Wladimir Klitschko vs. Sultan Ibragimov

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Wlad fought a very smart, safe fight. He could stay outside and toss his left all day long. He didn't need to take risks, or mix it up. He was barely touched, and dominated the match.He won, his white opponent wasn't beaten to a pulp, and both were uninjured. lbragimov's only loss is to Klitschko, not too shabby at all for us.
 

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"He won, his white opponent wasn't beaten to a pulp, and both were uninjured.lbragimov's only loss is to Klitschko, not too shabby at all for us."

Great point, just what I was thinking, too.

Also, the fact that Sultan's only loss wasnt a KO or TKO to Wlad...that's more than almost anyone who's ever fought him can say. Another positive note is the fact that Sultan's career is not even close to over, he's got plenty of fights left to work his way back to Wlad or some other title. I really liked Wlad's interview with Conan O' Brien, he was funny, intellgent and charming. Hopefully he's on his way to becoming a "drunk white household name."

As far as Kellerman goes...I wish Wlad would have smashed his disrepectful little b*tch face inside out (that way the short-attention-span white idiots could see their precious "KO").
 
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I thought the Joe Louis documentry was good and informative. I did not know that he was a prolific philander. It did mention his downward spiral over alcohol/drugs,dumb spending as well as a stint in a mental ward. He was a great fighter who when crushed by Max Schmeling, came back and returned the favor in devestating affect.

But what pissed me off was that the piece attempted to blame his down fall on us---White America. It never put the sole blame on him for his misfortunes during his career or later in life.

It did mention 'Old Blue Eyes', Frank Sinatra helping him out both personally and financially. One person they purposelly left out, I believe was Max Schmeling. He gave alot of money to Joe during his hard times.

The doc went on to say that America gave him a Coke a Cola distributorship to Max, and gave go Joe nothing. I think maybe mental capacity or intelligence had something to due with it. Just the MSM at it best.
 
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Alapha Male, that is the reason I never buy that magazine anymore. It seems all they want is blks dominating in Football and Basketball. I use to subscribe to it as a youth but stopped years ago. When Wlad unifies the HW division it should be on the front cover of the magazine, but I doubt they will.
 

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Kukulcan said:
Alapha Male, that is the reason I never buy that magazine anymore. It seems all they want is blks dominating in Football and Basketball. I use to subscribe to it as a youth but stopped years ago. When Wlad unifies the HW division it should be on the front cover of the magazine, but I doubt they will.

I suppose the populace is shocked that most of the "stars" (those guys who are allowed to run with the football and those guys allowed to throw up a bunch of shots in basketball) are black in leagues that are 70+% black...

Not only that, the White stars are intentionally ignored by the MSM. How DARE those Whites (who are allowed to COMPETE) challenge the unquestionable "reality" of "black dominance"!


Well, like with boxing, we are seeing first hand what happens when Whites are allowed to compete. We hold our own and, often times, downright DOMINATE!

How is that even possible?
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And, shouldn't the "impossible" be all over the sports mags and media, and dissected every which way? After all, it's a man bites dog story.


P.S. Nordics need to get into boxing because the Eastern Euros need better competition; some Aussie and New Zealand blokes as well. We need to have fighting spirit, and we need to be on the stage. It would be like the competition between Eastern Euros and Nordics in Strongman and Powerlifting. May the best man win!
 

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Deadlift said:
Not only that, the White stars are intentionally ignored by the MSM. How DARE those Whites (who are allowed to COMPETE) challenge the unquestionable "reality" of "black dominance"!


Well, like with boxing, we are seeing first hand what happens when Whites are allowed to compete. We hold our own and, often times, downright DOMINATE!

How is that even possible?
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And, shouldn't the "impossible" be all over the sports mags and media, and dissected every which way? After all, it's a man bites dog story.


This is how our beloved MSM is noticing--by continuingits rear-guard action of asserting that their beloved black champions of the '60s and '70s were far better and more charismatic than the current white champions. Here's a snippet from an SI article about HBO's special on Joe Louis: "Saturday night's fight between Wladimir Klitschko and Sultan Ibragimov is being ballyhooed as a heavyweight championship unification bout. That doesn't mean all that much in these days of balkanized belts, faceless titleholders and the general eclipse of boxing. Ah, but once there were giants. For a sense of just what the heavyweight title meant in an earlier time -- both in the world of sport and beyond -- tune in a couple of hours before Klitschko and Ibragimov get ready to rumble (or stumble, or whatever it is today's big men do) for HBO's lovingly produced and provocative "Joe Louis: America's Hero. . .Betrayed, a documentary on perhaps the greatest and most important heavyweight cahmpion of all time."


The racist piece ends with this vicious gratuitous insult: "As historian Gerald Early puts it, 'You have to say that if [Louis] hadn't lived, this century would have been different." No one is likely to say that about Wladimir Klitschko."
 

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Wlad has started the Revolution -- and there's little the "Culture of Critique" wimps can do to stop the White Waves that will follow. The White hunger ain't going to end anytime soon.

I think we've rode out the storm. I am not naive, but there are so many more things than Football. There are now so many videos and highlights of White boxers doing their thing. So beautiful!


They wanted us to believe that black supremacy was "proven" -- an open and shut case -- with the 1936 Olympics. That's certainly one of the earliest things I've seen them use to "prove" black physical dominance. They also use that to try and justify the Caste System. Anyway, Whites would not give up the struggle so easily. We didn't hide under our beds and capitulate.

Fast forward to today: We are a physically huge and powerful race and with advanced training and nutrition, we are faster and stronger. Reality is, the struggle never ended. Yes, some sports and some of the U.S. Olympic teams have artificial black dominance or representation, but it's not because Whites are "AFRAID" to compete. There are so many physical endeavors that Whites have engaged in in the last 50+ years.

The marxist propaganda regarding the '36 Olympics has little effect on me, but if anyone can recommend some no-nonsense debunking, I'll gladly read it! I wonder, did Whites even win any medals... in swimming at least??
 
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The current line is that Lewis was the last "real" champion, but he was hardly the invincible black superhuman that these guys are made out to be. He had bad losses to Rahman and McCall, and retired at 38 just as he was getting too old to confidently handle contenders.
 
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I was hoping for a Wlad KO to put him in the top 10 pound-for-pound rankings. Don't think that will happen now but he is close. Looks like Povetkin is next in line.

Wlad could have Koed him at any point he wanted.

Everytime he brought a right hand behind his jab Sultan was in deep trouble.
 

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Deadlift said:
They wanted us to believe that black supremacy was "proven" -- an open and shut case -- with the 1936 Olympics. That's certainly one of the earliest things I've seen them use to "prove" black physical dominance. They also use that to try and justify the Caste System. Anyway, Whites would not give up the struggle so easily. We didn't hide under our beds and capitulate.


The marxist propaganda regarding the '36 Olympics has little effect on me, but if anyone can recommend some no-nonsense debunking, I'll gladly read it! I wonder, did Whites even win any medals... in swimming at least??


The 1936 Summer Olympics was dominated by none other than. . . Germany:


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nevada said:
The current line is that Lewis was the last "real" champion, but he was hardly the invincible black superhuman that these guys are made out to be. He had bad losses to Rahman and McCall, and retired at 38 just as he was getting too old to confidently handle contenders.
He also had stinker fights like this too. During the broadcast the fight against Macrovic was mentioned. It looked like Wlad realized he couldn't ko Sultan if he didn't take unnecessary risks, so he didn't. With that long jab and his new cautious style it could be long nights for Wlad's opponents for the next few years.Edited by: white is right
 

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Congrats to Wlad!
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Just another step toward an undisputed, unified white heavyweight champion! I can't wait!
 
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I actually considered this fight a treat. You have the best heavyweight currently competing ( In my opinion the best ever ) fighting an opponent that is arguably the second best heavyweight and inarguably at least a top ten heavyweight and Vlad Klitschko fights so skillfully with one hand that he really does not need his right hand to win. We may never see this level of skill again in any other fighter.
 

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Vlad Klitschko fights so skillfully with one hand that he really does not need his right hand to win. We may never see this level of skill again in any other fighter.

It really is as simple as that: he almost won every round with one hand. He did not have to fight like a refugee like John Duddy just did over the weekend and muck things up; and he did not back up to the ropes and let the smaller man wail away at him like Ali used to do.

The jealous, critical U.S. boxing media just cannot find it within themselves to see this man for what he is.
 
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Tired old White said:
I actually considered this fight a treat. You have the best heavyweight currently competing ( In my opinion the best ever ) fighting an opponent that is arguably the second best heavyweight and inarguably at least a top ten heavyweight and Vlad Klitschko fights so skillfully with one hand that he really does not need his right hand to win. We may never see this level of skill again in any other fighter.


I agree.

The boxing forum wiggers are driving each other into a gay feeding frenzy in their hatred of the big strong healthy honest and highly intelligent White man that so totally dominates the heavyweight division, perhaps as no one else ever has before, at least back to the days of John L. Sullivan - the heavyweight division that they thought was so securely a ******* sinecure.

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Let me see, what other wigger fa g got boxing forums can I harass?



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A good and fair article on the fight, for a change.














Graham Houston
The Fight Writer


Fightwriter: Easy Does It!
February 25, 2008
By Graham Houston


Even though he did not get the KO that trainer Emanuel Steward so clearly wanted, Wladimir Klitschko at least gave an utterly dominating performance against Sultan Ibragimov in their heavyweight unification title fight on Saturday Night on HBO.
Really, this ceased to be a competitive fight after the second round. Ibragimov tried, but nothing was working.
What the fight showed yet again was how difficult it is to beat Klitschko. With his height, reach, control of the ring and punching power he is able to keep his opponents contained and outclass them. Fighters who try to go right at him risk being punished with counter punches, while those who stay outside cannot cope with Klitschko's steady and effective left jab.
Ibragimov's tactics were predictable and on paper seemed sensible enough: keep moving, attack in spurts and try to land the left hand from the southpaw stance. The left jab, the constant pressure of the much bigger man and the threat of Klitschko's right hand almost immediately negated such tactics, however.
It seemed to me that almost every time Ibragimov made as if to throw a punch there was the left jab in his face. The jab almost seemed to follow Ibragimov around the ring. He was never able to get into position to make a serious charge.
By the later rounds Klitschko was making it look almost easy, stepping away to let Ibragimov's swings and hooks fall short, then coming back in again with the jab.
The crowd became restless, but while I am probably in the distinct minority I did not mind the clinical and technical performance.
Against a shifty and shorter opponent, Klitschko did not want to throw too many right hands in case he overshot the mark and looked clumsy. The jab was working beautifully. There was always the risk that one of Ibragimov's swings would hit him flush should he get careless. He was probably thinking: "Why change anything?"Â
As for Ibragimov, he was in an almost impossible situation. On the outside he was being jabbed all night, yet to try to attack would mean the very real chance of getting hit very hard indeed by the right hand that Klitschko had cocked and ready to throw.
Ibragimov felt that right hand when he was pushed back into a squatting position on the ropes in the ninth round (referee Wayne Kelly would have been within the rules to have called this a knockdown).
There was a reason that Ibragimov did not just go in and try to make a fight of it, and that reason was the Klitschko right hand.
Ibragimov's occasional rushes got him nowhere, with Klitschko either backing off or clinching. I think that Emanuel Steward would have liked to have seen Klitschko fire punches at such moments, but Ibragimov's attacks were brief and sudden and I always get the impression that Klitschko's first priority in these situations is not to get hit. There was never a sustained effort by Ibragimov, but the sporadic surges seemed to unsettle Klitschko a little, and by the time he was ready to punch, Ibragimov was off and away again.
I could understand the crowd's impatience, but Ibragimov's style made it an awkward night for Klitschko. Ibragimov showed a sturdy chin â€" one punch was never going to get the job done against him â€" and Klitschko wasn't able to land the right anywhere near consistently enough to break down the rival champion.
The landslide decision win leaves Klitschko in possession of three belts â€" IBF, WBO, IBO â€" with two to go in his unification quest. He would be a big favourite over the winner of the WBA title rematch between Ruslan Chagaev and Nikolai Valuev or the victor in the WBC title fight between Oleg Maskaev and Samuel Peter â€" he already holds a win over Peter, of course. If there was any doubt about Klitschko being the best heavyweight in the world, the easy win over Ibragimov surely removed it.
Players who bet on Klitschko by decision or took the "over 9.5"Â proposition had a good night. A late show of Ibragimov money brought the odds on Klitschko down to a very bettable -300 or thereabouts at some sportsbooks. Sometimes the late money turns out to be the smart money, but not always: there was a late rush of money on Kelly Pavlik over Jermain Taylor in Las Vegas the previous weekend, but the last-minute players bumped up Winky Wright to the position of clear favourite over Bernard Hopkins.
I had expected Klitschko to be able to stop Ibragimov in the later stages of the fight but I cannot criticise him for outclassing a capable opponent who had made up his mind that if he could not win he definitely was not going to get knocked out.
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Graham Houston has been a boxing writer for nearly five decades. Since his first weekly column in the South London Advertiser in the early 1960s to becoming editor of Boxing News in 1974 to his first fight covered in Las Vegas - Salvador Sanchez vs Wilfredo Gomez at Caesars Palace in August 1980 - Graham has endured the trials and tribulations of the boxing world to become the American Editor of Boxing Monthly in 1992. He is the author of Superfists: The story of the Heavyweight Champions (Bounty Books, 1975). Graham Houston is the quintessential boxing writer. His website the "FIGHTWRITER" focuses on fight previews and analysis.
Visit veteran boxing writer Graham Houston's FIGHTWRITER for the latest previews and Graham's fight odds!
 
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WW it good to see you back here. I still remember that story of you friend who was a back Dr who then complained to his wife about his unknown back problem.

Anyways, regarding Wlad, I remember when he went on a streak of knocking out all the supposed 'real heavyweights' code for negro fighters. One thrue fourth he KO'd them all with devastating effect. The MSM at the time only gave him begrudgely respect. Now that he has one fight that goes the distance against a white fighter, the feeding freenzie begins.

How many fights did their beloved Ali have like this? I would say almost a dozen, and in most of them he should have lost or been scored a draw. To me its just typical. All Wlad has to do is keep winning until he is the unified champ. I just read an article on ESB and Livingston Bramble the one time lightweight champ who beat Ray Mancini twice, stated that Wlad is now the dominate Heavyweight who ranks in domination as Louis, Ali and Johnson did in their times.

I believe he is more crediable than those white/tribe writers who never laced on a pair of gloves, let alone when challenged, stood thier ground in a fight. I suspect they ran away screaming for help. Pathetic.
 
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Don Wassall said:
Deadlift said:
Not only that, the White stars are intentionally ignored by the MSM. How DARE those Whites (who are allowed to COMPETE) challenge the unquestionable "reality" of "black dominance"! Well, like with boxing, we are seeing first hand what happens when Whites are allowed to compete. We hold our own and, often times, downright DOMINATE! How is that even possible?
smiley2.gif
And, shouldn't the "impossible" be all over the sports mags and media, and dissected every which way? After all, it's a man bites dog story. 


This is how our beloved MSM is noticing -- by continuing its rear-guard action of asserting that their beloved black champions of the '60s and '70s were far better and more charismatic than the current white champions. Here's a snippet from an SI article about HBO's special on Joe Louis: "Saturday night's fight between Wladimir Klitschko and Sultan Ibragimov is being ballyhooed as a heavyweight championship unification bout.  That doesn't mean all that much in these days of balkanized belts, faceless titleholders and the general eclipse of boxing.  Ah, but once there were giants.  For a sense of just what the heavyweight title meant in an earlier time -- both in the world of sport and beyond -- tune in a couple of hours before Klitschko and Ibragimov get ready to rumble (or stumble, or whatever it is today's big men do) for HBO's lovingly produced and provocative "Joe Louis: America's Hero. . .Betrayed, a documentary on perhaps the greatest and most important heavyweight cahmpion of all time."


The racist piece ends with this vicious gratuitous insult:  "As historian Gerald Early puts it, 'You have to say that if [Louis] hadn't lived, this century would have been different."  No one is likely to say that about Wladimir Klitschko."

During the late 1960's, those who said that Dempsey, Marciano, or Tunney were better champions tham Ali were mocked for taking this view. I recall a black writer saying something like, "Since there isn't a white fighter around today up to the job, they have to go back to old-time fighters and claim they were better."

Well, now when the best heavyweights are white, look what is happening. Incidentally, in the book Joe Louis put out around 30 years ago, he went out of his way to blame himself for his problems. Louis took responsibility for his own troubles.
 

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I have a different take on this fight. Vlad blew it. He was fighting at Madison Square Gardens in a HW unification bout on a highly hyped HBO program. Time to put on a show. The guy is an entertainer. People pay to watch boxing because they want to be entertained.

Spending 12 rounds at a safe distance jabbing and slapping punches away was stupid. Especially since he had so many critics watching. He should have lit into Ibragimov and pummeled him and KO'ed not just his opponant but his doubters. That's what a champion does. Too bad his brother had to quit, because that is what Vitaly would have done.
 
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I have a different take on this fight. Vlad blew it...



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Wouldn't you be happier on a wigger fa g got boxing forum, like the one above that just cursed me out and banned me?

Wlad is not an "entertainer". This is not Vince McMahon's WWWA, not yet anyway. Wlad is an athlete, a boxer, the best in the world. His job is to win and not get hurt in the process, and ideally not seriously injure his adversary either, not to titillate wigger f a g gots (no offense).

Speaking of wigger f a g gots, little bug eyes put on another one of his performances, accusing Wlad of deliberately stepping on the Sultan's feet, then rudely interrupting Wlad in the post-fight interview. On the other hand, I think that Lennox Lewis was pretty good.

"WW it good to see you back here. I still remember that story of you friend who was a back Dr who then complained to his wife about his unknown back problem."

Thanks, bro. Sports med physician, physiatrist. And yeah, unfortunately they don't really know how to fix most back problems, or even what causes it in the first place, but they can make it worse all right, especially surgeons.




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Werewolf, come on, why blatantly insult someone like that over stating an valid opinion?

To suggest that Jaxvid is a "wigger" is foolish in every way. Seriously, you know the guy is a true supporter of white athletes....so why say that?

He was only saying that BECAUSE Wlad is a white champ... the ACTUAL reverse-racist, wigger sportswriters, analysts, and fans expect 100 times more from him (like a KO against a guy when it was obviously possible).Edited by: Thrashen
 
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I thought this werewolf guy went away, but I guess I was not so lucky.

Thankfully he was banned on the boxing sites.
 
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Thrashen said:
Werewolf, come on, why blatantly insult someone like that over stating an valid opinion?

To suggest that Jaxvid is a "wigger" is foolish in every way. Seriously, you know the guy is a true supporter of white athletes....so why say that?

He was only saying that BECAUSE Wlad is a white champ... the ACTUAL reverse-racist, wigger sportswriters, analysts, and fans expect 100 times more from him (like a KO against a guy when it was obviously possible).


It's not the difference of opinion, Thrashen. I don't like him. I think he's a wigger spy.

:)

When the wigs, who follow me around like gnats following a lion, like that last a-hole, Nevada, try to jump me, that guy joins in with them, and since he's a mod here he also amuses himself by altering and deleting my posts.




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"like a KO against a guy when it was obviously possible"


As you and I both know, brother, Wlad has one of the highest KO ratios in the history of boxing - and now the wigs have gotten each other into a gay feeding frenzy about how he's a "wimp" because he fought one tactical fight that he didn't win by KO.




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