration favors strong criminal penalties for violent crime, including crime based on personal characteristics, such as race, color, religion or national origin," according to a statement released by the Executive Office of the President, and forwarded by Concerned Women for America.

"However, the administration believes that H.R. 1592 is unnecessary and constitutionally questionable," the release stated. "If H.R. 1592 were presented to the president, his senior advisors would recommend that he veto the bill. The sentence containing the veto reference was underlined in the statement.

"State and local criminal laws already provide criminal penalties for the violence addressed by the new federal crime defined in section 7 of H.R. 1592, and many of these laws carry stricter penalties (including mandatory minimums and the death penalty) than the proposed language in H.R. 1592," the statement said.

In addition, "state and local law enforcement agencies and courts have the capability to enforce those penalties and are doing so effectively."

"There has been no persuasive demonstration of any need to federalize such a potentially large range of violent crime enforcement, and doing so is inconsistent with the proper allocation of criminal enforcement responsibilities between the different levels of government," the office said.

"In addition, almost every state in the country can actively prosecute hate crimes under the state's own hate crimes law."

Matt Barber, policy director for cultural issues with Concerned Women for America, was quick to praise the statement.

"We thank President Bush for honoring our nation's constitutional tradition of equal protection under the law," said Barber in a statement.

Barber told Cybercast News Service Thursday that according to his sources in the White House, the president is inclined to follow his advisors' recommendations to veto the bill if passed.

Focus on the Family founder James Dobson also welcomed the undertaking.

"We applaud the president's courage in standing up for the constitution and the principle of equal protection under the law," he said in a statement. "The American justice system should never create second-class victims and it is a first-class act of wisdom and fairness for the president to pledge to veto this unnecessary bill."

As Cybercast News Service previously reported, the House is debating the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007 (H.R. 1592), which would "provide federal assistance to states, local jurisdictions and Indian tribes to prosecute hate crimes" involving "actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability."

The bill was first introduced on March 20 by Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.).

He told the House Thursday that "there are no First Amendment disabilities about this measure in any way. As a personal advocate of the First Amendment I can assure you that that would be the last thing that would be allowed to be in this bill."

Conyers said a vote for the bill would not be "a vote in favor of any particular sexual belief or characteristic. It's a vote, rather, to provide basic rights and protections for individuals so they are protected from assaults based on their sexual orientation."

Of reported hate crimes, Conyers told the House, 54 percent are based on race, 17 on "religious bias" and 14 percent on "sexual orientation bias."

Opposing the measure, Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) said the bill would result in disproportionate justice for victims of certain crimes.

"All violent crimes must be vigorously prosecuted. However this bill, no matter how well intended, undermines basic principles of our criminal justice system. Under this bill justice will no longer be equal but depend on the race, sex, sexual orientation, disability or status of the victim," he said.

"For example, criminals who kill a homosexual or a transsexual will be punished more harshly than criminals who kill a police officer, members of the military, a child, a senior citizen or any other person."

Smith also voiced concern that the measure would have a "chilling effect" on religious leaders and groups "who express their constitutionally protected beliefs."

He also argued that it was unconstitutional and would likely be struck down by the courts.

'Other classes would be without special status'

According to the Executive Office release, "H.R. 1592 prohibits willfully causing or attempting to cause bodily injury to any person based upon the victim's race, color, religion or national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability.

"The administration notes that the bill would leave other classes (such as the elderly, members of the military, police officers and victims of prior crimes) without similar special status," the release said. "The administration believes that all violent crimes are unacceptable, regardless of the victims, and should be punished firmly."

Also, the bill "raises constitutional concerns" because "federalization of criminal law concerning the violence prohibited by the bill would be constitutional only if done in the implementation of a power granted to the federal government, such as the power to protect federal personnel, to regulate interstate commerce or to enforce equal protection of the laws," the statement said.

Therefore, "it is not at all clear that sufficient factual or legal grounds exist to uphold this provision of H.R. 1592," the release added.

***Reference article link...

[url]http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archi ve/200705/POL20070503d.html[/url]
 
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Your right it was the Madagascar Plan, but didn't the Nazis control a portion of North Africa at the time?
 

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Your right it was the Madagascar Plan, but didn't the Nazis control a portion of North Africa at the time?

Well, after they (Germany not the "Nazis") defeated France they theoretically owned all French colonies. They expected Britain to either sign a peace treaty (Hitler was an anglophile and would rather not be at war with the UK but entangling alliances and all of that) or they thought Britain would capitulate like France had. Then Germany would use the British fleet to deport the Jews to Madagascar. Hitler and Co. thought International Jewry (through media and other influence) eventually brought the U.S. into the war further angering him.
 

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If you guys are saying that Hitler encouraged people he branded as Jews to leave Germany, why do countless sources cite documented evidence from legal documents of the third Reich prohibiting Jews from fleeing the country.

Hitler ran a very controlled government and used the "Jewish oppression" to gain the support of the German people so they would obey him and give up civil liberties. However, Hitler initially targeted Communists. He started the Reichstag Fire most likely so he could begin the takeover.

As far as I know, Germany was encouraging Jewish emigration. If you could post laws that say that it was illegal for Jews to leave Germany I would be interested in seeing them. They did pass many laws about taking possession of assests left behind by emigrating Jews - kinda like emigrating Palestinians losing their assests in Israel. But, to my knowledge no laws that made emigration illegal.

Why is Reichstag Fire now universalily accepted as a hoax put on by the Nazis? A Jewish communist from Russia was found on the scene by local police, arrested, and executed. I have seen no evidence, other than innuendo, that Nazis perpetrated the fire. Communist and Nazis, as well as other political factions, were fighting in the streets for years. It's not absurd to think that communists plotted to burn down the Reichstag. Terrorists acts were quite common in post WWI Germany. Why do some people so easily believe the Reichstag fire conspiracy theory, but completely deny any sort of 911 conspiracy theories?

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Fyi, Ron Paul's position on "Hate Crimes" laws like HR 1592...

Unconstitutional Legislation Threatens Freedoms

Congressman Ron Paul
May 7, 2007

Last week, the House of Representatives acted with disdain for the Constitution and individual liberty by passing HR 1592, a bill creating new federal programs to combat so-called "hate crimes." The legislation defines a hate crime as an act of violence committed against an individual because of the victim's race, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability. Federal hate crime laws violate the Tenth Amendment's limitations on federal power. Hate crime laws may also violate the First Amendment guaranteed freedom of speech and religion by criminalizing speech federal bureaucrats define as "hateful."

There is no evidence that local governments are failing to apprehend and prosecute criminals motivated by prejudice, in comparison to the apprehension and conviction rates of other crimes. Therefore, new hate crime laws will not significantly reduce crime. Instead of increasing the effectiveness of law enforcement, hate crime laws undermine equal justice under the law by requiring law enforcement and judicial system officers to give priority to investigating and prosecuting hate crimes. Of course, all decent people should condemn criminal acts motivated by prejudice. But why should an assault victim be treated by the legal system as a second-class citizen because his assailant was motivated by greed instead of hate?

HR 1592, like all hate crime laws, imposes a longer sentence on a criminal motivated by hate than on someone who commits the same crime with a different motivation. Increasing sentences because of motivation goes beyond criminalizing acts; it makes it a crime to think certain thoughts. Criminalizing even the vilest hateful thoughts--as opposed to willful criminal acts--is inconsistent with a free society.

HR 1592 could lead to federal censorship of religious or political speech on the grounds that the speech incites hate. Hate crime laws have been used to silence free speech and even the free exercise of religion. For example, a Pennsylvania hate crime law has been used to prosecute peaceful religious demonstrators on the grounds that their public Bible readings could incite violence. One of HR 1592's supporters admitted that this legislation could allow the government to silence a preacher if one of the preacher's parishioners commits a hate crime. More evidence that hate crime laws lead to censorship came recently when one member of Congress suggested that the Federal Communications Commission ban hate speech from the airwaves.

Hate crime laws not only violate the First Amendment, they also violate the Tenth Amendment. Under the United States Constitution, there are only three federal crimes: piracy, treason, and counterfeiting. All other criminal matters are left to the individual states. Any federal legislation dealing with criminal matters not related to these three issues usurps state authority over criminal law and takes a step toward turning the states into mere administrative units of the federal government.

Because federal hate crime laws criminalize thoughts, they are incompatible with a free society. Fortunately, President Bush has pledged to veto HR 1592. Of course, I would vote to uphold the president's veto.

***Source article/link..

http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2007/tst050707.htm
 
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