Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye July 2011

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  1. space hillbilly

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    Haye really wasn't impressive as a curiserweight either Parody!
    He came along when they moved curiser from 190lb up to 200lb. Any young talent that was in the CW division before moved up to heavyweight for the bigger money. And Haye just moped up the old guard that had been making 190lb for years. Also he ducked the best east european curiserweights like Adamek, Wlodarczyk, Vadim Tokarev, Huck, even good black fighters like cunningham and Dawson. So Haye has never been impressive too he....Edited by: lost
     
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    And the little nod of the Haye head, which his buddy Harrison appeared to acknowledge before falling down.


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    <h3>Toronto Sun</h3><h3>Haye-Harrison fight a boxing travesty</h3>
    "So wretched was the contest the Puerto Rican referee was obliged to
    remind Haye and Harrison that one of their contractual obligations was
    to throw at least one punch. The "fight"Â￾ ended in the third round when
    Haye launched his first serious attack and Harrison subsided into a
    response that would have been more appropriate from a nervous kitten.



    The controversy didn't end there. Haye, who had assiduously avoided a
    fight which might have given a scrap of credence to his ascent to a
    title once owned by the likes of Muhammad Ali and Joe Louis â€" one
    against either of the Klitschko brothers from the Ukraine who hold the
    other versions of the belt â€" promptly announced that he had planned on a
    third round victory for the benefit of himself and his friends and
    family while doing business with the bookmakers.



    When he was reminded that this was in open defiance of the
    regulations of the British Boxing Board of Control he promptly
    retracted, said the coup hadn't happened, he was talking only in a
    general sense. The board accepted Haye's new version of events and also
    said it would be too harsh to withdraw Harrison's $2 million-plus purse
    despite the fact the 39-year-old had failed to throw no more than one
    irresolute jab.

    Haye, a cruiserweight of some talent but with a worryingly fragile
    chin, can call himself a heavyweight champion only on credentials which
    could hardly be phonier..."


    http://www.torontosun.com/sports/othersports/2010/11/20/16239036.htmlEdited by: ww
     
  4. space hillbilly

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    Muhammad Ali's old trainer Angelo Dundee is now giving David Haye little "Hints" on how he may upset Waldimir, proving that Dundee (Who in reality is jewish) will support a foreign negro over a foreign caucasian. Or maybe he just shot his mouth off so much about how the smaller/faster (Black!) heavyweights of the 70'swere farsuperiortothe big/slow (White!) heavyweights today and is now looking to save face...

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=27813&amp;more=1Edited by: lost
     
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    I think that Valuev and his handlers were told that if he couldn't KO Haye, Haye would get the decision. The boxing mob figured they could make a lot more money off the flamboyant Englishman by way of the Congo than they could off the staid and plodding Valuev, and they were right about that. Valuev's novelty as a giant had worn thin, and look at all the hype over the coming mismatch between Wlad and Haye. Besides that, Valuev was not at all healthy for that fight. He hasn't been able to fight since, and he has to undergo several operations, probably for complications related to his gigantism.
     
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    So Wladimir is a bum and if David Haye beats him he's an all-time great. That sure makes a lot of sense. Yes, David Haye, the fool who beat a 2nd tier heavyweight in Monte Barrett, lost to Valuev but still won on the judges scorecards, was getting picked apart by an old Ruiz, and had a fixed fight with Audley Harrison. After reading that article it seems that old man Dundee has some special affection for the mulatto prick. [​IMG]
     
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    I have long believed that the media worked through the "Carrot and the Stick", that is, if the media gets what they want from people, busnesses or organizations theyget the carrot, but if not, they will get thestick.
    I believe Dundee was just giving Haye a little "Taste" of what the media will bestow on him if he can beat Waldimir and rid boxing (for them) of the "Horror" that is the Klitschkos....
     
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    You guys know he was at his old gym that he and his older brother Chris owned. What was he going to say this guy is chinny and hasn't proven anything at heavyweight. Or even his run at cruiserweight was more mercurial than anything else. Dundee at this point is more of a marketing symbol for the fight. After he parted ways with Leonard he never had one significant fighter. I recall him talking up Derrick Williams before he fought Lennox Lewis. Williams was abysmal and Lewis thrashed for about 5 rounds.
     
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    Dundee should have been banned from boxing for "fixing" Clay's gloves in
    the first Henry Cooper fight. And, by the way, why haven't the record
    books been corrected to show that Cooper rightfully won that first fight
    with Clay by TKO?
     
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    Dundee can't be taken seriously and here is why. He said Roman Greenberg is the fastest heavyweight prospect since Ali. Greenberg lost almost 3 years ago to Cedric Boswell and hasn't fought since.
     
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    Can you just imagine if the Klitschkos were jewish of black?
    They would beheiled as thegreatest fighters in history in any weight division.
    Dundee is calling Haye a top 15 ATG, and for what? Haye made only one defense of his WBA/WBO cruiserweight title's before moving up to heavyweight.

    And he's had but four fights (All of them jokes) at heavyweight.
     
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    Dundee is a mere puppet to the dollar strings here. It is the job of boxing writers to call him on his propostrous BS regard Gaye as a ATG if he beats WLAD, a fighter Dundee as stated as nothing special.

    Hell, Dundee would say Sugar Ray Leonard would have a chance against Sergio Martinez if that fight was made.LOL. Dundee is just pushing crap because he now getting paid by Gaye. No surprise here.

    lost, did you read somewhere that Dundee is really jewish? Please advise.
     
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    As far as I know, Dundee isn't Jewish. I know how if they were black they'd be labeled "Baddest Men on the Planet" but instead they are "mediocre" fighters feasting on a weak division.

    In my honest opinion, Sultan Ibragimov is the best fighter Wladimir has ever faced. Ibragimov can give any fighter fits because he's a southpaw and very quick. Wladimir handled him fairly easily but Wladimir may have lost to him five years ago. Wladimir today is the complete package of size, speed, athleticism, technique, and brains.
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    As I remember (It's been years ago) reading that "Dundee" was not their real names. He was borned Angelo Mirena, and Mirena is not Italian, but Slavic, Croat/Serb in origin. From the slavic word "Mir" meaning "Peace" or "Peaceful". And it was common for jewsto change names in the 30's and 40's to less jewish sounding ones, but not so for other ethnic groups...
     
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    Dundee is suffering fromsenile dementia and has been for a long tme. InDec 04 he called Vitali, Danny Williams fight to close to call.
     
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    Haye might not even show up, and if he does I'm expecting some bizarre
    chicanery from him and his handlers - quitting on his stool and claiming
    Wlad is cheating or something.



    Because Haye has no legitimate chance of winning, assuming the fight
    isn't fixed (as was Valuev and Harrison), and I'd hope that the
    Klitschkos are above that. The whole thing is hype to put asses in the
    sets, and if you look at all the overexcited nitwits posting on ESB and the
    other boxing forums you can see how well it's working. The boxing mobsters
    will be raking in the sheckels and laughing all the way to the bank.
     
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    Haye is already a winner but in a different sense. Regardless if he ever gets in the ring with Wladimir, he has been making money off their names for a while now. Do you think Haye would be known at heavyweight if he didn't start all that crap with the t-shirts and severed heads? Of course not. The whole thing has been nothing more than a circus to get Haye two things every negro desperately wants, money and attention. He's getting both and he's also doing what negroes do best, run their mouths.

    Then you have clowns like Dana White and Angelo Dundee supporting the buffoon because that's the way the media likes it. Give Valuev back his belt and strip this piece of s-it paper champion of his phony belt.
     
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    I think even a prime Tommy Morrison would have taken Haye out.

    Against Gerry Cooney, they'd take Haye to the morgue.
     
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    Good post Whiteathlete. What is killing me is why are the Klitschkos only fighting negro?
    Sonowski, Ibragmovand Chagev are the only white fighters that the borthers have defended their titles against in many years. But most of the best fighters today are white.[​IMG]
     
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    Haye is just one punch away from "ICU" against any heavyweight..
     
  22. Charles Martel

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    Yes.

    Somehow age 40 Ray Austin is back in another WBC eliminator.[​IMG]

    He'll be fighting age 32 Bermane Stiverne, a Haitian who was KOed by a boxer who has 20 losses, Demetrius King, and who has a draw with a 40 year old boxers who had lost NINE straight at the time.[​IMG]

    And guess what? According to Dan Rafael, the fight will be televised on regular HBO.[​IMG]
     
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    Let's also remember, Chagaev was a replacement for Haye who backed out. Also, Vitali gave Sosnowski an opportunity. Sosnowski would never have gotten a fight wtih Vitali otherwise. As far as Ibragimov, that fight only happened because Sultan had a belt at the time.
     
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    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/681833-wladimir-and-vitali-klitschko-the-last-of-the-great-heavyweights

    Another intriguing, but clearly misguided Bleacher Report article about the state of today's Heavyweight division.

    So, Heavyweights of the past (60's, 70's, 80's, 90's) were better trained and conditioned than today? How ironic when many of those boxers (especially from the 70's) are suffering various health problems today.

    Boxers in those days were also SMALLER compared to now, and this "obesity issue" for today's heavyweights is largely based on blacks like Solis, Peter, Rahman, Barrett, Williams, etc...

    NONE of the White European Heavyweights are obese at all (except Tyson Fury). In fact, they're all VERY WELL trained, fit, and 2-3 times bigger in size (240+ lbs) and height (6'3+) than those "great" 70's heavyweights.

    The HW division's main problem is simply that the Jewish controlled media is PURPOSELY ignoring and underrating the White European Heavyweights (which there are so MANY), unfairly giving opportunities to these OVERRATED blacks (like Haye) and spreading propaganda LIES to the public on how shallow the division is right now. Right, it's only shallow because the top dogs are WHITE.

    Someone once said to the Klitschkos that there is a RECESSION in the HW division. They're response... I hope the recession lasts a LONG TIME! [​IMG]
     
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    At least the article acknowledges the Klitschkos are great heavyweights.
     

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