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Looks like Wladimir Klitschko vs. the latest "Great Black Hope", David Haye, is on for June 20.
Klitschko vs. Haye
Klitschko vs. Haye
Wladimir Klitschko vs. David Haye
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whiteathlete33
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I thought he was supposed to fight Arreola first
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whiteathlete33 said:
He was going to fight Arreola when it seemed Vitali would fight Haye instead. Arreola is going to fight Jameel Mccline in April which is good because if he wins he'll have finally beaten a top 30 boxer.
http://boxing.about.com/cs/rankingschampions/a/bl_heavy.htm
has Mccline at 18.
Boxrec.com has Mccline at 37.
http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=8943&cat=boxer
whiteathlete33
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The Rahman fight was nothing more than a sparring session for Klitschko. Let's see how effective Vitali is in this fight. Only 2 more weeks. I can't wait.
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This fight looks off again. I think it's a case of Humpty Dumpty falling off the proverbial wall and all of Oscars men couldn't put the fight back together again. It looks like it will be Wlad the Impaler vs Freddy Kreuger in June at the Staples Center. Edited by: white is right
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At this point I don't even want to see this fight. Haye is a loser and doesn't deserve it.
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That stupid boxing4real show is back up on youtube. Guess who he's picking to win this match.
Listen to this crap http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmfPrTpZy3o
Listen to this crap http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmfPrTpZy3o
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The contracts due to be signed today.
[url]http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/boxing/article232 9429.ece[/url]
[url]http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/boxing/article232 9429.ece[/url]
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Where is his buddy? Did his buddy get forced to look for work by his state's welfare office? Or better yet did his buddy get a girlfriend? The other guy the way he chimed in made the videos....
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Well the war is on. Boxing has it's first heavyweight superfight since Lewis vs Tyson. Here is the ESPN wire story.....W. Klitschko, Haye agree on fight
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By Dan Rafael
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Negotiations were difficult, often acrimonious and left for dead more than once, but unified heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko and former cruiserweight champion David Haye of England finally came to terms Wednesday after months of negotiations.
"We have finally agreed on everything. The contracts will be signed in the morning. We have a fight," Klitschko manager Bernd Boente told ESPN.com from Germany on Wednesday.
Klitschko, widely regarded as the world's No. 1 heavyweight, and Haye will meet June 20 at a venue to be determined in Europe, although the bout most likely will take place in Germany, Boente said.
"We have four different offers in Germany, which we have reduced to one internally, and we have three other offers outside of Germany that are in Europe," Boente said.
Klitschko (52-3, 46 KOs), who has won 10 in a row and made six title defenses, including unifying two of the major belts, was pleased the fight was finally been made.
"I'm so happy that the fight is on. I was really concerned if David Haye will make the fight because only because of him, I took a break for half of the year," Klitschko told ESPN.com, adding that he would have fought in March or April but didn't because of how much he wanted to fight Haye, who wanted to fight in June.
Haye had been calling out Vitali Klitschko, Wladimir's older brother and a fellow heavyweight titleholder. But when Vitali could not face Haye because of an obligation to fight mandatory challenger Juan Carlos Gomez, Haye (22-1, 21 KOs) turned his attention -- and his cutting trash talk -- toward Wladimir.
"I am happy to have this fight. I have had a lot of opponents with big mouths, but I never had an opponent with such a big mouth like David Haye," Klitschko said. "I will be pleased to shut his big mouth with my big fist. None of the opponents I have had were as provocative as David Haye, so I am glad to shut his mouth by putting my fist in his mouth. There is no way this fight will go the whole distance. It's a signature fight for me and I am happy."
Boente and Adam Booth, who is Haye's trainer and also runs his promotional company, Hayemaker Promotions, had contentious discussions since talks began after Klitschko knocked out Hasim Rahman to retain his belts in December. At one point, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer, Haye's American promoter, was brought into the talks, but couldn't bring Boente and Booth together.
Boente credited Sean O'Hara, an executive with Setanta Sports, a subscription television station in Great Britain that is heavily involved in boxing and has a contract with Haye, with helping them make a deal.
"I have to say we had a fantastic mediator and that was Sean O'Hara," Boente said. "He really did a great job, a fantastic job. He was not biased for Haye or Adam Booth. He was very fair with both sides. Without him, we wouldn't have made this fight. It only got done because of Sean's help."
At first, the bout was slated to take place at Stamford Bridge, a 40,000-seat soccer stadium in suburban London. Booth's concerns over the risk of putting the fight on in such a big stadium in difficult economic times led him to back out of the stadium deal with Klitschko, leaving his camp to find a new venue. That angered Klitschko and Boente since the stadium was a major part of the revenue Haye brought to the table.
"June 20 in London, I was looking forward to it," Klitschko said. "It was my wish to fight in London, but they couldn't deliver it."
Once the sides agreed to look elsewhere, there were two other major issues standing in the way of the fight being made -- an agreement on how much of a cut of Haye's Setanta money Klitschko would receive and option language on Haye's future fights in the event he wins.
"All of those points are solved now," Boente said. He wouldn't go into the details on how the Setanta money would be split but said, "It's a great deal for David Haye. I think it's a very fair arrangement now."
Haye's only revenue on the fight, which will be millions, comes from Setanta's multi-million dollar rights fee. Klitschko will receive the agreed to portion of the Setanta money plus all the other revenue the fight generates, including rights fees from HBO, which will carry the fight live in the United States, RTL in Germany, the rest of the foreign television sales, the live gate and sponsorship money.
As for the options, Boente stood firm on the request for two options in the event that Haye, who is not a mandatory challenger, wins.
"In the end, they agreed to the two options," Boente said.
That means if Haye wins, Klitschko's company, K2 Promotions, will promote his next two fights. His first defense would either be against Klitschko in an immediate rematch or a fight with Vitali Klitschko. If Haye also wins that fight, his second defense would come against the other Klitschko.
Boente said he and Booth spoke Wednesday after the deal had been agreed to and put their bad feelings aside.
"He said, 'OK, we both played hardball and we both in the end found a nice compromise,'" Boente said. "Now, we will try to do our best job with the publicity and help promote the fights with our partners, HBO in the United States, Setanta in the U.K. and RTL in Germany. We are all very happy."
Boente said there would be news conference in the next week or so in London, New York and Germany, as well as the host country if the fight is not in Germany.
Haye claimed the recognized cruiserweight championship when he knocked out Jean-Marc Mormeck in the seventh round in November 2007. Then Haye unified three major belts with a second-round knockout of Enzo Maccarinelli in March 2008 before giving up his titles and jumping up to heavyweight, where he knocked out fringe contender Monte Barrett in the fifth round in November. That victory set the stage for the Klitschko.
Dan Rafael is the boxing writer for ESPN.com
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By Dan Rafael
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Negotiations were difficult, often acrimonious and left for dead more than once, but unified heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko and former cruiserweight champion David Haye of England finally came to terms Wednesday after months of negotiations.
"We have finally agreed on everything. The contracts will be signed in the morning. We have a fight," Klitschko manager Bernd Boente told ESPN.com from Germany on Wednesday.
Klitschko, widely regarded as the world's No. 1 heavyweight, and Haye will meet June 20 at a venue to be determined in Europe, although the bout most likely will take place in Germany, Boente said.
"We have four different offers in Germany, which we have reduced to one internally, and we have three other offers outside of Germany that are in Europe," Boente said.
Klitschko (52-3, 46 KOs), who has won 10 in a row and made six title defenses, including unifying two of the major belts, was pleased the fight was finally been made.
"I'm so happy that the fight is on. I was really concerned if David Haye will make the fight because only because of him, I took a break for half of the year," Klitschko told ESPN.com, adding that he would have fought in March or April but didn't because of how much he wanted to fight Haye, who wanted to fight in June.
Haye had been calling out Vitali Klitschko, Wladimir's older brother and a fellow heavyweight titleholder. But when Vitali could not face Haye because of an obligation to fight mandatory challenger Juan Carlos Gomez, Haye (22-1, 21 KOs) turned his attention -- and his cutting trash talk -- toward Wladimir.
"I am happy to have this fight. I have had a lot of opponents with big mouths, but I never had an opponent with such a big mouth like David Haye," Klitschko said. "I will be pleased to shut his big mouth with my big fist. None of the opponents I have had were as provocative as David Haye, so I am glad to shut his mouth by putting my fist in his mouth. There is no way this fight will go the whole distance. It's a signature fight for me and I am happy."
Boente and Adam Booth, who is Haye's trainer and also runs his promotional company, Hayemaker Promotions, had contentious discussions since talks began after Klitschko knocked out Hasim Rahman to retain his belts in December. At one point, Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer, Haye's American promoter, was brought into the talks, but couldn't bring Boente and Booth together.
Boente credited Sean O'Hara, an executive with Setanta Sports, a subscription television station in Great Britain that is heavily involved in boxing and has a contract with Haye, with helping them make a deal.
"I have to say we had a fantastic mediator and that was Sean O'Hara," Boente said. "He really did a great job, a fantastic job. He was not biased for Haye or Adam Booth. He was very fair with both sides. Without him, we wouldn't have made this fight. It only got done because of Sean's help."
At first, the bout was slated to take place at Stamford Bridge, a 40,000-seat soccer stadium in suburban London. Booth's concerns over the risk of putting the fight on in such a big stadium in difficult economic times led him to back out of the stadium deal with Klitschko, leaving his camp to find a new venue. That angered Klitschko and Boente since the stadium was a major part of the revenue Haye brought to the table.
"June 20 in London, I was looking forward to it," Klitschko said. "It was my wish to fight in London, but they couldn't deliver it."
Once the sides agreed to look elsewhere, there were two other major issues standing in the way of the fight being made -- an agreement on how much of a cut of Haye's Setanta money Klitschko would receive and option language on Haye's future fights in the event he wins.
"All of those points are solved now," Boente said. He wouldn't go into the details on how the Setanta money would be split but said, "It's a great deal for David Haye. I think it's a very fair arrangement now."
Haye's only revenue on the fight, which will be millions, comes from Setanta's multi-million dollar rights fee. Klitschko will receive the agreed to portion of the Setanta money plus all the other revenue the fight generates, including rights fees from HBO, which will carry the fight live in the United States, RTL in Germany, the rest of the foreign television sales, the live gate and sponsorship money.
As for the options, Boente stood firm on the request for two options in the event that Haye, who is not a mandatory challenger, wins.
"In the end, they agreed to the two options," Boente said.
That means if Haye wins, Klitschko's company, K2 Promotions, will promote his next two fights. His first defense would either be against Klitschko in an immediate rematch or a fight with Vitali Klitschko. If Haye also wins that fight, his second defense would come against the other Klitschko.
Boente said he and Booth spoke Wednesday after the deal had been agreed to and put their bad feelings aside.
"He said, 'OK, we both played hardball and we both in the end found a nice compromise,'" Boente said. "Now, we will try to do our best job with the publicity and help promote the fights with our partners, HBO in the United States, Setanta in the U.K. and RTL in Germany. We are all very happy."
Boente said there would be news conference in the next week or so in London, New York and Germany, as well as the host country if the fight is not in Germany.
Haye claimed the recognized cruiserweight championship when he knocked out Jean-Marc Mormeck in the seventh round in November 2007. Then Haye unified three major belts with a second-round knockout of Enzo Maccarinelli in March 2008 before giving up his titles and jumping up to heavyweight, where he knocked out fringe contender Monte Barrett in the fifth round in November. That victory set the stage for the Klitschko.
Dan Rafael is the boxing writer for ESPN.com
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The hypothetical "if Haye wins" in the contract is simply a waste of ink.
Wlad will crush Haye and then there will be a hard search for another black pretender to challenge the Klitschkos for their titles.
Wlad will crush Haye and then there will be a hard search for another black pretender to challenge the Klitschkos for their titles.
I don't understand the hype of this fight. What has Haye done to deserve it? It's so contrived, especially to think that a former cruiserweight could take down a very big experienced, multi-champion heavy. Race aside the fight appears to be a loser.
the fact that they want David Haye to be a champion so badly because of his skin. He was on the cover of The Ring magazine.
Thats a brutal contract clause. He has to beat Wladimir twice and then IF he wins both he has to fight Vitali.
I think that is just a promotion tactic, to make it look like Wladimir's side is scared of losing.
Thats a brutal contract clause. He has to beat Wladimir twice and then IF he wins both he has to fight Vitali.
I think that is just a promotion tactic, to make it look like Wladimir's side is scared of losing.
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"I don't understand the hype of this fight. What has Haye done to deserve it? It's so contrived, especially to think that a former cruiserweight could take down a very big experienced, multi-champion heavy. Race aside the fight appears to be a loser."
Exactly. Even super-retreads like James Toney, Jameel McCline, Shannon Briggs, Chris Byrd, Lance Wittaker, and even Sam Peter deserve a shot at Wlad over Haye. At least they all paid their dues. Not to mention all of the Euro heavyweights.
I remember the Peter-Wlad fight...it could have gone either way. Peter's rabbit punching aside, Wlad was taken to the brink that night.
If you recall, about four years ago, David Haye fought then 40-year old Carl Thompson....and Haye's corner "threw in the towel" after he took some serious punches.
Haye was also dropped in the 4th round of his fight with super-bum, Monte Barrett (who Wlad literally decimated).
Make no mistake, should Haye somehow win this "superfight," he will be proclaimed the almighty king of planet earth. I will be nice to watch him bleed.
Exactly. Even super-retreads like James Toney, Jameel McCline, Shannon Briggs, Chris Byrd, Lance Wittaker, and even Sam Peter deserve a shot at Wlad over Haye. At least they all paid their dues. Not to mention all of the Euro heavyweights.
I remember the Peter-Wlad fight...it could have gone either way. Peter's rabbit punching aside, Wlad was taken to the brink that night.
If you recall, about four years ago, David Haye fought then 40-year old Carl Thompson....and Haye's corner "threw in the towel" after he took some serious punches.
Haye was also dropped in the 4th round of his fight with super-bum, Monte Barrett (who Wlad literally decimated).
Make no mistake, should Haye somehow win this "superfight," he will be proclaimed the almighty king of planet earth. I will be nice to watch him bleed.
This is a no lose for the powers that be. I bet the build up will be angled to make Haye look brave,and confident for even fighting the Champ. So many will be rooting for Haye
.. I honestly dont see any reason,other than race, why anybody would root for this bladder full of hot air, over Dr.Klitschko! It wont be too far into the fight, and the TV voices will start giving us fans the usual excuses for why Wlad is thrashing the Dark Hope. The longer it goes, the more stupid they will sound as they try to discredit Wlad, in a trance like attempt to convince us that what we are seeing is not real.
Man, I sure do hope Wlad KOs him. We all know the caste worshipers will say Haye was robbed if it goes to the cards.
I dont know how to feel about such craziness!
Man, I sure do hope Wlad KOs him. We all know the caste worshipers will say Haye was robbed if it goes to the cards.
I am so happy Haye agreed to this fight. What an idiot, he doesn't have a chance in hell. If Wladimir Klitschko said this: "I am happy to have this fight. I have had a lot of opponents with big mouths, but I never had an opponent with such a big mouth like David Haye," Klitschko said. "I will be pleased to shut his big mouth with my big fist. None of the opponents I have had were as provocative as David Haye, so I am glad to shut his mouth by putting my fist in his mouth. There is no way this fight will go the whole distance. It's a signature fight for me and I am happy." And still Haye wants to fight him? Hahahahahahahahahaha... I can't wait!
whiteathlete33
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Valuev even destroyed Barrett. Haye is a moron and will lose.
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A simple test for Haye-worshippers:
Bet a thousand dollars on Haye winning by K.O.
Or, bet five hundred dollars that Haye will go the distance and win a decision.
Or, the simplest test of all:
ACTUALLY bet on Haye with the bookie, instead of just pretending to like Haye, when they're really putting money on Wlad.
Hey, or even simpler: stop being racist, and just accept the fact that a white European man is the baddest man on the planet, and Mike Tyson drives a Nissan Sentra.
Bet a thousand dollars on Haye winning by K.O.
Or, bet five hundred dollars that Haye will go the distance and win a decision.
Or, the simplest test of all:
ACTUALLY bet on Haye with the bookie, instead of just pretending to like Haye, when they're really putting money on Wlad.
Hey, or even simpler: stop being racist, and just accept the fact that a white European man is the baddest man on the planet, and Mike Tyson drives a Nissan Sentra.
whiteathlete33
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j41181 said:Once this is a done deal, those caste loving idiots will have little excuse to criticize, Dr. Steelhammer. He is the best heavyweight in the world, and one the best All-time. They'll see lots of him for several years to come.
No the best heavyweight in the world is somewhere in the NBA or NFL. Never mind the fact that there are several hundred professional black heavyweights. I thought they were all gone. What idiots people really are.Edited by: whiteathlete33
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There's another hateful article about Wladimir on ESB today:
David Haye: he actually can save boxing
The article talks about what a wonderful personality Haye has. It praises the former black heavyweights, like Louis, Ali and Tyson, and says Wlad does not have the personality or fighting style young people can relate to.
So right, Tyson saying he wanted to eat Lewis children was good for kids? Did Tyson's drug abuse and raping Miss Black America set a good example? Did Ali's childlike bragging? What about Louis abusing drugs and alcohol, beating his wife and ending up in a mental hospital? Did that set a good example for kids?
Finally we have a champion who's a decent man of strong character and sets a good example for children inside and outside the ring, namely Wladimir Klitschko, and these writers are uncomfortable with it. They must want to see kids corrupted - otherwise the media would praise a fighter like Wlad who is everything a champion should be.Edited by: JD1986
David Haye: he actually can save boxing
The article talks about what a wonderful personality Haye has. It praises the former black heavyweights, like Louis, Ali and Tyson, and says Wlad does not have the personality or fighting style young people can relate to.
So right, Tyson saying he wanted to eat Lewis children was good for kids? Did Tyson's drug abuse and raping Miss Black America set a good example? Did Ali's childlike bragging? What about Louis abusing drugs and alcohol, beating his wife and ending up in a mental hospital? Did that set a good example for kids?
Finally we have a champion who's a decent man of strong character and sets a good example for children inside and outside the ring, namely Wladimir Klitschko, and these writers are uncomfortable with it. They must want to see kids corrupted - otherwise the media would praise a fighter like Wlad who is everything a champion should be.Edited by: JD1986
The entire article has no evidence to back it up. It states that Haye can connect better with a youth audience. That doesn't make any sense at all. Klitschko is the first boxer with ay character at all, and just about eerybody I know buys that ESPN BS about how he has no competition. There are just as many black people boxing now as ever, and Wlad eats them up for breakfast. This article is the prelude to the post loss sentiment of Haye supporters who will say boxing is disgraced; only because a white man is the best at it.