Young, Tarkenton, Elway, Staubach, and Rodgers!

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  1. Carolina Speed

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    With all the talk about quotabacks now, Wilson, Kaepernick, RG3, Vick, etc. in the league and quotabacks such as Cunningham, McNair, Stewart, etc. of the past, and how they will revolutionize the position. It's interesting to me that white QB's such as, Steve Young, Fran Tarkenton, John Elway, Roger Staubach, and Aaron Rodgers have already done that. Young, Elway, Staubach, and Rodgers are some of the best athletic, running, scrambling QB's of all-time and have won Super Bowl Titles!

    Fran Tarkenton didn't win a Super Bowl, but led the Minnesota Vikings to 3 Super Bowl appearances and retired as the NFL's all time rushing leader among QB's with 3,674 yards. He now ranks 4th all time.


    Steve Young ranks 3rd all time with 4,239 yards rushing. 3 Super Bowl Rings.

    John Elway, ranks 7th, with 3,407 yards. 2 Super Bowl Rings.

    Roger Staubach, who missed 4 - 5 years of his prime from 22- 27 years old, honoring his commitment to the Navy, ranks 12th all time, with 2,268 yards. 2 Super Bowl Rings/5 Super Bowl appearances!

    Now Aaron Rodgers has already run for over 1,500 yards in his young career without really trying. Not sure of his ranking, but probably around the top 20. 1 Super Bowl Ring.

    It seems there's no revolutionizing needed. White QB's have been there and done that to the tune of 14 Super Bowl appearances and 8 rings.

    Quotabacks, you've got a lot catching up to do!
     
  2. Awake in America

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    Another scrambler from the 70s and early 80s was Ken Anderson, who had a Super Bowl appearance. Terry Bradshaw was also a pretty good runner, with over 2200 career yards, and 32 rushing touchdowns. This was back when sacks counted against rushing yards in the stats. Even Theismann wasn't a bad runner.

    When you look at the passing ability of the guys we have named, only one or two black QBs can possibly even enter the conversation, and those are Moon and McNabb. That's it, and we're only talking about QBs that could and would run.
     
  3. Carolina Speed

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    Correct Awake in America. I took in to account the top 10 rushing QB's of all time. However, I had to include Roger Staubach, my favorite QB. Although he ranks only 12th in rushing, he missed so much of his prime and retired as the number 3 rushing QB of all time. He was the first player to win the Heisman and Super Bowl MVP. If you watch his highlights in college at Navy, you can see his great athleticism and running ability as well being able to throw with accuracy on the run!

    Warren Moon only rushed for 1,736 yards in 16 seasons in the NFL.

    Roger Staubach rushed for 2,268 yards in only 10 years.

    No quotaback in the top ten, in fact only 1 black QB period has a Super Bowl ring considered a starter. Doug Williams only rushed for 884 yards.

    Yes, Ken Anderson is right behind Staubach in rushing yards with 2,220 in 15 seasons in the NFL.

    7 of the top 13 rushing QB's are white, despite the run first mentality of most black QB's, and none of the black QB's have a Super Bowl Title.

    White QB's if you include Anderson have 15 appearances and 8 Super Bowl Titles.

    Tarkenton and Staubach were the first really great running QB's. Steve Young was probably the best.
     
  4. Carolina Speed

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    I stand corrected. My apologies CF. Terry Bradshaw ranks just behind Staubach with 2,257 yards and then Ken Anderson, I think.

    Well now that changes things dramatically! Whitey holds 8 of the top 14 rushing QB's with,

    19 Super Bowl Appearances and 12 Super Bowl Titles!

    Bradshaw 4 for 4 in Super Bowls!

    D@#% quotabacks got even more work to do!
     
  5. Leonardfan

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    This is why I feel Manziel will be a good nfl qb - he plays more like Tarkenton. He is able to make something out of nothing with broken plays instead of running a predictable spread option offense.
     
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    Bingo! Leonardfan. One of the reasons for starting this thread, besides the obvious, white QB's were the original and still are the best running QB's, was, to see if someone would mention Manziel.

    How many here at CF really believe Manziel will do what the recent influx of quotabacks, except maybe Wilson, have not been able to do?

    Will he (Manziel), be like a Tarkenton as you mentioned Leonardfan? Or perhaps a Steve Young, Staubach, or even an Aaron Rodgers. Let's hope so.

    How ironic would it be for the DWF's, who so crave the great black affletic QB, for a white QB to come into the NFL and do what the recent quotabacks can't.
     
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    From Brees to Rodgers to Manziel. White QBs keep getting more athletic.
     
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    Even with all of the white quarterbacks mentioned who were outstanding runners, the route to victory in the NFL is still via the air. Manziel's success is going to depend on his ability to make reads at the line and in the pocket, and deliver the football with accuracy and velocity. His legs can extend plays and drives, but only when necessary, and every time will be a risk. His draft position will be interesting from a Caste analysis perspective, but I wouldn't take him very early if I were calling the shots.
     
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    Bradshaw, the first overall pick of the 1970 draft out of a small college program, was an animal when he came into the league. Country strong, an accurate "rocket arm," and could run well, everything black quarterbacks are alleged to have going for them but don't, but in Bradshaw's case it was for real. The knock against him was that he wasn't bright, something that's taboo to say about a black quarterback even though Bradshaw was more gifted upstairs than the vast majority of them. But ol' self-deprecating Terry is also a DWF in spirit, being among the biggest media boosters of black QBs.
     
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    The biggest X-factor that argues against Blacks being successful quarterbacks of ANY persuasion (runner, passer, combination) is that they are, quite bluntly, not bright enough to play the position.

    That isn't to say they CAN'T play the position, because honestly they CAN.

    It's just that the best White quarterbacks will always, Always, ALWAYS be superior to the best Black ones. The reason being that White quarterbacks are easily a match for the alleged running skills that Black quarterbacks are supposedly unique in possessing, and will certainly be superior in the brain department.

    This is EXACTLY why you will rarely see—in a relative sense to how often you'll see their White counterparts—a Black airline pilot, fighter pilot, surgeon, or other person charged with millions of dollars of equipment and the possible life or death of people relying on HIS brain.

    Of course TV and movies will lie to the [idiot] public and give us the impression that there are an equal number of Black intellectuals to White ones, meanwhile ignoring the reality that if there are ANY people who belong in the operating room next to White doctors, it's Asian males and dudes from the Indian subcontinent.

    As in, NOT Tyrone.

    Oh look! The genius detective who solved the unsolvable crime is Black! According to the television show...

    Uh...

    The White brain is simply superior to the Black one, and no amount of lying or social engineering can change these facts. The best Black quarterbacks will always look like pure sh*t compared to the best White ones, and it just sticks in the Jew media's craw.

    So, if Blacks are inferior to Whites at quarterback, why even bother with having a Black quarterback?

    It's the same with ANY profession. Whites will ALWAYS be the best at everything. FACT. Don't like it, mainstream media? Too bad.

    So they try to force affirmative action by replacing superior White QBs with crummy Black ones, and go into full propaganda mode in convincing everyone that they didn't just pull a mega mulligan and that some retard like RGIII is actually deserving of mention in the same sentence as Peyton Manning or Joe Montana.
     
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    Another great runner from the 70's, before injuries hurt his career was Steve Grogan. He's just behind Bradshaw with 2,167 yards and 35 rushing TD's. Grogan once rushed for 539 yards in a season. Steve Young's best season was 537 yards.

    Greg Landry who played for the Detroit Lions in the 70's, rushed for over 500 yards twice in 71 and 72 and is ranked number 10 all time rushing QB's with 2,655 yards
     
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    Greg Landry's running ability gave him the nickname of "Galloping Greg."
     
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    I think it was columnist Dick Young who wrote sometime in the 1970's that because Terry Bradshaw was blond and blue-eyed, people got away with calling him dumb.

    When Bradshaw was on his game, he threw the long pass with amazing accuracy and could complete the short ones that required a good passing touch.
     
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    I just voted on the Nissan (espn) heisman vote. I was surprised that despite the media onslaught on who SHOULD win the heisman (winston and now andre williams) that people's vote had Manziel first and Jordan Lynch second. More evidence that the Heisman is all about those who control the media.

    I put this tidbit on this thread b/c the title describes Manziel and Lynch. Both will be minimized in the draft Tebow-style.
     
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    Nice thread, Carolina Speed. Another Quarterback who could run with the best of them was Jake Plummer, it was mainly an afterthought though. I remember a couple of spectacular runs when he was with the Broncos. The video below doesn’t include any scrambles or runs, but you can see on a few roll outs how quick and natural he was.

    [video=youtube;pl6QmrTeGE0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl6QmrTeGE0[/video]
     
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    I forgot all about Plummer! He was one of my fav QBs back when I started paying attention to football in 98 and on forward until he was unceremoniously dumped in Denver. He played on some really bad Arizona teams and actually made them competitive. This is another guy Manziel can be compared to.
     
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    A week or so ago, Fran Tarkenton said he was the greatest QB of all time. "I could outplay all of them," Tarkenton claims.
     
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    Yeah.. I don't think Plummer ever got enough credit in Arizona. I still remember that late 90s Cards team he took into Dallas & got the Cards their first road playoff win in (literally) 50 years.

    Coryell & Jim Hart had lost a couple playoff games with the Cards in the 70s, but by the late 90s, StLouis/Arizona hadn't won a playoff game since the '40s.. Plummer played behind some pretty bad O-lines in Arizona, & unfortunately ended up spending too much time on his back.. still was one of the best in that 98 season.

    Anyways, I hope everybody has a good Thanksgiving, its off to the in'laws.. :sleep:
     
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    Another really good quarterback with a reputation as a journeyman is Rich Gannon of the Vikings and Raiders, who pretty much came from nowhere to lead the terrible Raiders to a Superbowl appearance.

    Of course, in that Superbowl, Gannon threw several costly picks, but just getting to the big dance (it was against the Bucs, I believe) was a nice accomplishment for him, considering he was never considered a franchise guy.

    Gannon had well over 2,400 rushing yards in his career, with a more-than-decent average per carry, I believe between 4.5 and 5.0.

    It really says something when White also-rans are LEAGUES better than the best of the Black QBs.
     
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    Jim McMahon was a guy who could move. He wasn't a stat monster in passing or running, but he had the instincts and athleticism to pull something out of the hat when needed. He liked to go headfirst too and at 6' 1" and 195 he's paying the price.

    When he had the headband flap with Mr. Corporate Pete Rozelle he answered by wearing a headband that said "Rozelle" on it. Classic.

    And I don't think atypically ****y McMahon has ever uttered the phrase "Aw shucks" once in his life.
     
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    I first saw Gannon in the mid-80s at a Vikings passing scrimmage. I was instantly a big fan and couldn't wait for him to get his shot. He may have played in 3 straight superbowls as a Raider if fate and bad luck hadn't gotten in the way. He got injured early in a playoff game from cheap shot by some fat slob on the Baltimore Ravens. The Ravens went on to win the superbowl. The next year he was the victim of the famous Tuck-rule which I believe was misinterpreted. Tom Brady and the Pats went on to win the superbowl. The next year he and the Raiders finally made it to the SB only to face their previous year's coach - Gruden. Not a good match-up for Gannon. The next season Gannon at about 40 years of age had a career ending neck injury. I can't think of a more dominant and athletic QB at that age.
     
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    He has received a lot of flack for that, but I like that he said. He is always left off the list only because he has never won a superbowl. He did guide his team to three superbowl appearances which is more than Peyton Manning and several others on the list. He also played his first 6 years on an expansion Viking team in the same division as the dominant Green Bay Packers and then 5 more years spent making a terrible Giants team into a .500 team. He had three chances losing to three of the most dominant teams of the seventies; the undefeated Dolphins, Steelers, and Raiders. To get to those superbowls he often had to beat great teams like Staubach's Cowboys, and the Rams. He would have played in four straight SBs had it not been for the famous Hail Mary pass.
     
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    Bobby Douglass was a journyman qb and did not have much success as a passer but was one the most athletic qbs to ever play the position.

    Mark Brunell was also a very athletic qb and a good passer to boot. The jaguars teams he played on were usually competitive.
     
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    Douglass holds the record for qbs for most rushing yards per game in a season. He would hold the season rushing record but it was only 14 games, he would have had 1106 yards rushing over 16 games, Vick has the record of 1039. Douglass averaged 69.1 yards per game rushing, Vick averaged 64.9.

    Another thing for comparing those seasons, Vick had only 2 rushing tds, Douglas had 8

    And as far as Brunell, I think thats the last time the Jaguars were actually competitive, if memory serves me right.
     

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