10.00 white guy

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A white South African, named Dean Wicks, just ran a 10.00.
I never heard of this guy ever.
The time needs to be officially ratified, but there seems to be some doubt as to its legitimatacy.
The headline for the link to the article was "Fast South African Sprint Marks for real?"
I guess the wind was OK; I don't know about the altitude, but it sounds like they are questioning the clock or the track or both.
 

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World championship relay gold medallist Lee-Roy Newton became
the fastest man over 100m in the history of South African athletics
when he was timed at 9.95 seconds in the 100m final at the
KwaZulu-Natal Athletics senior provincial track and field
championships in Durban on Saturday afternoon.

Should this time be ratified by Athletics South Africa (ASA) he will
join an elite group of just on 50 sprinters who have managed to
break through the 10-second barrier in the history of world athletics
and will also be in line for an ASA incentive bonus of R50 000 for
any athlete who breaks a South African record.


Running in Saturday's 100m final, Newton flashed across the finish
line virtually deadlocked with his Fast Feet clubmate and training
partner, Dean Wicks, who was timed at an equally impressive
10.00sec.

Fast Feet coaches, Mark Labuschagne and Victor Vaz, said they were
"astounded" when they glanced at their stop-watches to see that
both showed sub-10 seconds.


'We could not even separate them visually'
"We could not even separate them visually," said Vaz.

Labuschagne said that he had been "ecstatic" at the time.

"I was astounded to learn that the official hand-held stop-watch
time was 9.78 which compared with my time of 9.93 and Victor's
9.78 while the official electronic time showed up as 9.95.

"Now we face an agonising week or so to see if ASA are going to
ratify the time, and if they do so, it will not only be a new South
African record, but one of the fastest times for the 100m."

The official ASA record for the 100m stands at 10.06sec and was set
in 1988 by Johan Rossouw.


'I knew it was a fast race'
Labuschagne said that Wicks's time of 10.00sec for the 100m was
probably the fastest time ever recorded for a white athlete, and was
all the more remarkable as he had achieved it within two hours of
having won the 200m final in 20.33sec.

Newton, who is 28 years old and lives in Durban's Morningside
suburb, was formerly from Port Elizabeth. He came to Durban in
1999.

Newton has placed second the past four years in succession at the
national senior championships after winning the SA Under-23 100m
title in 2000.

"I knew it was a fast race," said Newton, "but everything seemed to
fall into place from when I came out of the starting blocks until I
breasted the tape."

Newton said he had been a little wary at the start as he had false-
started the first time and had waited for the gun.

"When Mark came up to me to show me his stop-watch we were
amazed," said Newton.

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C Darwin said:
World championship relay gold medallist Lee-Roy Newton became
the fastest man over 100m in the history of South African athletics
when he was timed at 9.95 seconds in the 100m final at the
KwaZulu-Natal Athletics senior provincial track and field
championships in Durban on Saturday afternoon.

Should this time be ratified by Athletics South Africa (ASA) he will
join an elite group of just on 50 sprinters who have managed to
break through the 10-second barrier in the history of world athletics
and will also be in line for an ASA incentive bonus of R50 000 for
any athlete who breaks a South African record.


Running in Saturday's 100m final, Newton flashed across the finish
line virtually deadlocked with his Fast Feet clubmate and training
partner, Dean Wicks, who was timed at an equally impressive
10.00sec.

Fast Feet coaches, Mark Labuschagne and Victor Vaz, said they were
"astounded" when they glanced at their stop-watches to see that
both showed sub-10 seconds.


'We could not even separate them visually'
"We could not even separate them visually," said Vaz.

Labuschagne said that he had been "ecstatic" at the time.

"I was astounded to learn that the official hand-held stop-watch
time was 9.78 which compared with my time of 9.93 and Victor's
9.78 while the official electronic time showed up as 9.95.

"Now we face an agonising week or so to see if ASA are going to
ratify the time, and if they do so, it will not only be a new South
African record, but one of the fastest times for the 100m."

The official ASA record for the 100m stands at 10.06sec and was set
in 1988 by Johan Rossouw.


'I knew it was a fast race'
Labuschagne said that Wicks's time of 10.00sec for the 100m was
probably the fastest time ever recorded for a white athlete, and was
all the more remarkable as he had achieved it within two hours of
having won the 200m final in 20.33sec.

Newton, who is 28 years old and lives in Durban's Morningside
suburb, was formerly from Port Elizabeth. He came to Durban in
1999.

Newton has placed second the past four years in succession at the
national senior championships after winning the SA Under-23 100m
title in 2000.

"I knew it was a fast race," said Newton, "but everything seemed to
fall into place from when I came out of the starting blocks until I
breasted the tape."

Newton said he had been a little wary at the start as he had false-
started the first time and had waited for the gun.

"When Mark came up to me to show me his stop-watch we were
amazed," said Newton.

No image on Google
I recall seeing their relay team that won silver in 2003 (or Edmonton in 2001, this team was later awarded gold when Montgomery was banned)being all white or having one mulatto sprinter. Many mulatto South Africans having Dutch surnames, I recall a long distance medalist Gert Thyss being mixed race.
 

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jacknyc said:
A white South African, named Dean Wicks, just ran a 10.00.
I never heard of this guy ever.
The time needs to be officially ratified, but there seems to be some doubt as to its legitimatacy.
The headline for the link to the article was "Fast South African Sprint Marks for real?"
I guess the wind was OK; I don't know about the altitude, but it sounds like they are questioning the clock or the track or both.
Altitude alone won't stop a mark from being official. Only the wind gauge or a timing error. Many times minor countries have had phenomenal times in the century and the rest of the world have scratched their heads. I recall a female Chinese runner running a 10.8 and she never did anything at a major meet. Also their was a slew of near flat tens by Ukranian sprinters when the country split away from the Soviet Union and most marks were treated as suspect.
 

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I can't see how this mark is legit.
This guy has never run under 10.4 before as far as I can tell. The guy who beat him had run 10.28 before, but still nothing to indicate either of these guys can suddenly get down to 10 flat.
Actually, even it is ratified, it won't do a lot of good, because the guy will never come close to that mark again, so it will always be doubted.
Of course, I'd be more than happy to eat my words and apologize, if by some miracle he can run inside of 10.10 again, or even sub 10.
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I hate to say it but I doubt the time too.Neither guy has been even close to running a sub 10.15! The wind was probably over the legal amount and possibly the timer was off too.I hope I'm wrong but I agree with jacknyc.It is just too suspicious.

On a good note,Morne Nagel of South Africa finished 2nd yesterday in a fast time of 6.61! He is in very good shape as he also finished 2nd in the 200 meters.He has always had the talent but just could never break through.Very similar to Shirvington and Macrozonaris.
I would love for all three of these guys to have a huge summer season and shock the world! I'm still keeping my fingers crossed.
 

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white lightning said:
I hate to say it but I doubt the time too.Neither guy has been even close to running a sub 10.15! The wind was probably over the legal amount and possibly the timer was off too.I hope I'm wrong but I agree with jacknyc.It is just too suspicious.

On a good note,Morne Nagel of South Africa finished 2nd yesterday in a fast time of 6.61! He is in very good shape as he also finished 2nd in the 200 meters.He has always had the talent but just could never break through.Very similar to Shirvington and Macrozonaris.
I would love for all three of these guys to have a huge summer season and shock the world! I'm still keeping my fingers crossed.
Everybody knows the wind gauge was out in Indy in 88' When Flo Juice ran her 10.49 as that broke the world record by nearly 3tenths of a second. It seems if foreign athletes get bizarre times that are out of their normal performance standards they are questioned like these two or some of the Russian and Chinese sprinters. But if it's an American then it's par for the course.......
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I still have a tape of Flo Jo's "record" - you can see how strong the wind was during the race by watching the flags sticking straight out horizontally and officials literally having to hold on to their hats. One of the announcers (former mile great Marty Liquori) groans audibly when Charlie Jones calls it a record.

I have my doubts regarding the times on these guys - electronic timers do foul up.

WIR is correct in his remarks on American (black) athletes having their marks accepted. In fact, black performers in general are never questioned. Patrick Sjoberg just missed 8' in the high jump in one meet, beating (proven drug cheat) Jose Sotomayor. Days later, Sotomayor clears 8' in a meet in Latin America, with Latin American officials, etc. How timely. He did do it again later, at slight altitude, but also doped to the gills. BTW, another WR you could call suspect was Willie Bank's former record in the triple jump, in the same stadium as Flo Jo's 100 meter run. Between the wind and officials, there's a good chance he never should have been given a record. Of course, the fine folks at TafNews etc. will howl if this is brought up. Same guys who defended Flo Jo, Marion, Gatlin... They'll claim they've never heard of this. Just like they claimed they didn't know about the Michael Johnson drug story back at the '92 Games.
 

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the slope on the track would need to be tested and also the length. if its a tartan / rubberized track the thickness of the rubber would need to be correct also. there is allot that goes into ratifying a record. so I doubt it legit. my guess? if the wind gauge is correct, a 99.5 meter dash sound correct. its happened before.
 

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Colonel Callan said:
I still have a tape of Flo Jo's "record" - you can see how strong the wind was during the race by watching the flags sticking straight out horizontally and officials literally having to hold on to their hats. One of the announcers (former mile great Marty Liquori) groans audibly when Charlie Jones calls it a record.

I have my doubts regarding the times on these guys - electronic timers do foul up.

WIR is correct in his remarks on American (black) athletes having their marks accepted. In fact, black performers in general are never questioned. Patrick Sjoberg just missed 8' in the high jump in one meet, beating (proven drug cheat) Jose Sotomayor. Days later, Sotomayor clears 8' in a meet in Latin America, with Latin American officials, etc. How timely. He did do it again later, at slight altitude, but also doped to the gills. BTW, another WR you could call suspect was Willie Bank's former record in the triple jump, in the same stadium as Flo Jo's 100 meter run. Between the wind and officials, there's a good chance he never should have been given a record. Of course, the fine folks at TafNews etc. will howl if this is brought up. Same guys who defended Flo Jo, Marion, Gatlin... They'll claim they've never heard of this. Just like they claimed they didn't know about the Michael Johnson drug story back at the '92 Games.
Hey Colonel can you go into the Johnson drug scandal in 92'? I have heard the rumours that he tanked the semi's because he knew he was dirty and would fail the finals? Is that what you were elaborating on?
 
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Johnson tanked because he couldn't keep up.

Ok White is RIght, here's the Reader's Digest version of the Johnson
scandal. The head coach of another country's team told this story to
myself and a few others. I will not give out the name or country of the
coach - but I will tell you this coach is from a country rich in sprinters -
not the U.S.. Several other top officials & coaches we spoke with later on
told us the same story:

Johnson was caught during a 'pop' (surprise) drug test. That he was found
to be using 'roids was no surprise, given the changes in his physique/
muscularity. To avoid another Ben Johnson situation, officials decided to
give him a semi-break. He could run, but only drug free. He was to
submit to constant testing and the threat of exposure. A 'food poisoning'
story was created. Johnson went on to medal in the relay, but had come
down to earth in the 200 etc. Is the story true? Wouldn't doubt it for a
second. The officials and coaches mentioned have told me other stories
that turned out in the end to be true. Johnson was back on track - pun
intended - for many more years, with an even more dramatic change in
physique to accompany his corresponding drop in times.

The '92 Games were marred by droves of (of course 'alleged') drug fueled
performances. Linford Christie in the 100 (at age 32 running his best),
Quincy Watts and Kevin Young running out of their heads in the 400 and
400 hurdles respectively - and then never doing much of anything again.
There were some funny moments - this was the year Amby Burfoot wrote
his "Why White Men Can't Run" article - part of RW's brainwashing to keep
whites from competitive. He said black Africans would win every distance
event. Then a Spaniard won the 1500, a German won the 5000, a
Moroccan the 10,000 and a Korean the Marathon (followed by a Japanese
and a German). Burfoot was reduced to pitiful excuses. On the women's
side, well, let's just say they didn't call Bob Kersee "Kersee the Chemist"
for no reason at all. Not that he was a chemist. He was just 'rumored' to
be highly dependent on certain doctors and drugs. I'm sure we all feel the
the same way, all of the talk about Kersee was indeed cruel rumors no
doubt. How's Flo Jo doing today? Has Jackie Joyner-Kersee's hairline
stopped receding yet? Is Gail Devers still claiming "Graves disease" even
though none of her symptoms matched up? All kinds of funny questions
one could ask... if you want to endure catcalls and howls of 'racism' used
to drown out facts.

An interesting side note is a story told to me after the Games in Sydney.
The officials said that a Kenyan who had won a distance event had been
caught using drugs, but there was enormous political pressure to let it go
- for the good of the Games, of course. And because sport is all these
poor, black, third world countries have, etc. Besides sports, they also have
several coaches and managers who aren't poor or African, but are part of
a group with a real axe to grind when it comes to whites. The officials let
it go, but this runner was then kept on a leash as part of the 'agreement'.
For some strange reason... he was never able to run anywhere near the
level he had exhibited the previous three seasons - and he was a young
guy. All kinds of injury and 'car accident' stories came up. I am sure most
track fans can figure out who I am writing about, and may have even
heard the story. I don't doubt that it's true. I have been told that a top
flight East African runner, an all-time great, had been popped for EPO
and it was dropped right away '...in the interest of the sport." Yeah, right.
Like Bernard Lagat's "false positive". Bernie runs for the US now. Isn't it
great? They aren't on drugs, but they sure take a lot of aspirin! : )
 
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